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Assuming we take our QB @1.
If Bradley Chubb is off the board, then by all means, I would be looking to field calls on trading back, but still try to stay within the top 9 picks if possible.
With FS Derwin James as my target and a top 10 talent in this years draft class.

I would not take Saquon Barkley @4. He has all of the physical skill sets, but his tape shows that he is mentally immature at the position and will often times not stay on schedule by not taking what the defense gives him, which is an indication of thinking in the moment, rather then the concept of the design play. I know some will think that I might be nit picking, but those mistakes he has on tape, will not be so easy to mask on Sunday's.

The talent at RB this year offers some good options later on.
I don't see a rookie RB taking 3rd down reps from Duke either.

Don't sleep on Nick Chubb.

In conclusion my first choice would be to take Bradley Chubb @4, but the only other player I might consider there would be Nelson and thats really off script for our needs.

"mentally immature" - brilliant.

In layman's terms...he has a low positional IQ. He does not press the crease before bounching out side. He is not adept at reading the blocks of his OL in respect to defensive positioning. His pass protection set is too wide and outside and he leads with shoulders and head down, before useing his hands.

In short he has the same tool box to work with as did some of the names being associated with him, just a few less tools to begin the job with.

It's quite simple my friend. The horse that is often the favorite doesn't win the Kentucky Derby. I'm not convinced in the value of Barkley at #4 given such a heavily laden RB draft class.

That along with the fact that it seems Dorsey did a fantastic job of finding more productive RB talent later in the draft. This isn't the QB position.

If you actually think he's the next Zeke or AP you may have a point. Sorry, but I'm just not seeing that. My take is a lot closer to Fl Dawg than most on this board.

I'm going to skip the 4 pages and go with HELL to the NO! The Browns NEED QUALITY players. I think we can all agree that there WILL be quality available at #4. Stop screwing around and trying to outsmart everyone (because that has worked SO well in the past). Take the stud at #4 and don't look back. Period.

That's the fun in all of this. We all have differing opinions and only the future will tell how it works out.

The thing with Quan .. he breaks everything outside cause he is simply a better athelete and faster than everyone else ... he wasn’t forced to learn how to run inside and all that goes with it cause he NEVER HAD TO DEVELOP THAT SKILL ...

I am 100% on board with Fla. .. said it since the beginning .. its went over well so far ... ...

Who knows if he can or will develop that skill ... i have NO CLUE ... what i do know .. is hes not going to outrun everyone in the nfl ... NOT A SHOT IN HELL ...

I think whoever drafts him will be dissapointed ... but i been wrong before and more than likely will be again ...

I think it's more complicated than that. Diam and Fl. gave great information as to why I feel the selection of Barkley should be questioned. I also believe there are other storng considerations for the number 4 pick.

I believe a case could be made for both Fitz and Ward at #4. Much the same as you do Ward. Now I'm not saying that either of those two will be our selections. But what I am saying is I just don't think that it's the slam dunk of Bark or Chubb some people make it out to be.

The only people we are really hearing from are supposed draft gurus and media types. I don't put as much faith in that as some do.

For a good contrast to Barkley, take a look at the tape of both Georgia RBs' Sony and Chubb.
Both have high position IQs'.

Either would make for a great RB by committee for this team without giving up a #4 selection.

The media will have their darlings, year in and year out.

Why would we go Ward over Minkah Fitzpatrick?

With the signings of Currie and Gaines, I don't think drafting a CB is that much more valuable to us than a FS/Situational Corner (which is what I think Minkah is).

And I think Minkah is a better player.

As I see it, there's three top players that aren't QBs. Three guys who have elite level talent. 1) Saquon Barkley . 2) Bradley Chubb . 3) Minkah Fitzpatrick.

I hope we draft one of those 3 at 4. Denzel Ward looks pretty good, but I just don't think he's at those guy's level. I'm looking for elite

I’m not sure what u think we got in Currie or Gaines ... but we can definetly use 1 if not 2 starting caliber cb’s ...

I’d much rather have WARD THAN CHUBB for that reason alone ... i still have no clue why folks want to draft someone that would amount to a situational player with us ...

Just like at QB ... we’ve IMPROVED by leaps and bounds but were still not there yet ... same thing at CB ...

I've seen a bit of video on him. He's definitely not afraid to hit, which I like. In that sense it reminds me of Joe Haden (who I really wanted for the Browns at 7).

If we were picking around 7, i'd be all for it. But this is the first non-qb we'd be taking.


I just think there are better players. Minkah Fitzpatrick I noticed before ever even hearing of him. He's a three year starter at Alabama. I don't think I like him as much as I liked Jamal Adams (another player who I keyed in on before reading about in draft anything), but he's still very good.

Minkah would be an awesome compliment to Jabril Peppers. He can cover TE's, cover the slot, be a stud in the red zone, and can play the deep zone need of FS's


I'm not sure why his name has sort of dropped a little lately. Minkah is a really good player. Nothing changed there. He ran the same 40 speed as Joe Haden about, so, it's not like he's slow or anything. He's a good athlete and a very good football player.

I get a good feeling about Minkah the same way I did about Joe Haden. Guys I've seen for multiple years stand out in the SEC. They just impress me

Another factor with Minkah - he's had mad props from Nick Saban ... has a s.m.a.r.t football mind. I'd love him at 4. I think more so than Chubb or Barclay - but I'd take any one of them.

https://www.seccountry.com/alabama/minka...ick-saban-smile

https://www.seccountry.com/alabama/nick-saban-alabama-football-minkah-fitzpatrick

Yup, I want one of them.

I want an elite player. Those three have the best chance of being elite.

Minkah could be a mix of Jalen Ramsey and Earl Thomas. Bradley Chubb would be a crazy tandem on the opposite side of Garrett, with Ogbah subbing in and out (although Ogbah might have to play LDE. Seems to be his spot. But it could be made to work)

And Saquon Barkley looks like a blue chip RB prospect. All-around great player. He's like a bigger stronger Marshall Faulk

From what I see the second tier goes to past 12 players, but the two linebackers wouldn’t have as much impact.

If you knew what they look for in grading a RB, then you might be singing a different tune.

Your opinion is based off of fan emotions, not actual scouting.

I’m in the boat to take Chubb at four if he’s there, he is IMO the best defensive player in this draft, I’m with FL_Dawg on Barkley, he’s got gifts any RB would want but the decision making concerns me, and you can get similar production later in the draft, plus Dorsey likes a “running back by vomited” approach, I’m also not nearly as high on Fitz as most are, I get that he’s smart and versatile, I just don’t see special there, something seems to be missing when I watch his tape, can’t really place my finger on it. But my choice at 4, assuming we stay, is a no-brained to me Chubb.

I agree, and conventional wisdom says; you don't pass on pass rushers in the Draft.

Agree with your opinions. We can get a good RB later on but not as good a pass rusher as Chubb. JMO

To me, I always try to break it down to production, what production will you get with the high draft pick vs. what you get with a second, third, or even fourth rounder. How does each draft balance out as far as what positions are deep and which ones are thin.

When Drafting a RB high in the Draft; you look for a player who can stay on the field on third down and thats when pass protection comes into view. It is less of a factor after the first round.

I agree, it just a question, how does that factor into the “running back by vomited” approach Dorsey has said he likes? I see them wanting to have Duke on the field on third downs in some capacity.

Absolutely, Duke fills that role, so another RB might not be projected, but for the early downs. This Draft has a number of prospects that can fill that role for us after the first round.

Another thing I've pointed out before. Dorsey found Kareem Hunt at pick #76 in round three who outperformed Fournette by a long shot. With that type of success, why would he suddenly be convinced to invest high on a RB?

Hunt averaged 4.9 yards per carry for over 1,300 yards and 8td's. He added three more TD's and over 400 yards as a WR. Well over 1,700 total yards of offense.

I know we're looking a for a bigger type back and Hunt doesn't fill such a role, but if you had that kind of success finding a RB later in the draft, I find it hard to believe he would just go in the opposite direction at the position.

I was pretty high on Hunt before that Draft, so I wasn't one of them that was surprised by his success.

I agree that it is a good sign for us going forward.

I find it odd that so many X football players, become analyst and fall for the same media darlings, year in and year out.

Many claim that we would be stupid to pass on Barkley @1.

Call me stupid

Didn’t Dorsey also fine knile davis and that othe rrb kc has?

Really? ... Nick Saban allowing him to be the FIRST and ONLY player to watch film with the coaches on Sunday

AND

His teammates saying Saban PRAISES NO ONE EVER in front of the team .... again NICK SABANS BLESSING ...

That shouldn’t count cause none of the draft experts are talking about it ... ...

WOW ....

Based on the results of FA.

Barkley
Chubb
Ward
Fitzpatrick

Before FA Ward and Fitzpatrick would have been flipped.

That would probably mean that one of them would be there at 8. Anything more would be really risky.

Jamal Adams plays safety. He went four last yer

BPA. I think Ward is a better player at a more important position. And i have Derwin rated higher then Ward.

Talk about making stuff up (I know it was a mistake)

But that High IQ statement was to FL Dawg who was stating compared to Barkley, Georgia RBs have a HI RB IQ.

Where do you get Fitzpatrick out of that I don't know but if it makes you feel smarter. Go right ahead.