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I don't think that even if Hogan could be on the practice squad, that he'd make it there.

After the draft, I expect us to let him go too

Hogan may end up a camp arm ... he has no trade value ... i’ll be shocked if Kessler does ...

I'd rather just get an UDFA we can put on the Practice Squad at the end

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...estic-violence/

Seahawks backup QB accused of domestic violence got cut. Maybe John could swindle a late round pick and ship Cody their way? Haha, I doubt it.

*EDIT* since we tried to trade Smith there for a 7th round conditional, Kessler might be our golden ticket to that pick from Seattle haahahahahahahah.

It wouldn't surprise me to see Belichick offer a late round pick for him.

For Kessler? The Patriots still have Brian Hoyer and will probably be drafting a QB.

He may not want to draft anyone this year. I had read something about him liking Kessler in the draft.

Maybe he doesn't, but it was just a thought.

MAYBE we get a conditional 7th. He has started games and is still 24.

Mr. Irrelevant is more relevant than Kessler.

j/c:

I remember last year when a ton of posters told me how dumb I was for saying that Kessler wasn't the answer. Many of those same guys said Jimmy G was nothing but a backup. Now, they are saying that Taylor is going to light it up and lead us to the playoffs and get mad if I try to caution them.

I could even bring up Weeden, BQ, Colt, and Timid.

Some things never change. Lot's of experts on here.

j/c

Rob Gronkowski's reluctance to commit to returning for the 2018 season 'could prompt Patriots coach Bill Belichick to trade his star tight end'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...m.html#comments

P.S. No way they would get rid of him.... right?

They traded Jimmy Garoppolo for a second round pick.

It's NE, they find ways to make it work. It'd be a big loss though.

I don't know where this is going, but I don't want him.

He seems to be at the point where his options are starting to interfere with being a football player.....or maybe I should say being a football player is starting to interfere with his other options.

jc

I'd take him before I'd ever take OBJ. Having other options off the field is nothing compared to being a flat out distraction and "me, me, me" player.

Let's be honest - he's one of the most dominant players in the NFL. When your primary concern in game planning is to stop a TE on a team that has Tom Brady, well, nuff said.

I agree completely with this. OBJ, is a distraction, and I think he revels in it. Gronk is a HOF type player, my only concern is he gets hurt a lot it seems. But when he is on the field, he is practically unstoppable.

Imagine Gordon, Landry, Gronk, Njoku, and Duke all on the field at once. WOW

Because OBJ is stoppable? He has 4424 yards in 47 games, Gronk has 7179 yards in 102 games. Beckham averages 24 more yard per game than Gronk.

Not only that, but if Gronk wasn't on the Patriots what we call his off the field antics? Dude is drunk all the time and literally has a party bus.

I don't want OBJ.

Its not because of his skills. He has skills. Obviously.

It's because he is a diva on field. And off.

A distraction we don't need.

Gronk on the other hand. He had skills and delivers.

His off field crap is off field.

It's still a distraction.

So basically is between and onfield distraction (OBJ) and an off field distraction (Gronk)

Or none of those dudes at all.

I don't know if they are worth it.

Gronk also has twice as many touchdowns as OBJ, so there is that.

He is also the best blocking TE in football.

He parties after the season - who cares what he does then.

I'm happy with Njoku, beast in training.

Gronk averages .75 TDs per game. OBJ averages .81 TDs per game. OBJ shows up for the games and plays hard, that's literally all that matters.

OBJ’s not worth 2 first rounders. Not to me anyway.

Party bus in the off-season or Party Boat the week of a playoff game? OBJ recruited teammates to Miami for a ride on "Sun and Done" (as later named by the media) after they all played like garbage in a playoff game halfway across the country. Tabloid headlines all week, followed by a big 28yd performance. At least we didn't have to watch him rip his helmet off on the field and go celebrate by proposing to a kickers net, cuz he certainly didn't get near the endzone.

Just documented blowing coke with a prostitute in a hotel and we're worried about Gronk getting drunk? C'mon man!

I don't disagree.

Beckum is along the lines of Andre Rison.

Two ones is robbery. And a bad deal. Right up there with Ocho Stinko-class nonsense.

Might be a price where he is worth it, but this is highway robbery. Pass still.

That's one of the problems with elite players - and there is no denying OBJ is an elite player - the price tag. In a sense, it can be compared to Saquan Barkley. He will get over-drafted because he appears to be head and shoulders above the rest. How much better is he than Michel or Guise? Probably not enough to talk about him being drafted #1 overall when the others are considered to be second round picks.

An OBJ trade will result in the Giants being over-compensated. He will then be over-paid. Why? Because he is the only one to compare himself with. That's fine, just not for the Browns.

You ante up for a player like OBJ when you are one "piece" away. I'm not talking just playoffs - I'm talking Superbowl contention.

Is Billy dismantling the team?

re: rumored Gronk on the trade block

I hope he decided to make the NFL challenging this year by doing a rebuild

May be more about acquiring value while he's under contract instead of walking away & deciding to hang up the cleats.

Perhaps. The question then becomes as to who will be around to rebuild it once BB retires? Josh McDaniels, I would expect...

Just a comparable as far as the opinion that he is so much better than the rest of the field... just like OBJ. Everyone in the NFL (and fans) have sworn off 1st round RBs for over 5 years - yet here we are, because of the supreme talent.

All I'm saying is that leads to players being over-bid, over-paid or over-drafted. There's a time and a place, to me it's when you are a solid team that is a piece or two away. That said, if another team is not offering the sun, moon and stars for Saquan - go ahead and take him if you think the talent is that much higher than all other players available. With Saquan we're talking about 1 pick, Giants are asking for two with OBJ.

It's tough... I would love to have Barkley but I think there is comparable talent at RB available later. I love Chubb - is there any comparable talent later if I pass on him for Barkley? I think those are the questions when your drafting. Is there Fitzpatrick caliber talent later? How do you quantify your needs at these three positions in the overall scheme of things?

I agree with the theory that the four most essential positions in pro football are a franchise QB, a dominant LT, a pass rushing DE, and a shutdown CB (maybe not in that order, but with QB first).

I think that we take Chubb at 4, if he is there. If he is not, I think we trade back a few spots.

My thinking as well except we might be able to drop 1 spot and still get Chubb. We are going to get offers for #4, which might force Denvers hand to move up 1 slot.

Genuine question - is Barkley that much better than say Guice? If he's there at #4 then he's a consideration but I see later round backs becoming viable starting, threat backs. I think you need to weigh price versus value. Guice, Chubb, Michel, even Scarborough later on. Versus taking Chubb the DE, trading down and taking Ward / Fitz / Ridley / Guice. Running backs make a difference and in our division we need a good one, a hitter, to partner Duke. Adrian Peterson didn't help the Vikings make the post-season once IIRC. I'm all for value at 4. Running back, in this draft, isn't that IMHO. Is Barkley better than Peterson?

Against stacked boxes and running between the tackles, I'd rather have Guice.

With the trades and FA pick ups, I think Dorsey has done a great job solidifying the roster so that we don't "have to take" a particular position.

Guys that I would be happy drafting with our 2nd pick are (in no particular order):

Barkley
Chubb
Ward
Roquan Smith

If qb's go 1, 2, 3 and the assumption is that whoever is trading up is trading up to take a QB ahead of the Broncos that leaves me with pick #8 being as low as I would be willing to trade down.

What I would do is tell teams like Buffalo, Arizona and Miami that if they want the #4 pick they should trade up with Indy or TB. Then once they do that to call us. Here is what it will take to move from 6 to 4 and what it would take to move from 7 to 4 ...

No Fitz?

I was high on Fitz at 4 for a while, but we aren't taking him now. He's out of the mix.