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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/04/01/bro...nto-agenda.html

More signs that last weeks march was just organized propaganda

One solution do as the airports and sporting events do. when is the time a shooting at one of those places?

No new gun control needed just fix the ones in place.

January 6, 2017.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Lauderdale_airport_shooting

So 1 since 2001?

No outrage no march on Washington?

You only asked about the most recent.

July 4, 2002, LAX

December 7, 2005 Miami International

April 27, 2006 Cleveland Hopkins

May 22, 2013 Houston Bush Intercontinental

November 1, 2013 LAX

November 15, 2016 Oklahoma City Rogers

links please

Is the baggage area a secured or unsecured area? o they need to go through security to get there?

Wow. You have a naive mind.


For the most part, it is simpleton kids shooting students. It's not adults walking in there killing kids.


I fight to preserve my rights. I don't give a damn if you want to give away yours, but don't you dare try to give mine away.

Understand?

First two were before security.

Cleveland was outside the airport..



Oklahoma City inside parking garage

So if a kid lit up a group of students in the parking lot of a school, would that not qualify as a school shooting?

You missed the point and are trying to twist the nature of it.

If the parking lot is outside the secure zone then the solution didn't fail.

I guess if the warped person wanted to they could lob grenades or be on the roof of a building a 1/2 mile away or drive a truck bomb into the school.

I offer possible starting solutions you offer nothing. We are done.

Cherry pick my response to concentiently ignore why we are concerned with the form of criticism and then repeat your false assertion. You don't want to have a conversation, you just want to read your own type.

Ad hominem on kids is gross dude. It says alot if the best you can bring to the conversation is to make fun of victims of a school shooting.

Consider your life choices that led you to think this was a good post.

I answered your question with facts and only facts, provided you links when you asked for them, and then asked you a simple question.

I'm not even a proponent of weapons bans. But it's quite obvious that our country has a problem with mentally ill people obtaining them. I don't think restricting them from people with mental illnesses, substance abuse or histories of violence is infringing on anyone's rights. Nor do I think toughening gun show purchase laws is, either. Felons can't purchase firearms, and I don't see a big debate about that.

The biggest hurdle to reasonable gun debate is the false dilemma that the only two solutions are:

- make no changes to existing law
- ban all guns for everyone

Will criminals follow new laws? Do they follow existing laws?

Would criminals be happier with unarmed citizens or armed citizens?

WTF has criminals following laws got to do with making good laws?? By your rationale since people continue to buy cocaine and other drugs, we shouldn't bother having a law making cocaine illegal. Yeah. Hats off to you. Hard to argue with your logic.

The drug lords got pot legal. You think they won't be working on those next? It will all be in the name of the freedom to do anything you want to yourself.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/7949342/Cocaine-should-be-legal-says-top-doctor.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post...m=.da9d62af125f

https://qz.com/91642/the-economic-case-for-the-us-to-legalize-all-drugs/

I can't make this stuff up. People just can't help themselves from messing up their lives and their children's future.

Well that's a whole different discussion. In a cursory look at the article some pretty clever people argue that the total outlawing of drugs is more harmful to the populations health and increases criminal activity compared to decriminalization of cocaine. I doubt I agree on the face of it... But that's a different argument.

Vambo basically said that if criminals don't abide by the law there is no point in having the law. That's just faulty logic.

Do they follow the laws past or present? Laws only work if people follow them or they can be enforced.

What laws can you pass that will take guns or drugs out of criminal hand?

Remember prohibition?

That's a lie, I said the criminals don't follow the laws we have in place so why would they follow new laws. You try to twist things. What needs to be done is enforcing the laws we have but the resources to stop the criminals isn't there. Look at all the red flags ignored about the parkland shooter.

What's your goal??? are you tying to prevent mass shootings or trying to take guns out of criminal hands ?

What's your time frame for completing the goal ?

None of the criminals follow the laws ... Right?? That's what makes them freaking criminals for goodness sakes. Your argument still says no new laws becAuse for crims do not following the current laws.

I made suggestions no one made any comments on them.

Well let's look at it your way...

Law abiding citizens follow the laws they do not cause mass shootings their guns do not cause mass shootings so your idea "let's make new laws to make it harder for the citizen that obey the law to defend themselves" in the mean time the criminals just ignore the new laws and commit more mass shootings, so your next great idea "let's pass more laws on the law abiding citizens and make it harder for them to defend themselves" once again the criminal don't obey the new laws what's next more laws?

I don't have all the answers but passing more laws that the people committing mass shooting ignore isn't the answer.

Protecting the kids while they are in school is the goal so setting up security similar to sports stadiums and airports is a start, I think that the show of arm guards are more of a deterrent than a law they won't follow.

You'll have to show me where I said that stuff. I must have been more drunk than i remember being in recent memory.

You're tautology is very misguided I'm afraid. Arguing against laws because criminals won't follow them offers absolutely zero guidance on the proper course of action. We are talking about how to improve safety of school kids and you're arguing that criminals don't follow laws? You do know what the word criminal means, right ?

Your lawbreaker paradox means we should additionally have no laws against rape, murder, theft, or really any law at all except the laws of nature.

The purpose of laws is to create the optimum society we want to live in. Punishments for violation enforce this view. The optimal plan is no dead kids by gunshot, yes? If so, then reasonable gun control measures would help in that endeavor. INSTEAD, the position we are given by the gun lobby is that we should change nothing. That is insane. That society never gets better, so we must always deal in fear and threats?

Society has been demonstrated to get better over time. There have been missteps along the way, but the trendline has been we work to improve ourselves and our society to become better stewards of our community. To argue otherwise is to discard the entirety of evidence established by anthropologists.

Perhaps we should have new laws against rape, murder and theft too.

Then we will have a Utopia.

It makes no sense and shows little understanding of how the black market (much less gray market) manipulates the flow of firearms.

Take NFA and preban machine guns. I can buy a fully automatic machine gun today, they aren't illegal at the federal level. Why aren't the streets flooded with preban and NFA guns? Because the regulation on nfa guns and the price scarcity of preban guns deters the flow into the gray and black markets.

I've shopped for preban guns. You're gonna pay tens of thousands just to get in the door for one. If I wanted to commit a robbery why would I want one? I can just grab a pistol off the gray market two orders of magnitude cheaper. But still, all that stops me from getting a preban MG is cost. For NFA guns I have to be an FFL dealer. There may be other ways but it's been a while since I researched. Either way you gotta make yourself known to law enforcement. Not good for a criminal!!

If other guns were regulated more like other NFA weapons where you have to make yourself known to law enforcement then that would help counter the flow into the gray market, and later black market.

More laws on drunk driving and texting while driving while your at it, the laws now are not working we need more laws.
Raise the cell phone age to 21.


It's been working on the war against drugs!

Worked well during Prohibition.

The current laws on the books have helped a great deal. Do you really want to argue we'd be better off with lesser punishments for murder and rape? The data is effectively settled on that. Anyone who would argue otherwise without complementary data would show themselves to be profoundly ignorant of not just the topic at hand, but of conducting basic form debate.

Who knows, maybe new laws will stop guns from shooting people and prevent cars from running us over.

I'm unsurprised that you'd rather ignore my queries into your arguments and instead would rather hit softballs lobbed your way. Shows a great deal about what's really important to you in this discussion.

Mine is saving kids lives. Yours is making laws.

If you're gonna dismiss my claim as argumentum ad lapidem you can do better than one sentence. Show some respect for your viewpoint.

I have a three year old child and twins on the way. Do not EVER assume to me that I am taking kids lives lightly. You should be ashamed to throw that assertion in my face. Grow up.

Dude you twist things to much.

Show me where more laws have STOPPED drugs, rape, murder and drunk driving and I'll talk adding more laws.

Cons: We need capital punishment to deter people from breaking laws. Also laws don't stop people from doing things.

One of the largest studies of its kind found strong evidence linking gun control regulation and saving lives source

Quaaludes are non-existent in the United States after tough laws on manufacture and distribution source

Drunk driving laws have been exceptionally effective at turning drunk driving from a "folksy" crime into serious offenses for offenders source

Really though, let's use a simple thought experiment to ask whether or not laws work. Right now the vast majority of roads in the United States have speed limits. On major highways let's use the somewhat common 65MPH speed limit. I will grant you that some percentage of drivers will assume a speed above and beyond that posted speed limit. However, many drivers will assume that speed limit and act accordingly. Some questions for you, and I'd like your thoughts actually:

• Why do you think speeding drivers slow down when they see a Cruiser in the median?
• If no speed limit was posted, would people on average drive faster, slow, or the same as before?
• If the speed limit was reduced from 65MPH to 45MPH, would everyone ignore the new posted speed limit?

Do you want to start talking common sense reform now, or are you going to move the goal posts? I have absolutely no issue with leaving everything out in the open on my position, and why I feel a certain way. I understand it is more of a dopamine rush to just post memes and videos that reinforce your world view, but all that does is stop dialogue. You aren't debating. You're just trying to be the loudest in the room.

Quaaludes. Lemon 714s... America might not have been great but those parties were. in the 70s and 80s.

Tell the people of Chicago that run regulations work. They will laugh at you.

There are still plenty of rape drugs out there. It's impossible to stop them completely. The change in culture is why they are used less not the change in laws.

Drunk driving social awareness is why changes have occured. It's not longer cool thanks to MADD and states pounding out the advertisements. The severe laws just ruined lives even when nothing bad happened.

People follow the speed limit? I thought I was the only one as I watch people zip by me like I am standing still.

The only law you need is that if you rape or kill someone on purpose or while on drugs that you took voluntarily then you will be 100% executed. No exceptions and no jail time beyond the length of appeals.

If you want kids at school safe then build schools properly and guard them properly too.

Some states with strictest gun laws also have most dangerous cities

by KRISTINE FRAZAO, Sinclair Broadcast Group

Tuesday, February 27th 2018

“I represent a community that doesn’t just experienced trauma, we live in trauma. These guns aren’t licensed they aren’t permitted, there are no background checks they were never purchased legally,” Pinkett said in an interview Tuesday.

http://wjla.com/news/nation-world/some-s...angerous-cities





Drug Deaths in America Are Rising Faster Than Ever

By JOSH KATZ JUNE 5, 2017

New data compiled from hundreds of health agencies reveals the extent of the drug overdose epidemic last year.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017...-than-ever.html



OHP OVI citations

In 2017, Ohio State Highway Patrol troopers issued 27,343 citations for OVI, more than 8 percent higher than 2016. Troopers have written an average of 25,213 OVI citations per year over the last 5 years (2013-2017).

Male drivers were the recipients of 73 percent of OVI citations written. Fifty-nine percent of OSHP OVI citations were issued between midnight and 4 a.m. More than half (54 percent) of all OVI arrests were

made between 5 p.m. Friday and 5 a.m. Sunday.

Source: OHP

http://www.news-herald.com/general-news/...-patrol-reports




U.S. traffic death increase caused by speeding, says new study

“You can’t tackle our rising epidemic of roadway deaths without tackling speeding.”
By Alissa Walker@awalkerinLA Jul 28, 2017, 3:39pm EDT

https://www.curbed.com/2017/7/28/16051780/us-traffic-death-speeding-statistics-speeding