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Gotcha, my bad there.

I agree that he's not quick with his reads but some believe he can improve with coaching and talent upgrade.

It's because we own the #4 pick too. I've mentioned before that if we talk up Allen a ton, we might convince another team to move up for him at that position. We may also be trying to bluff the Giants into trading up for #1 if they think we might take someone they really want like Barkley or Chubb at #1, if they think we'll just take Allen at #4.

Now, if the interest is genuine I can only think of one thing. They may really not that thrilled in any of the other QBs. Darnold has a weird arm motion, Rosen has had a few concussions, etc. Maybe Allen just has the most potential of all QBs, and they figure if they have to get a QB they aren't thrilled with, they may as well go with the one with the highest ceiling. As far as potential goes, Allen has to be tops, right? He's got the biggest arm, biggest frame, fastest 40 time (of the "top 4"). He's probably had the least amount of coaching up until now. His Wonderlic shows he's not lacking in intelligence. And most importantly, he seems to be willing to do whatever it takes to prove himself.

During the Senior Bowl, Mayfield was saying he didn't want to play at first, and then changed to say he would play in a limited number of series. Allen was reportedly saying he would play the whole game if coaches needed him to. he was also taking whatever advice he could get from coaches during the weekend. I could see a coaching staff viewing him as the perfect piece of clay that they can mold into their ideal QB.

All that said, I'm still going to be bummed if they take him #1 overall.

Very possible but it's my opinion that that ability is innate. I believe some guys can get better with experience, but a guy like Josh McCown is a perfect example. Experienced, physically gifted, yet struggles on post snap reads.

I may be alone, but I'm in the camp that processing speeds can be helped only marginally with coaching and experience.

This just in. Peter King reporting that a friend of Dorey's "believes" we're going Allen at 1. Barkely at 4.

Grain Of Salt

U know what bone ... i’ve been duped so many times in the past .... not this year ... i refuse to believe a thing until Dorsey’s wife’s hairdresser speaks .... the wife’s hairdresser is NEVER WRONG ... til then ... all nonsense and innuendo ... ....

I have no clue where there going at 1 or 4 and neither do none of us nor do these so called experts .... only ones that know are a few inside Berea if even they know for sure yet ... im sure they have a pretty good idea ... but I highly doubt there “locked in” ...

24 more days of ANTICIPATION ....

Then hopefully i get my guys .... if not, i pray these guys got it right and root like hell ....

I'm surprised tabloids are still in business with the regular media pretty much taking their niche.

For those who are against drafting Josh Allen #1 overall in this years draft and are for drafting Baker Mayfield. I would like to remind you that the Browns had a Baker Mayfield type player on the team and traded him for a 2019 conditional 7th round pick. I am not saying they are the exact same players but they are close enough statistically and physically. If you did not want Kessler, you cannot really make a case for Mayfield.

I say again as I have in the past, the Browns cannot take a 20 year old QB 1st overall and expect success. The list of success for a QB who started his first NFL game before his 22nd birthday is small. The Browns are in no position to [censored] away another high draft pick. Josh Allen is the the prototypical AFC North QB. Look at the teams in the AFC North QBs. Roethlisberger 6'5", Flacco 6'6", Dalton 6'2". It could be said that Andy Dalton has held the Bengals back from being consistently successful in the AFC North. I want the Browns to take Josh Allen if for no other reason than to give the Browns a chance to compete in the AFC North.

We just gonna ignore Brock Osweiler then?

He has all the tools and then some, he takes to coaching really well, he's smart and a hard worker with a pristine past and is morally sound. I really don't have a problem taking him #1 overall if that's the way Dorsey wants to go. I don't get the hand wringing.

I'm gonna let Tab have at this one.

Are you serious? Have you seen Baker Mayfield? Did you see Cody Kessler? Completely different players and different abilities. I mean, not even close. Other than them being both accurate and maybe the same height/body, what could be the similarities.



Okay, that's what's holding Andy Dalton and the Bengals back. His height.......

The scary part is Peter King is pretty connected, and usually isn't wrong. I love Allen's potential, but he has way too many questions to be the #1 pick.....imo anyway.

That's what I'm thinking. I mean, Jesus. I'm happy with three different guys, and rumor has it they favor the fourth.

It's unbelievable

I stated way back in November or December that Allen could be the pick for Dorsey and to not be surprised by it, not predicting it to be the case just that it is a possibility. The more info being printed the more it looks like it very well could be the case.

I have Allen 3rd and closer to Darnold than people would like. He is the ultimate "projection" QB. I compared him to Cam Newton recently and it was strange hearing someone else echo that like Bucky Brooks.

I also was not a fan of Cam Newtons for all the reasons I've listed about Allen.

food for thought.

This is comical. Cal or Petey are in a tizzy.

I've got my Popcorn. Keep on.

I agree and I've made the Cam comp myself but based only on size, arm and the type of passers they are (power as opposed to touch). But when it comes to rationalizing them equally as worthy of the #1 overall well....Cam had a much better resume:

Cam won at national championship at JuCo. Then Cam won a national championship at Auburn. Cam also rushed for 1400+ yards and 20 TDs. 66 comp%. 30 Td-7 Ints. Efficiency rating of 182.

Yeah it's strictly a physical comp. His combine #'s and the arm.

I wonder if Cam had the same numbers would he have gone #1?

I doubt it very seriously.

I disagree. It is the only criteria worth using. Winning the AFC North should be the goal. The goal should not be some mythical NFL QB type.

Here here Pastor Marc.

bonefish, I am only making a reasonable assessment of a QB abilities. Why don't you tell me what has kept Andy Dalton back? I am sold on Josh Allen. If GM Dorsey picks him 1st overall, I will not have a fit. I also like Sam Darnold. I believe Sam Darnold will need a full season with a clipboard before I would let him see the field. It has nothing to do with his athleticism. It has everything to do with his ability to turn the ball over and his age. Statistically starting QBs in the NFL under the age of 22 have not fared well. I am not inclined to support a 1st overall pick that will sit an entire season. I am and have been on the Josh Allen bandwagon. I would be pleased with Josh Allen being chosen 1st overall.

What is it you like so much about Allen that you'd take him #1?

I want Sam but I'm guessing the thinking behind Allen is there should be ample time for him to develop. Well, I'm thinking that time with Darnold should produce even a better QB since I think Sam is the better prospect. I can't take Allen at one though and even four kinda galls me a bit.

j/c

The rumors of Allen to Cleveland are making me ill. I sure hope Dorsey knows what he is doing if that is his guy.

I do not believe Josh Allen will be there at #4. I believe he is the best AFC North QB in the draft. I believe he is worth the 1st overall pick for the Browns.

The big arm IS enticing. I'm not convinced he can make that big arm NFL accurate. I hate to see an eventual repeat of the display we saw this year...

I'd be livid if we get Allen. Livid.

No way Sashi died just to draft Allen.

Right there with ya. My trust in Dorsey's QB evaluations will go right into the toilet.

I had a friend tell me I look like Josh Allen. The last time a friend told me I looked like a QB in the draft, it was Peyton Manning.

That's all I got ...

The regular media is tabloid trash.

A lot of this pre-draft stuff is smoke, mirrors, hype, and people making stuff up. Don't beat yourself up over it.

I think Darnold is and was the guy all along. We'll find out on April 26th.