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Well according to this site:
https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/player-stat/fumbles

Darnold = 11/8
White = 10/5
Jackson = 9/3
Rosen = 8/3
Rudolph = 4/3

I did not see Mayfield or Allen on the list.


CBS Sports lists:

Darnold = 12/9
Rosen = 8/3
Jackson = 9/3
Allen = 5/2
Mayfield = 3/0
Rudolph = 5/3
White = 12/6

Darnold could not even stand around without having two hands on the ball. Working on muscle memory.

The only thing that I am cautious about regarding college stats is that they are college stats. And that can be very misleading.

This is about projecting into the NFL and over a career.

There are things I really like about Mayfield.

But there are things that give me pause.

Rosen and Darnold are different quarterbacks when comparing the two. My thoughts are Darnold can do what Rosen does. Rosen can not do what Darnold does.

Mayfield is kind of a smaller version of Darnold. Both can work in and out of the pocket. Both guys can extend plays and make plays with their arm and feet. Both are very accurate. Their accuracy numbers are close but they ran much different offenses.

Allen is a gamble. And I don't think that is necessary.

Lamar in my opinion is going to struggle big time as a NFL quarterback.

Thanks 66 appreciate you helping me out.
Doesn't look like Darnold had that many more fumbles than Rosen or Jackson.
Especially considering how many fewer games Rosen played

The thing that jumps out to me is how many of those fumbles were recovered by the defense.
A way higher percentage of Darnold's fumbles were turnovers compared to any of the other guys.
Wonder what's behind that?

Also, Mayfield's # of fumbles was really low

JC: I wish there was some sort of news as to how the Sam Darnold visit went

Ah, hell, do like some on here do: Make up whatever you want, and then say it over and over. It will be 'true' then, as long as you quiet any dissenters by ADAMANTLY tearing them down.

Thanks 66 appreciate you helping me out.
Doesn't look like Darnold had that many more fumbles than Rosen or Jackson.
Especially considering how many fewer games Rosen played

The thing that jumps out to me is how many of those fumbles were recovered by the defense.
A way higher percentage of Darnold's fumbles were turnovers compared to any of the other guys.
Wonder what's behind that?

Also, Mayfield's # of fumbles was really low

Text from a scout

Rumor that Darnold is the throwing quarterback this morning at 7 AM for the Burnett and Rojo make up workout. If true, one of the coolest things I've seen in the business.

(It’s true)

lol...you guys are funny. Ya think Mayfield didn't have anything to do with the rushing attack? Defenses came to stop Mayfield making the rushing attack a success.

Face it the kid is the best QB in this draft. All he needs is 2 inch heels on his spikes....lol

Darnold is the best and we will draft him #1 ... JMHO

I'd take Rosen over those two any day of the week.

But I'll be very happy with any of them. Just don't draft Josh Allen

But we're absolutely taking Darnold. He signed helmets at Berea during his visit.

I'd take Rosen over those two any day of the week.

But I'll be very happy with any of them. Just don't draft Josh Allen

Darnold IMO is the Safest bet to be a High Quality QB with a Floor of a Romo and a Ceiling of Rodgers.

We WIN HUGE with that.

Take Darnold and roll with it. Imo he WILL NOT FAIL.

so switching flights means we have to take him?

did he fumble the ball switching flights?

no, it doesn't sway me.

it has nothing to do with anything he can or can't do on the actual field come sundays.

lol...you guys are funny. Ya think Mayfield didn't have anything to do with the rushing attack? Defenses came to stop Mayfield making the rushing attack a success.

Face it the kid is the best QB in this draft. All he needs is 2 inch heels on his spikes....lol

The problem is that his character was never a concern to begin with.

Nothing I ever seen or heard ever had me questioning his character. I stated at the beginning of the whole draft process that Darnold was a guy his teammates would run through a brick wall for.

But swapping flights doesn’t change the fact that he’s not only super careless with the football, but is simply a turnover machine, more than any qb in the top 5-6.

This fluff piece does nothing to change those concerns.

I haven't read the article because it's not pasted on here without a link.
I did read the thread title:

and thought, Oh ya, probly an article, because New York wants us to take Darnold,
the Jets want this because they love Mayfield.
The Giants are ok with this, they probly like Rosen, (style similar to Eli)

The rest of the NFL wants us to take Darnold, because they want Saquan Barkley to drop past 4.

So ya, that's my thoughts, of course people want to "stick" Darnold with the hapless Browns, just like they love sticking them with Osweiler's contract, and ... I forget, was there another player contract the Browns ate up with their endless cap space "this" year, maybe Jarvis Landry, maybe someone else I forget,
either way the larger point, is the rest of the NFL loves making the Browns a naieve type that does what's in the best interest of the rest of the NFL, who cares outside of "here" because Midwest/ohio/ flyover states/ teams are supposed to lose,

so Ya, great thread title.

Then, I see the Link article title:

He did a selfless act, oh boy, "is there a double like button to Swish's post?" It has nothing to do with what he does on the field, even if he did switch flights to help out a teammate, it doesn't make him a better on the field QB

There is a lot not to like about Sam Darnold, I've felt that since the start of the process, and when I first saw him play,
his consistency , he's ok, emphasis on that ok not being spectacular or better than ok.
I don't like him, I don't want another guy, who's ceiling is the same as Brandon Weeden's or Rg3's has turned into, or the next Colt McCoy, or what not,

And there's no guarantee he will, (it's just what I think about Darnold, from observation) He could turn out a bit better, but I doubt it,
Darnold looks very pedestrian, he makes good on a few long Throws in a college game,
but , it's the NFL who doesn't


( I want to see how he does, leading the team, (my definion of a Qb's job isn't going to change until someone proves to me it should, .. The quarterbacks job is to lead the team to first downs which become touchdowns.. that's it, so what I'm looking for)

I'm looking for how does a guy do in adversity, I mean, your two teams are playing, your offense goes down and scores, you feel good, a good drive, (why not it's quarterbacking, )

but then, the other team get's two quick scores and adversity comes, and it's up to you to start a drive that has to end in points to answer what the other team did, and it may be in a hostile crowd, and how do guys do in that situation.

How do you play in the big game, or vs the best/toughest defenses or when you've been hit a few times,
or when the ref's keep backing you up with ticky tack penalties,

how do you do in adversity.

3rd. Now I want to respond to a post someone made in another thread a week ago that goes this selfless attribute being a good thing.

someone said, in a negative way, (ohh I hope Mayfield isn't a selfish ...) type of how I read the gist of it, certainly they prolly didn't type it that way.

But I take offense to this thinking (slightly) because first
First all I could think of was of all the greatest qbs of all time , which just popped into my brain, one after another, and they were all Selfish Son of a guns.

First was Marino, then another and another, (I forget) then Bradshaw, maybe , maybe, every last one

every last one,

Every great hall of fame, all star Qb that's ever been in the NFL has had to be a selfish, me first, guy, in order to just reach that position and play well.

It's a prerequisite, I don't think anybody would be able to list anyone who was the selfless, (no you go first, you go first, i'll take a backseat) guy

that was able to have a great NFL career as a starting quarterback.

(Now saying that^ I know is a challenge for someone to prove me wrong and find an example, but I bet it'll be hard to do, exception to the rule kind of thing.


4. One of the hard things to like about Sam Darnold, is i'm scared he's like the afflunza defense,

(not the teen!!! I didn't call him the stupid kid)
( I mean the defense, the defense in the affluncza criminal defense case was that this stupid kid in texas was so spoiled from being rich that he couldn't know right from wrong)

Absoluted NOnsense,! that criminal defense is.

But I'm afraid , of Sam Darnold might have some of that in him, might have had everything handed to him all 20ish years of his life, hasn't faced adversity, hasn't had to overcome to show the love of the game that may or may not be there, which scares me about him.

Apart from the fact that his success is only "pretty good" not jump off the page great, good, but "ok"

so, what is his ceiling, if to this point ... without facing the toughness of the harder NFL, this is all the "greatness" he's shown, An OK level, not a higher level than that.

This is just my thinking, It's been proven I don't know anything, but I haven't been negative before this,

Before this, it seems like the only one anybodys been allowed to post a negative comment on was Baker Mayfield,

Who just happens to be probably the best player available.

I've been watching this process for too many years, (as a know nothing fan) but way too many years, and for too long, I've gone along with the axiom,
oh, ok, the team knows best, it's alright whatever the Browns want to do, i'll believe they are professionals by the way, and so on and so on.

and too many times I'll be watching NFL highlights 4-5 weeks into September, and the guys' I liked are doing great, and I'm yelling at the T.V. (See I knew I was right!)

And if the Browns are going to go 1-15, and also 0-16, then why should I think anything other than

What I see, what I think is the best guy. Go out and get the best guy!

And I'm wrong a lot! Show me where I'm wrong, go out and prove to me the other guy is the best guy, I just want to see the Browns get the best guy!

Stop messing this process up, it's been 20 years now!

OH, and if a guy ain't clearly better than Kizer, (Allen) then why didn't / did , why did you ship Kizer out of here in the first place.

YOu don't think Kizer wouldn't have improved if he was in his 2nd year on the same team,
if not! Then what is coaching?

Sam Darnold scares me. Scares me because he's going to be medium. I think the Browns are going to take him, and I think he is going to be medium,

and I think it could be better.

Go Browns. angry face.

edit! I shouldn't have called Sam Darnold spoiled, I only say that because he played in California.
I'm stereotyping everybody from California as being spoiled, got me there.
sticking with it.

If this article doesn't tell you all you need to know about the young man, nothing will.

His actions speak volumes (to me). I saw this and thought, this is a guy I would want leading our team.

Darnold switches Flight to throw for teammate

ill check it out. as everyone knows i really like lamar, but im fine if we draft mayfield, rosen, darnold.

the only QB im waging a holy war against is allen.

ill check it out. as everyone knows i really like lamar, but im fine if we draft mayfield, rosen, darnold.

the only QB im waging a holy war against is allen.