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London crime wave: Shock as six teenagers stabbed in 90 minutes

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/worl...utes/492382002/

LONDON — Shocked residents of the British capital called for an end to a surge in violence that now includes six teenagers stabbed in the space of 90 minutes.

The incidents came days after London's murder rate surpassed New York City's for the first time. At least 55 people have been killed in London in 2018, over 30 of them in stabbings.

Police in the Tower Hamlets borough of east London said Thursday that two 15-year-old boys were taken to the hospital with serious injuries after they were stabbed at about 6 p.m. local time Thursday. A 16-year-old who was treated for minor knife injuries was arrested for conspiracy to commit grievous bodily harm, and another male was arrested on suspicion of attempted murder, police said.

In a separate incident in the Newham borough of east London, police said three juveniles were arrested after a 13-year-old boy was stabbed. The victim is in serious but stable condition.

Elsewhere in the city, a teenager was taken to hospital when he was stabbed in Ealing Broadway, west London, and a 15-year-old boy was stabbed in Westferry, east London, but suffered no serious injury.

Also Thursday, a crowd gathered at a train station in the east London area of Hackney, near the scene of the fatal stabbing Wednesday of Israel Ogunsola, 18, to commemorate victims of violence.

Local youth worker Janette Collins, 58, told the London Evening Standard: "We need to stop this. Everybody keeps asking the same question, but the answers are in the young people. We the organisations are only trying to come out, to come together, and we are here to talk to young people and try to stop the violence."

David Lammy, the opposition Labour Party’s member of Parliament for the Tottenham area of north London, accused Prime Minister Theresa May and Home Secretary Amber Rudd, both of the ruling Conservative Party, of failing to act on the rising murder rate. He said four young people have been killed in his area since Christmas.

The number of police officers in England and Wales has fallen by 21,500 as part of a government drive to cut spending since May became home secretary in 2010. May became prime minister in 2016.


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Apparently #DavidLammy is trending. Very funny I know. But let’s please be serious for a minute 4 young men have been murdered in my constituency. Can we ask where the Prime Minister and Home Secretary are hiding? It shouldn’t require me to go on TV to try and get their attention https://twitter.com/davidlammy/status/981846143758987264 …
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Lammy said there was “no single cause” of the violence, but that he was concerned that gangs were getting involved in turf wars over a multi-million pound cocaine market.

“What we’re seeing today is the worst I’ve ever seen it,” he told BBC radio. “There are parents, friends, families, schools traumatized and grieving. And there is absolutely no sign at the moment of reduction in the violence.”

Cressida Dick, commissioner of London’s Metropolitan Police Service, vowed to use “Al Capone” tactics to try and halt the violence.

She told the London Evening Standard on Thursday that a new task force of 120 officers would target the most violent criminals to take them off the streets “for any crime.”

So it took 90 minutes instead of three seconds. Hmmmmm.....

96 Americans die from guns on the average day. Imagine the survival rate if we were talking knives...

I would much rather be shot than sliced. EEK!

Nearly 1.3 million people die in road crashes each year, on average 3,287 deaths a day. An additional 20-50 million are injured or disabled. More than half of all road traffic deaths occur among young adults ages 15-44...Imagine the survival rate if we rode bicycles!

GOOD IDEA!

But the car problem is the same as the political woes of the country... to many idiots participating in things they know nothing about.

What don't the left know about?

You do realize that comparing cars to guns makes our side of the debate look really stupid, right?

I'm sorry you look that way.

I know you are but what am I... smh

There is a deficit of original thought in your argument too.

Keep it up. I'm a gun advocate and it makes you look stupid too.

Sorry you look that way...

But no one knows when that will change. The wind is picking up.

I've been a second amendment supporter my entire life. But hearing some of the stupid crap like comparing cars to guns is the type of things that makes us all look foolish. And of course Vambo is leading the way. lol

lol this thread went off the rails super quick

So it's not about saving lives it's about guns...I thought you want to save lives.

So should we drive our guns to town? You see, one is invented and used for transportation. The other was invented and used for killing.

There are a lot of sound discussions to be made supporting gun ownership. But to try and compare a mode of transportation to a weapon designed to kill isn't one of them.

Guns were not used in London mass killing of kids.

Hey, why not find the exception rather than the rule and make a stand on that. lol

What's the rule on mass killing?

Your an ass .... ..

-March 2010

On March 23, 2010, Zheng Minsheng murdered eight children with a knife in an elementary school in Nanping.

-April 2010

Another knife-wielding man named Chen Kangbing, at Hongfu Primary School wounded 16 students and a teacher.]

On April 29 in Taixing, Jiangsu, unemployed 47-year-old Xu Yuyuan went to Zhongxin Kindergarten and stabbed 28 students and two teachers after stabbing the security guard.

On April 30, [censored] Yonglai used a hammer to cause head injury to preschool children in Weifang.

-May 2010

An attacker named Wu Huanming, 48, killed seven children and two adults and injured 11 other persons with a cleaver at a kindergarten in Hanzhong, Shaanxi on May 12, 2010.


-August 2010

On 4 August 2010, 26-year-old Fang Jiantang slashed more than 20 children and staff with a 60 cm knife, killing 3 children and 1 teacher at a kindergarten in Zibo, Shandong province.
Since the start of the year, a total of 27 people had died and at least 80 were injured in various knife attacks.

-August 2011

Eight children, all aged four or five, were hurt in Minhang District, Shanghai when an employee at a child-care centre for migrant workers slashed the children who were 3 to 4 years old with a box-cutter.

-September 2011

In September 2011, a young girl and three adults taking their children to nursery school were killed in Gongyi,[25] Henan by 30-year-old [censored] Hongbin with an axe.[26] Another child and an adult were seriously wounded but survived.

-December 2012

On 14 December 2012, a 36-year-old villager in the village of Chenpeng, Henan Province, stabbed 23 children and an elderly woman at the village's primary school as children were arriving for classes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_(2010%E2%80%9312)

How many stabbings took place in London and other regions in the UK over the last year?

At the time of writing at least 35 people have been killed as a result of knife crimes in London.

There were 37, 443 recorded knife offences and 6,694 recorded gun offences in the year up to September 2017.

In London the problem was even more pronounced than the rest of the country, with 12,980 knife crimes taking place in the capital - 2,452 more than the equivalent year.

Four teenagers were stabbed to death in London on New Year's Eve alone, and 22 were killed in March alone - making London deadlier than New York.

The US city had a mere 21 killings in comparison.


Commander Neil Jerome of the Met's territorial policing command condemned the crimes, saying the four families had lost a loved one to "senseless violence and the callous use of knives as lethal weapons".

A shocking night of violence took place on February 20, 2018, with six people reportedly stabbed in North London.

Russell Jones, 23, became the eighth person to die in a week after being ambushed outside shops near Ponders End station in Enfield on Saturday, March 17.

On 29 March a 23-year-old man died in hospital from stab wounds after being attacked and left for dead in Greenwich, South East London.

On April 4 a man in his 20s was stabbed to death in Hackney, East London. He was the 13th person to die in London in just 22 days.

While there are currently no fatalities from today (Thursday, April 5), there have been a total of six knife attacks across Walthamstow, Mile End and East India Docks.
Fatal stabbings in London, 2018

January 1 - Steve Frank Navarez-Jara, 20, Islington
January 3 - Elizabeta Lacatusu, 44, Redbridge
January 8 - Daniel Frederick, 34, died in Hackney
January 9 - Dami Odeyingbo, 18, stabbed in Bromley
January 11 - Harry Uzoka, 25, killed in Shepherd's Bush
January 28 - Yaya Mbye, 26, stabbed in Stoke Newington
January 29 - Juan Olmos Saca, 39, stabbed in Peckham
January 31 - Khader Saleh, 25, stabbed at Wormwood Scrubs prison
February 3 - Hassan Ozcan, 19, knifed in Barking
February 3 - Kwabena Nelson, a youth worker, died after being stabbed near his home in Tottenham
February 8 - Hannah Leonard, 55, stabbed in a flat in Camden
February 11 - Sabri Chibani, 19, stabbed in Streatham
February 13 - Saeeda Hussain, 54, was stabbed in Ilford
February 14 - Lord Promise Nkenda, 17, stabbed in Canning Town
February 18 - Lewis Blackman, 19, knifed in Kensington
February 19 - Rotimi Oshibanjo, 26, stabbed in Southall
February 20 - Sadiq Mohammed, 20, stabbed in Camden
February 20 - Abdikarim Hassan, 17, stabbed in Camden
February 25 - Michael Boyle, 44, stabbed in the chest
March 1 - Christopher Beaumont, 42, stabbed in Hammersmith
March 5 - Laura Figueira, 47, stabbed in Twickenham
March 5 - Kelva Smith, 20, knifed in Croydon
March 14 - Lyndon Davis, 18, stabbed in Chadwell Heath
March 16 - Naomi Hersi, 36, found with stab wounds at hotel near Heathrow Airport
March 17 - Russell Jones, 23, stabbed in Enfield
March 18 - Tyrone Silcot, 41, stabbed in Hackney
March 19 - Balbir Johal, 48, knifed in Southall
March 19 - A 41-year-old was stabbed to death in Waltham Forest but is yet to be identified
March 20 - Beniamin Pieknyi, 21, stabbed at Stratford shopping centre
March 26 - David Potter, 50, stabbed in Tooting
March 29 - Reece Tshoma, 23, stabbed in Plumstead
March 30 - Leyla Mtumwa, 36, found with stab wounds at a home in Haringey
April 1 - A 20-year-old was stabbed in Wandsworth, but police have not formally identified the victim
April 4 - A 38-year-old man stabbed at a house in Lewisham has not yet been formally identified
April 4 - Israel Ogunsola, 18, was stabbed to death in Hackney on 4 April. Police were alerted by a motorist and performed first aid but the teenager died at the scene
April 5 - Five teenagers and one one man were stabbed in London within a space of 24 hours. One of the victims was aged 13 and left fighting for his life


Are stabbings on the rise?

Knife crime across the country has risen by a staggering 21 per cent in the 12 months to September 2017, according to quarterly figures released by the Office of National Statistics.

Stabbings in London are at their highest level in six years, with a 23 per cent rise from the previous year.

Overall, crime had continued to fall in England and Wales, consistent with the general trend since the mid-1990s.

Knife killings on the rise in Australia as gun murders fall, says new criminology report

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/na...b531dab6d5c213b

AUSTRALIANS are shooting each other less and stabbing each other more.

Many psychopaths love to kill with knives more than guns because it feels more personal to get in close. A gun goes off people run for cover. You stab someone in the throat, kidneys, liver, or lungs and they are so stunned from the sudden pain the killer can leapfrog about before anyone even notices.

Be nice to have a gun to defend yourself with.

and yet:

http://www.crimestats.aic.gov.au/NHMP/1_trends/

the overall homicide rate in Australia is down.

so knife attacks are up, yet the overall murder rate is down.

maybe it has something to do with having a higher rate of survival when attacked by a knife compared to a gun.

you guys continue to be your own worst enemy when it comes to the gun debate.

i mean damn, they currently have a 1.2 homicide rate per capita(100,000), while the US has 4.9 per 100,000

you keep making the argument for gun control for us.

thanks?

https://winteryknight.com/2017/10/06/did...uicide-rates-2/


In fact, according to the Australian government’s own statistics, a number of serious crimes peaked in the years after the ban. Manslaughter, sexual assault, kidnapping, armed robbery, and unarmed robbery all saw peaks in the years following the ban, and most remain near or above pre-ban rates. The effects of the 1996 ban on violent crime are, frankly, unimpressive at best.

It’s even less impressive when again compared to America’s decrease in violent crime over the same period. According to data from the U.S. Justice Department, violent crime fell nearly 72 percent between 1993 and 2011. Again, this happened as guns were being manufactured and purchased at an ever-increasing rate.

So although you have fewer firearm-related deaths when you disarm law-abiding civilians, violent crime increases, because there is now NO deterrence to criminals. Even a criminal with a knife can rob, rape and murder someone who is unarmed.

What about suicide rates?

Look:

The Australian gun ban’s effect on suicide in the country isn’t any better. While Vox repeats the Harvard study’s claim that firearm-related suicides are down 57 percent in the aftermath of the ban, Lifeline Australia reports that overall suicides are at a ten-year high. The Australian suicide prevention organization claims suicide is the leading cause of death for Australians 15 to 44 years old. So, while Australians kill themselves with firearms less often, it seems they don’t actually take their own lives any less often than before the ban.

So, overall suicides are not down, people simply found other ways to kill themselves. So the gun ban had no effect on the overall suicide rate. But it did raise the violent crime rate. Should we be surprised by this? Actually, this is consistent with peer-reviewed research.

Gun crime also skyrocketed after the 1996 gun ban. The Washington Free Beacon reports.

Excerpt:

Australia has seen a rise in gun crime over the past decade despite imposing an outright ban on many firearms in the late 1990s.

Charges for crimes involving firearms have increased dramatically across the island nation’s localities in the past decade according to an analysis of government statistics conducted by The New Daily. It found that gun crimes have spiked dramatically in the Australian states of Victoria, New South Wales, South Australia, and Tasmania. In Victoria, pistol-related offenses doubled over the last decade. In New South Wales, they tripled. The other states saw smaller but still significant increases.

Experts said that the country’s 1996 ban on most semi-automatic firearms has actually driven criminals to those guns. “The ban on semi-automatics created demand by criminals for other types of guns,” professor Philip Alpers of the University of Sydney told The New Daily. “The criminal’s gun of choice today is the semi-automatic pistol.”

Regardless of the reasons for the jump in gun crime, the numbers reveal the true size of Australia’s illegal gun market. “Taken together, the data suggests that despite our tough anti-gun laws, thousands of weapons are either being stolen or entering the country illegally,” The New Daily said. “The fourfold rise in handgun-related charges in NSW in the past decade points to the existence of a big illegal market for concealable firearms that seems to have been underestimated in the past.”

If you take guns away from law-abiding people (which is what Australia did), then only criminals will have guns. And that means that the criminals will become bolder in the face of their disarmed victims.

The peer-reviewed research

Whenever I get into discussions about gun control, I always mention two academic books by John R. Lott and Joyce Lee Malcolm.

The Lott book was published by the University of Chicago Press (now in its 3rd edition)

The Malcolm book was published by Harvard University Press

I think that peer-reviewed studies should be useful for assessing gun control vs gun rights policy. The book by economist John Lott, linked above,compares the crime rates of all U.S. states that have enacted concealed carry laws, and concludes that violent crime rates dropped after law-abiding citizens were allowed to carry legally-owned firearms. That’s the mirror image of Dr. Malcolm’s Harvard study, which shows that the 1997 UK gun ban caused violent crime rates to MORE THAN DOUBLE in the four years following the ban. But both studies affirm the same conclusion – more legal firearm ownership means less crime.

One of the common mistakes I see anti-gun advocates making is to use the metric of all “gun-related deaths”. First of all, this completely ignores the effects of hang gun ownership on violent crime, as we’ve seen. Take away the guns from law-abiding people and violent crime skyrockets. But using the “gun-related deaths” number is especially wrong, because it includes suicides committed with guns. This is the majority (about two thirds) of gun related deaths, even in a country like America that has a massive inner-city gun violence problem caused by the epidemic of single motherhood by choice. If you take out the gun-related SUICIDES, then the actual number of gun homicides has decreased as gun ownership has grown.

You're welcome swish

i literally just posted the stats from the australian government, and you're posting crap from a source i have already torn apart.

please stop posting crap.

So you now trust government?

Certainly more than “wintery Knight” lmfao

So you trust Trump!


Lifeline Australia - 13 11 14 - Crisis Support and Suicide Prevention

https://www.lifeline.org.au/

from the article


professor Philip Alpers of the University of Sydney

according to an analysis of government statistics

The Lott book was published by the University of Chicago Press (now in its 3rd edition)

The Malcolm book was published by Harvard University Press

Dr. Malcolm’s Harvard study


So you've torn these people down?

Why do you keep moving the goal post?

Now we’re only talking about suicides?

What’s next, deaths from fly fishing?

BAN THE FISH!

First, it wasn't 3 seconds, and you are getting hard to read.


What's wrong with you? Another attempt to take my 2nd Amendment Right no doubt.



Sorry.



Just keep giving it away my man. I won't!

It was a source of data from the article. You try to twist things to much. Such Drama from you guys.

Maybe he was thinking of his sex life.

Claiming that all proponents of gun control want to take away 2A is a false dilemma. There are many, many more options available to us. Heck, we already have several limitations on 2A rights without repeal of 2A:

- 1934 NFA (Requires tracking on several classes of firearm including machine gun (Rampant gang violence))
- 1968 GCA (Restricts sale to certain prohibited persons)
- 1986 FOPA (Ban on civilian ownership of machineguns made after 1986 except in certain situations)
- 1993 Brady Bill (Background checks on all purchases)

I think we should consider other options to restrict purchases by examining what qualifications work on prohibited persons and which ones don't. Background checks are good start, but do not catch first time offenders and is a reactionary system. Why not evaluate a proactive option where we require gun owners to demonstrate safety training, submit to mental wellness check, and renew this on a frequent basis? That's just one option available out of several.

I sometimes think it's actually in the GOPs interest to spearhead this research and discussion, to get ahead of the issue for one, and two because you know democrat options will be much more severe in the end. Just my 2c