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I don't have a problem with that, as long as it is absolutely clear cut.
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Well, the NFL will screw this up. If they're going to take the time to review these plays they should also afford the opportunity to correct the call if it was incorrect in the first place. Too many flags are immediately thrown when there is any kind of significant contact, sometimes on textbook tackles.
Do the right thing and I'll be a big fan of this.
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Well, the NFL will screw this up. If they're going to take the time to review these plays they should also afford the opportunity to correct the call if it was incorrect in the first place. Too many flags are immediately thrown when there is any kind of significant contact, sometimes on textbook tackles.
Do the right thing and I'll be a big fan of this. How many targeting plays gone awry have taught us that?
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As long as the refs don't play favoritism towards certain players/teams..
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As long as the refs don't play favoritism towards certain players/teams.. Except Brady, of course. The NFL must have it's bell cow.
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Over reach . Seems to be a theme that the populaces are Ok with !
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I'm against this proposal. The game has been slowed down and the flow of games is altered much too often due to lengthy instant replays and wordy explanations by the lead official. I don't tune in to hear the refs. I want action.
I vigorously oppose this proposal.
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Any college football fan knows this is a very bad idea.
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Don't know how I feel about this. Many times the exact play is made by two different players, and different results come from the refs. In these cases, I can see where it might help.
Where I see it hurting, is on plays where the proximity of the ref on the field can be a better point of view than a replay. Camera angles can make the same play look many different ways.
The one thing I think it would help with, is the "defenseless receiver" calls, and the inadvertent helmet to helmet calls. Too many times players are flagged and even fined for helmet to helmet calls, when on the replay it is clear that the helmets hit each other after the initial impact.
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I don't have a problem with that, as long as it is absolutely clear cut. Nor do I, on the grounds that it's unquestionable.
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As much as I'm for the catch rule revision, I'm against this ... it has negatively affected college IMO
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I'm against this proposal. The game has been slowed down and the flow of games is altered much too often due to lengthy instant replays and wordy explanations by the lead official. I don't tune in to hear the refs. I want action.
I vigorously oppose this proposal. Agreed...The flow of the game is already backed up and always suddenly stopped, delayed, or sent off for commercial breaks...I cant be the only one whom gets angry during games for the vast amounts of delay...The marketing ploys are getting ridiculous as well, I miss the days of simplicity in ball.
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Suh's contract value just got cut in half
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I know this won't be popular and I am not even sure if he is still available, but I think signing Suh at a reduced contract would be great. The dude can ball.
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I'd agree with you if we weren't in the middle of developing so much young, talented dlinemen.
I'm fine letting this one go.
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j/c...too many rules. Just enforce the ones you got!
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Anything that adds more officiating to the game, I am against. I'd be in favor of cutting the number of game officials to 5.
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I'd like to go back to having no video replays/reviews at all. Officiating is part of the game; the call on the field is the call. With that said, I'd like to see the referee crews get younger and more able to keep up with the speed of the game. I'd also like to see referees become full time employees, with a senior off-field crew chief that does regular reviews of their job performance.
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Anything that adds more officiating to the game, I am against. I'd be in favor of cutting the number of game officials to 5.  Way to much happening on the field ... reducing the number of eyes on it would be beyond stupid ...
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Terrible proposal. At this rate, games will continue to get longer and longer making them four hour events.
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Why not a four hour event? Just think of the extra commercial time it creates for the benefit of the viewers. [/s]
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Anything that adds more officiating to the game, I am against. I'd be in favor of cutting the number of game officials to 5.  Way to much happening on the field ... reducing the number of eyes on it would be beyond stupid ... Not as stupid as adding more officials, be them on field or in some booth in NYC.
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I watched a video that made a few points that make me rethink my initial approval of this. One of those things said was usually it's the player just retaliating that is flagged... which is kind of cheap in itself, now to get thrown out?
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Elway,Bradshaw,Roslesberger,Lambert,Rey Lewis,Polamolu,the previous 3 cheap shot artists,head hunters always got no flag for spearing illegal use of hands,facemasking,ect. Elway even if had in in the grasp no whistle only a flag for roughing QB or late hit,he should have been flagged every play for head bobbing and /or illegal motion after setting self to call signals then bobs head and body or then moves up and along line changing play and his line moves also then goes back in position bobs head and leg forward again before snap,no flag.
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I'd like to go back to having no video replays/reviews at all. Officiating is part of the game; the call on the field is the call. With that said, I'd like to see the referee crews get younger and more able to keep up with the speed of the game. I'd also like to see referees become full time employees, with a senior off-field crew chief that does regular reviews of their job performance. I don't think age has anything to do with it. Those guys can cover the field as is. The problem is the speed of the game. It's so fast, so many bodies and weird angles all while playing with a dark ball. Replay is needed for accuracy. The frustration is with the speed of replay, which is a joke. The officials on the field don't need to run to the sideline to watch the replays themselves, that wastes too much time. Build a war room at NFL headquarters to rule on each replay. They should be able to make a decision in under 30-45 seconds. I know I can do it. I see a play in slo-mo and can usually get it right on the first viewing. I still don't understand why it can take these officials 3-4 minutes. - NFL war room - They have people watching the game ready for a review, just like we are, they can have the call ready by the time the red-flag hits the field. - If more viewings are needed, cap the review time to 30 seconds and then 15 seconds to deliver the particulars (no completion, ball on the 42-yard line, clock should be 3:45 and it'll be 2nd and 7 with a first down marker at the 49) - If they can't find proof to reverse the call in 30 seconds, call stands...move on. As for ejecting players, I'd rather they eject a player for a series, quarter or half before ejecting from the game. Hit a defenseless player with the crown of your helmet in the 1st....out until the 2nd. Do it again in the 3rd, out for the rest of the half. That sort of thing. I've never liked the college targeting system where one hit on the first series gets you booted for the whole game. So dumb.
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The frustration is with the speed of replay, which is a joke. The officials on the field don't need to run to the sideline to watch the replays themselves, that wastes too much time. Build a war room at NFL headquarters to rule on each replay. They should be able to make a decision in under 30-45 seconds. I know I can do it. I see a play in slo-mo and can usually get it right on the first viewing. I still don't understand why it can take these officials 3-4 minutes.
- NFL war room - They have people watching the game ready for a review, just like we are, they can have the call ready by the time the red-flag hits the field. - If more viewings are needed, cap the review time to 30 seconds and then 15 seconds to deliver the particulars (no completion, ball on the 42-yard line, clock should be 3:45 and it'll be 2nd and 7 with a first down marker at the 49) - If they can't find proof to reverse the call in 30 seconds, call stands...move on.
How can anyone disagree with this? 
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I wonder if they reach a decision fast, but the travel in communications is what lags the process and etc?
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too bad they can't eject ref's for making bad calls in a game
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The frustration is with the speed of replay, which is a joke. The officials on the field don't need to run to the sideline to watch the replays themselves, that wastes too much time. Build a war room at NFL headquarters to rule on each replay. They should be able to make a decision in under 30-45 seconds. I know I can do it. I see a play in slo-mo and can usually get it right on the first viewing. I still don't understand why it can take these officials 3-4 minutes.
- NFL war room - They have people watching the game ready for a review, just like we are, they can have the call ready by the time the red-flag hits the field. - If more viewings are needed, cap the review time to 30 seconds and then 15 seconds to deliver the particulars (no completion, ball on the 42-yard line, clock should be 3:45 and it'll be 2nd and 7 with a first down marker at the 49) - If they can't find proof to reverse the call in 30 seconds, call stands...move on.
How can anyone disagree with this? CAN'T - It's the perfect protocol. Bottom line: The NFL WILL adopt this. They're on a mission to show that their #1 concern is player safety, whether it's true or not. My only hope is that they think this all the way through and allow the replay to NEGATE any flag that shouldn't have been thrown in the first place. Way too many legal hits getting flagged, or helmet to helmet flags from contact that was actually initiated or caused by the player they're treating as the victim. If you're going to try to fix something - actually FIX IT.
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I wonder if they reach a decision fast, but the travel in communications is what lags the process and etc? If they're sending those communications via carrier pigeons, sure.  To me, once that red flag hits the ground, the next play should be ready to go 90 seconds later or sooner. Heck, by the point the red flag has been thrown, we at home have already seen the reply once or twice.
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I agree, usually on the jumbo trons is all that's required to see too.
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The frustration is with the speed of replay, which is a joke. The officials on the field don't need to run to the sideline to watch the replays themselves, that wastes too much time. Build a war room at NFL headquarters to rule on each replay. They should be able to make a decision in under 30-45 seconds. I know I can do it. I see a play in slo-mo and can usually get it right on the first viewing. I still don't understand why it can take these officials 3-4 minutes.
- NFL war room - They have people watching the game ready for a review, just like we are, they can have the call ready by the time the red-flag hits the field. - If more viewings are needed, cap the review time to 30 seconds and then 15 seconds to deliver the particulars (no completion, ball on the 42-yard line, clock should be 3:45 and it'll be 2nd and 7 with a first down marker at the 49) - If they can't find proof to reverse the call in 30 seconds, call stands...move on.
How can anyone disagree with this? The TV Networks can. That 3 to 4 minutes can be 6 to 8 commercials. Cha-ching!
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Agreed with others that say the NFL should make changes that move the game along faster.
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The frustration is with the speed of replay, which is a joke. The officials on the field don't need to run to the sideline to watch the replays themselves, that wastes too much time. Build a war room at NFL headquarters to rule on each replay. They should be able to make a decision in under 30-45 seconds. I know I can do it. I see a play in slo-mo and can usually get it right on the first viewing. I still don't understand why it can take these officials 3-4 minutes.
- NFL war room - They have people watching the game ready for a review, just like we are, they can have the call ready by the time the red-flag hits the field. - If more viewings are needed, cap the review time to 30 seconds and then 15 seconds to deliver the particulars (no completion, ball on the 42-yard line, clock should be 3:45 and it'll be 2nd and 7 with a first down marker at the 49) - If they can't find proof to reverse the call in 30 seconds, call stands...move on.
How can anyone disagree with this? The TV Networks can. That 3 to 4 minutes can be 6 to 8 commercials. Cha-ching! Then split-screen the replay. Half commercial / half replay. Or heck, sponsor the replay: "This 6-second red flag challenged is sponsored by..."
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The frustration is with the speed of replay, which is a joke. The officials on the field don't need to run to the sideline to watch the replays themselves, that wastes too much time. Build a war room at NFL headquarters to rule on each replay. They should be able to make a decision in under 30-45 seconds. I know I can do it. I see a play in slo-mo and can usually get it right on the first viewing. I still don't understand why it can take these officials 3-4 minutes.
- NFL war room - They have people watching the game ready for a review, just like we are, they can have the call ready by the time the red-flag hits the field. - If more viewings are needed, cap the review time to 30 seconds and then 15 seconds to deliver the particulars (no completion, ball on the 42-yard line, clock should be 3:45 and it'll be 2nd and 7 with a first down marker at the 49) - If they can't find proof to reverse the call in 30 seconds, call stands...move on.
How can anyone disagree with this? The TV Networks can. That 3 to 4 minutes can be 6 to 8 commercials. Cha-ching! Then split-screen the replay. Half commercial / half replay. Or heck, sponsor the replay: "This 6-second red flag challenged is sponsored by..." The replays should be governed by Virgin Time. The replays should take no longer than an average human male virgin's first sex encounter.
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I wonder if they reach a decision fast, but the travel in communications is what lags the process and etc? Well, they do have to wait for the communications to travel to outer space and back. lol
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I want to see being able to challenge more penalties, like PI and horrible holding calls that ruin drives.
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My whole suggestion with the communication things is does it need to be filtered, approved or checked by a ton of different people? Is it one person making the decision and then it's relayed directly to the refs on the field? Does it have to go through options A, B, C, D and E before the decision gets to refs?
Who knows. I do know that I initially was okay with this, but now after reading here and other places - this sounds like a clean way to extend the length of football games and other annoyances.
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