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Florida judge grants police request to seize man's guns under new law inspired by Parkland shooting

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati...ting/494127002/

TALLAHASSEE — A judge Friday granted a police request to strip a man of his firearms using Florida's new gun law that the deadly shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School inspired.

The Tallahassee Police Department filed a petition in the morning seeking a court order to remove multiple firearms from Christopher Mark Newhouse Jr. of Tallahassee. Before courthouse workers went home that afternoon, officers had their ruling.

The 21-year-old "poses a significant danger of causing personal injury to himself or others in the near future," Judge J. Lee Marsh of Leon County Circuit Court said. Newhouse has a history of mental illness and making threats to hurt others.

The filing is the first in Leon County, home to state capital Tallahassee, under the new law. Touted by Gov. Rick Scott, the measure gives law enforcement more power to take firearms from people with mental-health problems.

Marsh's order was sent to the Wakulla County Sheriff's Office in the county just south of Tallahassee; Florida Department of Agriculture officials; and Teresa Flury, the Tallahassee police lawyer. Newhouse must appear in court Wednesday where he will have to show that he has surrendered all of his weapons and ammunition.

Newhouse has made threats to kill police officers, himself and others as far back as April 2017, according to the petition. Newhouse owns an AR-15 and two other semi-automatic rifles.

In September, Tallahassee responded to Newhouse’s home where he admitted to firing an AR-15 into his backyard while he was intoxicated. He voluntarily surrendered the rifle for the evening.

The law, enacted last month, allows law-enforcement agencies to petition for risk protection orders and allows courts to prohibit a violent or mentally ill individual from purchasing or possessing firearms or any other weapons.

The new law also can require the immediate surrender of any weapons. Additionally, it allows police to seize firearms from individuals involuntarily admitted to mental-health facilities.

The TPD filing laid out four reasons that police believe Newhouse’s firearms should be taken from him. He:

• Has made recent threats to harm himself or others.
• Has committed or made threats of violence within the past 12 months.
• Has recurring mental health issues.
• And has recklessly brandished a firearm.

In July, Newhouse threatened to kill police officers because he was upset over a traffic citation, according to the court filing. They received second-hand reports that Newhouse said, “Pigs got to die.”

In February, the Leon County Sheriff’s Office went to the home of a Newhouse family member after he had made threats to kill law enforcement.

He “admitted to deputies that he had a desire to kill law-enforcement officers and did not care if he lived or died,” Flury wrote in the filing.

Newhouse was involuntarily admitted to a mental-health facility. A loaded semi-automatic weapon was found in his vehicle.

In April 2017, a bank teller called police when Newhouse went into a bank to make a large deposit. The teller reported that he had referenced buying a gun and robbing a bank during the transaction.

After being involuntarily committed in February, a psychologist found that Newhouse suffers from psychosis and should not possess firearms or other weapons.

A month later he was again admitted for mental health treatment for being suicidal.

In March 2017, the Apalachee Center filed a petition to involuntarily commit him. The petition said the “was a substantial likelihood that in the near future, (Newhouse) would inflict serious bodily harm on himself or another person.” The petition was denied for unknown reasons, according to the filing.

The law was first used just nine days after it was enacted to temporarily remove four firearms and more than 250 rounds of ammunition from a Broward County man.

Ironically, we can look at Japan, as a model of gun safety.

We could.

Let's take a look:

-Handguns are banned. Only shotguns and air rifles are allowed.
-Police will inspect guns/storage once per year.
-Much more thorough background check, including your relatives and even co-workes in order for you to get a permit.
-police have 'sweeping' powers to search and seize (EXACTLY what that means, I do not know)
-IF licensed, you can only purchase new ammo (that would be shotgun shells, or pellets or bb's,) by taking in your spent shells (air rifles - to me, that means bb guns or pellet guns - perhaps I'm missing some info on that?) In other words, if you shoot 10 shells, you have to take the spent ones back to the store, and you're allowed to buy 10 new ones. (and, I don't know how many you are allowed to possess, or who determines that).

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-38365729


Japan has a population of about 127,000,000. http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/japan-population/

Japan has about 710,000 total guns privately owned.

So out of curiosity Vanbo, I am pretty sure in our discussions on another thread you said no newlaws concerning guns are needed. SO I was wondering your thoughts on the article you posted and the use of this new gun law.

Well it's not really a gun law it's more of a mental health enforcement keeping gun from mentally ill person and I'm all for it!

David Hogg's Next Crusade: Opposing Voter Identification Laws

https://www.dailywire.com/news/28648/david-hoggs-next-crusade-opposing-voter-emily-zanotti

The March for Our Lives may have been the Parkland activist students' magnum opus, but they are by no means done agitating for leftist policies. The only relevant legislation on the horizon, the STOP School Violence Act, passed without their support, and there are few gun regulations likely to pass.

So, at least one Parkland student is seeking to expand his policy agenda; David Hogg is battling voter ID laws.

That's right: he may believe you should have photo identification in order to exercise your Second Amendment rights, but is iffy on whether you should have similar paperwork to cast a ballot.



Hogg's statement appeared to come out of nowhere. The linked article is an ACLU fact sheet, not a new blog post, or a relevant news story. Hogg simply interrupted his regularly scheduled anti-gun programming to bring you a message from your betters: asking people who already have access to the means to acquire picture identification to show that identification in order to protect the electoral process is a problem.

After social media users suggested that voter ID laws help to safeguard elections, Hogg was forced to backtrack.



Hogg was silent once confronted with the idea that burdensome identification and background check requirements might serve to unfairly prevent Americans from exercising other Constitutionally protected rights.

Contrary to the stated purpose of Saturday's March for Our Lives — "preventing gun violence" — the objective appears to be the widespread promotion of a severely leftist agenda, and not just on guns.

Cons gonna screw around and make me like the son of an FBI agent.

Two students arrested at Stoneman Douglas on weapons charges; deputy suspended for sleeping

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/browar...0320-story.html

come on man, it is a new gun law.

I think the reason I asked is because most people who are asking for reasonable gun control are asking for laws like this one. Except for the few idiots who have to take things to the extreme(on either side of the aisle) nobody is asking for peoples guns to be taken or for the second amendment to be repealed.

Define"reasonable gun control" and how it relates to guns already owned by legal law abiding citizens.

well this law they passed in Florida, a law that you also like, seems pretty reasonable. I am sure there are many other reasonable ideas out there , but they all get shot down by hype and hysteria

I get what you are saying by asking to define reasonable gun control. I get the fear that they are going to come and take all your guns away. But that is not what people, for the large majority anyways , are asking for.

Really? Where does it say that because they change a gun law they have to change another law in trade?

There you go exactly what holds things up.

what holds things up? none of the laws you mentioned have anything to do with each other, actually trying to put stipulations on legislation is what holds things up

Whatever dude were are at an impasse.

I don't think any gun should be banned. I do think you should have to get a gun license that requires a mental health evaluation every 5 years or so. I am also fine with denying all felons the right to own guns.

Who would pay for the mental health evaluation?

What doctors would be used for the exam?

We could just have the applicant pay for it with his insurance. There are plenty of shrinks but in reality in some areas it would be hard but you could always set up video conferencing in worst case scenario. I mean even if your out in the boonies you can handle a trip into town once every 5 years.

I will say this though. I would not put it as part of the state id or driver licence because your mental health should not be on public display for non gun related issues. All you should need is a clean bill of health from the doc saying it's ok to buy or not. Then you either have a gun license or you don't.

What if a persons health insurance doesn't cover it? Right now for a CCW every 5 years you have to renew at a cost of $50 where I live.

Why is it your new laws have to cost law abiding citizen more money for doing nothing wrong? I'd be in if everyone paid for the test as in a tax on everyone.

Who determines what is considered a mental health issue to keep one from owning a gun?

If you're not competent to own a gun why would you be competent to drive a motor vehicle?

What if the Doctor is a gun hating Liberal?

True.

Who pays for it?

Simple lesson here.

If a group in power wants to ban something they can't legally ban, then tax the hell out of it and enact fees that are cost effective at disallowing what they want banned. Require money to be paid, in taxes, licensing, permits, etc.

When that happens, law abiders will say "can't afford it anymore. I give up my gun."

And you'll see the bad guys say "who cares? I'm keeping my gun."

Problem: Unsolved.

Worked well on cigarettes.

not in my case.
I paid whatever I was required. I quit to improve my general health. Money had nothing to do with it.


Not disputing the theory being discussed between you and arch- just dropping a persona nugget into the convo that's sort of loosely related.

BTW: right now, it's

11 M
15 D
0 H

Not one single cig. Not even one puff from someone else's

anyways... back to the thread.

j/c

I actually had to comb through to make sure it wasn't parody, but apparently the lunatics who are terrified of a 17 year old set up an aggregation site called "Hogg Watch" that more or less tracks his every move.

http://hoggwatch.com/

I should have put that in purple...sorry.

Great that you quit I hope you can stay that way!

Too much free time.
Oh, snap! I just went over there to see what the front page looked like. Didn't click a single link.

Damn, Dawg.

That is officially in the 'creep' zip code.

And you are posting the link to the site ...track the lunatics much?

The guy who in this very thread posted an article from Breitbart - a racist conspiracy theory site that had to fire their senior editor, a literal neo-Nazi, for saying that pedophilia was OK - is suddenly worried about posting links from lunatics?

Keep tracking those lunatics...

You seem to relish bringing up peoples past. Past posts, etc. From earlier today, to last month, to years ago.

You do it all the time. What, you keep a log of who said what, and when?

Never started smoking, people would ask if I wanted one. Or at least a hit and I'd say a pack of cigarettes is a busted guitar string not replaced!

That was in the 80's when a pack was less than a dollar.

Nowadays a pack is as much as a whole set of strings, but I don't have a guitar at the moment.

"George Soros must have given David Hogg the publicly available contact information for Arby's executives, as there's no way a 17 year old knows how to use Google" followed by a Breitbart link is pretty unforgettable, especially considering it was like a couple days ago.

Would love to hear your explanation about how this man, former Breitbart senior editor Milo Yiannapoulos, who once published a long missive on Breitbart about how intelligent white nationalists are, and that when they discussed or threatened gassing Jews, they were only joking around, and are worth hearing out, isn't a literal neo-Nazi.





He's also been ejected from multiple bars for leading his friends in Nazi salutes during open mics or karaoke. But it's absolutely lunatic to think he's a literal neo-Nazi, is that correct, Vambo?

Great job of tracking lunatics!

Captains log 2018 PDF tracking lunatics and logging peoples posts...

I don't really need to "track" anything. It was in this very thread, no more than 3 days ago, when you embarrassed yourself with the insane "how did Hogg get those e-mails? Soros must have given them to him!" stuff and then posted a link to Breitbart. There's no need to track something you can literally scroll up the screen to see.

And it was no more than 20 minutes ago when you highlighted green my pointing out that Breitbart had a literal neo-Nazi as a former senior editor that was fired after arguing that pedophilia helps boys become men, in order to insinuate that they didn't. Now that you're finding out they indeed did, you're trying to deflect.