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I doubt Allen is a serious consideration at 1. We're going to take Darnold and if he has a major injury or whatever sometime before the draft, it would probably be Rosen. It's probably not something any of us want to think about, but you have to be prepared for the possibilities.

If all this talk of Allen at #1 is even coming from the Browns (I have my doubts), it's probably with the idea of pumping up the value for the #4 pick, either because Allen is still there or he went 2/3 and a more desirable player/trade opportunity fell to 4.

Yea, Here is hoping that all this talk of taking Allen @1 is smoke and mirrors.

If Josh Allen is really our number 1 pick, I'll really start questioning the Dorsey hire. Probably have a melt down too.

Honestly, I hate the thought of the pick. There's three other good choices. Im so sick of sucking, and Josh Allen could really set us back.

I just have such a bad feeling about this draft. It's depressing. I'm pretty much ABA, anyone but Allen. Rosen will have me dancing. Mayfield will have me dancing. Darnold will have me smiling. Allen will have me furious. It's insane to think how incompetent our organization would have to be to select the guy at 1, let alone 4

I could take Allen #1 if not for the injuies. His progress from senior bowl to proday is tremendous but man the injuries against smaller sized college kids is alarming when he is gonna be facing a Myles Garrett type of body for 16 weeks.

Agreed, I would rather trade out and draft Rudolph later on. Not that I think that we should trade out...we just been waiting since 99...which if you told me that in 99 we would still be waiting on a franchise type QB...I might have given up all together on this sport.

What progress are you referring to? It's not like he had to perform under pressure, which is really the best way to evaluate a QB.

How the heck can you gauge progress in non-game situations? The idea that anything supersedes the flaws on film is nuts.

Of course you can evaluate progress, from the start if senior bowl week till the end of that week, he improved. Inproved stance, improved footwork. Combines showed more improvement and it was cleaned up even more at his proday.

I have this argument every year as folks say u don't imprive after the season but in GM's eyes players do just that.

Mayomes did and he went from 2nd rounder to stolen out from under us with the chiefs move into the top 10 for him.

Game isn't played in shorts and t-shirts but guys are evaluated in them.

How do you know that a player will not revert back to his bad habits under pressure? You can't know.

Exactly, and there's no way to evaluate progress in his decision making on the field. Which sucked too

Yes, Allen's lack of poise in the pocket is imo his biggest red flag.

His play looks a lot like Jake Locker, yet with less consistency.

It's just not high 1st round pick quality

We aren't taking Allen at 1. In my opinion, it will be darnold or Mayfield. I believe we are hyping Allen for the 4th pick. We want to increase the value of that pick to rg3 trade level.

12, 22, 53, 56 would be awful sweet. How bout move down one spot with broncos for their first next year. Hype of Allen is for a reason.

Darnold is our pick, Rosen to Giants, Mafield to Jets and Allen goes 4.

God I hope you're right. I'm counting on it.

I prefer that we stay @4...it's time to start using those picks...not to mention that imo this is not a deep class across the board.

Yes, thanks, I agree...Peter King has been fanning the flames.

Thanks for that reminder, Attack.

Great to see u brother.

Chubb and Quinton nelson are the only guys where there is a big drop from top guy at his position to the 2nd guy.

Once u get out of that top 65, the drop is epic at most positions but there is a boatload of talent in these first 2 rounds.

You have to wonder how different the NFL would be if we had made a vastly different pick in 2004 and went with Roethlisberger instead of Winslow before Pittsburgh could get to him...

I'm still intrigued with the hiring of McCoughlan...

Do you think he convinced Dorsey to draft Mayfield or do you think Dorsey convinced him that there's someone better than Mayfield? Or will there not be a consensus with the pick @ #1?

You say this, but the right fit and winning attitude screams Mayfield to me. I feel like Rosen and Tyrod are two different style quarterbacks.

If we take Rosen, I'm back to thinking how weird it was signing RG3 and drafting Kessler. Nothing would surprise me, however.

I still feel it's down to Darnold or Mayfield.

Allen is simply not a first round pick in my eyes.

Reminder: Josh Allen hasn't even had his private meeting with the team yet.

No rumors are true. If it were true it wouldn't be a rumor.

A rumor could be true, but without verification, there is no way to know.

That's a big one. Private meeting is where they really put them in front of the board test their knowledge and at the end test their recall. That was why he loved mahomes.

With these 4 fairly even, it probably comes down to these private interviews. It's why I haven't eliminated the possibility of Baker.

The team that drafts Allen isn't drafting him for what he's done. They would be drafting Allen on skillset and what he could do.

Its a huge gamble no doubt....it could pay off huge or fail.

Well it better not be us. We've won 1 game in two seasons (and were lucky to win that one). Dorsey can risk his career with some other franchise for all i care.

I've never seen less people in the stands than I did this year in my annual trip to Mecca (Cleveland Browns Stadium). Things have gotta change, folks can't take much more losing.

ABA, anyone but Allen

U know my friend .... if its gonna happen ... its gonna happen ... I can see your BP rising to a near boil through the screen ...

no sense having a stroke now over something that ...

A. More than likely won’t happen .... theres 4 potential .... thats 25% at MOST ...

B. U can’t control .....

Your getting yourself all riled up ... WAIT TIL IT HAPPENS ....

TRUTH is Pete ... we have NO CLUE ... and neither do the so called “pundits” mocking Allen #1 to us or writing the articles about its him or Darnold ....

We FINALLY have PROFFESIONALS running the draft .... there not LEAKING SQUADOOSH .... as it should be ...

Take a deep breath bro ..... exhale .... repeat ..... 10 times ... its gonna be OK .... may as well look at it that way now .... its better than riling yourself up over what at this point is a BIG FAT NOTHING ....

We have an impeccable record for finding failures.

There has to be some reason we are being tied to a couple of players. A reason Dorsey wants.

We hold the #1 pick. He could just come out and say we are taking this guy.

To me it means we are willing to deal the #1 pick. My guess is a 1-2 slot drop with the Giants or Jets. Interest the Jets in jumping the Giants, or interest the Giants to move up to keep the Jets from Jumping them.

The Giants like Darnold. Scare the Giants in to switching positions. Then do it again with the Jets at #3. Scare them that someone like the Broncos are going to move to the #2 position.

Make both of the deals fair enough that you don't scare them away because of price. A 1 slot drop insn't the type of move that you can carry a big club. Be nice. Get a few nice picks and get one of the players you want.

Maybe we have 3 QBs we like and would be willing to take any of the three?

Darnold and Allen have to be linked to one of those teams IMO and we are hoping we can gain some value by dropping 1-2 slots.

I would make either one pay ... Say Giants #1 in 2019 and Jets 3rd rd. 2018 and 1st rd. 2019 ... We still get our QB and top player.

I think the opposite. We are talking a 1 slot drop. Make the Giants pay what it would cost the Jets to move up, then give a discount to make it a easy move for the Giants.

Then turn around and do it to the Jets, afraid some other team is going to jump them.

I am not saying we give things away, but the attitude "make 'em Pay" isn't the best way to actually get teams to move up. I'd be happy to get the turnip. Not see how much blood I could squeeze out of it.

Unless someone tweets a pic of our draft board again...

Josh Allen is in town visiting the Browns today.

I still don't think there is a chance Dorsey takes him at #1.

Cleveland Browns will host Josh Allen on Thursday (today)