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I feel like Regardless of who the pucks are, we will come out with atleast 2 picks that will be here a long time.

I got that feeling with Dorsey. I never got that feeling with Sashi.

We’re going to miss on more than 50% of the picks... just like everyone else.

50% would be about a 40% improvement, so I'll take it

If John grabs two people that can ball it, especially if one is a QB, through rounds 1-2 with the picks we have in them rounds, I'd call it a win. Any other successes would be icing on the cake.

First three picks will be solid Browns for a while. Just my guess.

as long as one of them isn't Allen

I was talking about the entire league, not just the Browns.

Trading for and signing veterans and drafting players successfully are not even close to being the same thing.

yes, i realize. i was being facetious

Him and his staff have a golden opportunity ... short of hiring his own coach he walked into a DREAM SCENARIO ... he best not mess this up ... hate to see him ruin this ...

This is the honeymoon .. and if the posters on this board have proven one thing over the years ... they bend over backwords and give them way to much credit during the honeymoon period ... and this one is no different so far ...

this is not a slam on Dorsey ... some of the guys hes brought in are WAY WAY OVERRATED on this board ... it sounds like some of them dont even know Hubbard has started either ZERO or very few games in the NFL ... they talk like RT’s a done deal and Dorsey just signed the answer when that couldn’t be further from the truth ... what he did was throw whatever he could at that position in hopes of something sticking ... not sure he had another choice .. but like i said ... the board seems to think he found some diamond ... CRAZY CRAZY stuff ...

Me ... i look at his track record and wonder just what hes done thats so special .. in his one and only stint as a GM he took over a pretty talented team with no QB ... he went out and got the QB ... the guy Reid wanted ... other than that .. im not sure exactly what he did .... by the time he left they had LESS TALENT and were in CAP HELL ....

I’m VERY UNDERWHELMED from his first stint ... hopefully hes not hard headed and learned from it ...

Same with the dudes from GB ... when Dorsey was coming up he was part of building a pretty damm good team in GB ...

Wolff and Hightower ... not so much ... GB has DECLINED MAJOR LEAGUE in talent over the last 3 years ...

As usual .. i’ll wait and see ... i know one thing ... WERE LOADED this year ... the time is NOW ... they best not mess this up ... all the ducks are in a row like never before ...

GO GET UM BOYS ...

Can't be much worse than the dolts we've had drafting over the years,,,

I agree. I have said for a long time that if you get 2-3 solid players a draft, you've done well.

To Sashi's credit, we are in a position this draft to maybe get 4-5...way over the curve. That said, I am glad Dorsey will be making those picks.

The way i see it, top first round picks should work out, so we should get 2 solid players with those picks.

Second rounds start to being some risk, so with those 3 picks, 1 or 2 should be come good players, then you usually hit on one of the other later picks.

The degree to which solid player can be defined might vary from person to person, but by solid IMO, it means a starting quality player most teams would like to have on their team.

They cant be WORSE ... the actual picks and how bad the players have turned out can’t be worse ...... BUT what separates this draft from every other is the SHEER QUANTITY of GREAT PICKS coupled with everything else going on with the off season acquisitions and the fact we have a ton of cap space for next year ... this draft can set up our FOUNDATION in an unprecented way ...

We have 1 and 4 in the PERFECT DRAFT for it ... then we have 2 of the top 3 in rnd 2 ... and it looks like a deep ass draft at positions of major need for us ... like CB’s and a decent RB oughta be there ....

So NO they cant be worse .... but as bone pointed out ... THIS IS IT ... this is the ONE based off sheer QUALITY and QUANTITY ....

Couple that with everything else going on ... THIS IS IT!!!!!

Yep, my feeling too. If we miss this one, better close shop and ship the Franchise elsewhere...

100% with you on that bone.....

And how we went about settling on them. I feel so much better about Dorsey dealing with this. I don't want another "Trust me!" from Huey. I did two times. Not so much this time.

Our picks do not need to win games alone on an island. But they have to play harder, faster, and better to win. No advice from that wizard homeless guy rumored to influence picks. But I am eager for the draft. Put Draft day on a loop!

Bottle up Hue until the picking stops. His interviews are bugging me. Take a hike, swim a bit.

Browns coach Hue Jackson says GM John Dorsey hasn’t settled on which quarterback he’ll draft

Published: April 17, 2018 - 3:06 PM
By Nate Ulrich

Beacon Journal/Ohio.com

BEREA: Coach Hue Jackson is convinced no one knows which quarterback new General Manager John Dorsey will draft for the Browns first overall on April 26.

Jackson insisted Tuesday, nine days before the draft, he doesn’t even know.

As a result, the coach said he believes the four top-rated quarterbacks in this class — Southern California’s Sam Darnold, Wyoming’s Josh Allen, Oklahoma’s Baker Mayfield and UCLA’s Josh Rosen — are still in the mix for the Browns.

“I think they all are today,” Jackson said a day after the Browns began their offseason workout program at team headquarters. “I think we have not settled on that yet. When I say this I mean it: John Dorsey and his group, they don’t come up for air.

“This is 24-7, seven days a week, through the weekend. I’ve worked more on the weekends than I ever have to be a part of this, and that’s what John does. There is no detail that we’re going to leave unturned. So there’s a lot of time being spent to get this right.”

So how has Jackson reacted to the rampant rumors about Allen being Dorsey’s favorite QB? Two weeks ago, Sports Illustrated’s Peter King cited an unnamed “friend of Dorsey” who predicted the Browns will pick Allen at No. 1 instead of the longtime presumptive favorite, Darnold.

“I try not to hear them all, but I do get some of them,” Jackson said of the relentless rumblings. “I mean, everywhere you turn that’s what everybody’s talking about.

“I’m not concerned about those things ‘cause I know what goes on here in the building every day. I talk to John Dorsey three, four, five times a day. All kind of things get said.

“I laughed at that. I mean when I say John Dorsey goes dark, he goes dark. Whoever thinks they’re finding John Dorsey, trust me, you’re not finding him. So I think there’s a lot of things that get said that I know that’s not true, and if there was a consensus that John had come to at this point, he would have told me, so I know that’s not the case.”

Jackson, Dorsey, owner Jimmy Haslam and key members of the coaching staff and player personnel department traveled last month to workouts of the top quarterbacks. In the past couple of weeks, the organization hosted all of them for pre-draft visits in Berea.

But Jackson said the franchise’s bigwigs have yet to meet and present their closing arguments to reach a final decision, a call Dorsey will ultimately make.

“I’m sure once we get a chance to sit down and really talk about it all, [we’ll ask each other], ‘What did you see? Where are we alike? Where are we apart at?’ Jackson said.

“We all know that we might draft a player and things don’t go right. That’s just part of it. But at the same time, we have a better chance of making sure we make a right decision than a wrong one.”

Jackson said he hasn’t settled on which QB he would pick.

“Myself and [quarterbacks coach] Kenny [Zampese] and [offensive coordinator] Todd [Haley], we’ve had great dialogue, great conversation, and I think we’re all still going through it, too,” Jackson said. “And there are times they want to pull me in, ‘Let’s talk about it,’ and I’ll say, ‘No, not yet,’ because I want to make sure that I’m sure. I don’t want to be [saying], ‘Well, it’s this one. Well, no, it’s that one.’”

With so many prominent members of the organization involved, agreeing on one quarterback could be difficult for the group. It’s been widely speculated that Dorsey’s favorite is Allen and Jackson’s is Darnold. Consultant Scot McCloughan, a trusted adviser of Dorsey, has been on the record since October saying Mayfield would be his choice.

Yet Jackson is confident they will arrive at a consensus.

“I think when you’ve done all the work together, I think when you’ve traveled to see these guys personally, I think when you’ve had them in the building and have had an opportunity to see them together and talk to them and walk through what we think is very important as an organization and as a scouting department what we’re really looking for, I think it’s going to be pretty crystal clear at the end what’s the best player for us,” Jackson said.

Would it be the end of the world if the decision Dorsey makes isn’t unanimous?

“No, I don’t think so because there are a number of really good players in this draft, and I think in these situations ‘you win your why.’ You know, ‘Why is this the best player for the Cleveland Browns?’” Jackson said. “I’m sure when it comes down to it, that’s what we’ll do.

“You have to be prepared to step up and win that and say why this guy is the best fit for our football team and our organization going forward, and when you do that, it gives everybody a calmness to where you feel like, ‘OK. I see. I understand how he’s looking at this, and why he’s looking at it this way.’

“That’s something that is so important as you go through these processes of putting not just quarterbacks but any player on your team. I think you’ve got to know what are you trying to get out of this player when you put him on the team, what’s going to be the intended use, how are you going to have him perform, what’s going to be around him. I think all those things go into it.”

https://www.ohio.com/akron/sports/browns...back-hell-draft

As soon as hue knows who we are taking Mike silver will be tweeting it.

"Hue, we know you're going to leak the guy to Mike Silver as soon as you know. We will let you know who it is, but not till rookie OTAs. Please go ask Todd and Gregg what you should be doing right now."

They may not have made an 'official' decision, but I have no doubt they know who they're picking. They don't want that to be public knowledge, so nobody is going to say.

Hue Jackson is peppered with questions from reporters trying to get him to slip up, and he doesn't. He maintains the party line that the decision is still unmade.

So the intrepid reporters either don't see that for what it is, or frustrated with being stonewalled, report his quotes as if they are an indication of organizational indecision, or maybe ineptitude on Jackson's part.

Bottom line, in my mind, is that they know who they are picking but they are not saying. And Hue did his job, he didn't tip their hand.

If he truly knows, then why not just say something like, "you'll find out on April 26th" or the more direct "I'm not going to say."

Nobody with a clue expects the GM or head coach to actually say who they're going to draft. Media will ask the question but seriously, how often have you ever heard that question answered?

To say that Dorsey doesn't know who he's going to take... come on.

Yea right.. The board is already set and if its NOT.. We have real problems. They should be working on 5th and 6th rounders by now ..

I'm sorry, I know the Browns have a history of dysfunction, but I have difficulty believing they are so dysfunctional that they know who they plan to draft but are keeping that secret from the Head Coach. Really?! I think they know and I think Hue knows.

Maybe the team wants everyone else to think they are undecided for whatever advantage that gives them. And how Hue chooses to non-answer questions is all him.

How about "Go away"? I just don't know what all his jawing is about.

"Trust me" indeed.

Things we learned from John Dorsey Thursday leading up to the NFL Draft
Browns GM says all options are on the table

DARYL RUITER
APRIL 19, 2018 - 12:15 PM


Berea, OH (92.3 The Fan) – Cleveland Browns general manager John Dorsey didn’t tip his hand Thursday morning regarding where he’s going to go with the first and fourth picks in the 2018 NFL Draft.

Here’s a look at the things we learned from John Dorsey Thursday:

- The NFL Draft is 7 days away and he's confident in their process

"I'm very confident in the processes we are at right now. The draft is 7 days away," Dorsey said, multiple times.

- Even he doesn’t know who ‘friend of Dorsey’ is.

"First of all, who is 'friend of Dorsey?'” Dorsey said, when asked about reports that Josh Allen is the choice at 1. “I go black this time of year. I don't watch TV, listen to the radio or read the newspaper."

- Has gotten calls about No. 1 and 4 but no deals are imminent.

"I'm going to consider all options,” Dorsey said. “I'm going to do what's best for this organization....I still have 7 days...my phone, the power is still on."

- Expects trade talks to heat up on Draft day

"My phone always rings," Dorsey said. "There's been some options that's been presented."

- Saquon Barkley is in play at No 1.

"Why wouldn't I?’ Dorsey said. “The guy's a really good football player. You can't have enough of them on your team."

- He really likes Bradley Chubb of NC State.

"The guy from North Carolina State is a really good football player,” Dorsey said. “If it so happens he becomes a member of the organization, I'd be thrilled to have a guy like that. He fits all the models we talk about. He's a super kid."

- The narratives surrounding Josh Rosen and Baker Mayfield are blown out of proportion

"I've had a chance to be around him in 3 diff environments,” Dorsey said of the UCLA QB. “Every chance I've had to be around him, I've had no problem w/ him. He's very smart, very passionate. He's a broad thinker, now. He's very competitive. Me personally, I'm fine w/ him"

https://923thefan.radio.com/articles/things-we-learned-john-dorsey-thursday-leading-nfl-draft

As Alison Krauss would say..... "You say it best, when you say nothing at all."

From Dorsey's presser...

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‏@ScottPetrak
#Browns John Dorsey on evaluating QB: look for accuracy, strong arm, red zone throwing into tight windows, end of game -- does he win?

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Mayfield much?

It's certainly not Allen. Not that Allen at #1 was ever really going to happen.

Video: John Dorsey Press Conference 4/19

Agreed. I think they're the only two of the 4 early draftees.