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I don't know....and I am just wondering....plus...when it comes to picks..I don't ever believe what GMs say after a draft...they always seem to get the guy they target. Funny how it works out that way! 
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I'm fine w/ Shaffer @ RT... thats kinda how I wanted it anyway... and at RG.. let McKinney, Sowells, and Matua battle it out..
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Since it was said the Browns knew about this for a while....I wonder if this had any impact on our draft??
That WOULD be quite a while.
Are they tested in the offseason?
Is it possible that it dated back to last season? Even considering how much of the end of the season he missed...
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So, if Butler is better than Shaffer... Shaffer could still be better than Thomas? Hmmm...
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I think this suspension could be a blessing in disguise. Thomas now gets an extended look at LT and Schaffer at RT. This seems to be everyone's ideal scenario for our OL. We've got the whole preseason and 4 regular season games to see if it works out. If Schaffer flops at RT then we can open up talks again if we so desire for a starting LT in the NFL.
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I don't know. That's why I asked the question.
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Didn't they say in another article that Tucker knew about this for 5 days? So I can't imagine the Browns knew any longer. Definitely not at draft time.
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I saw someone bring up Shawne Merriman. This is completely different. Merriman was using them during the season to ENHANCE his level of performance.
Tucker used them in the off-season to RECOVER back to his old level of perfomance. If he was using them during the season to enhance his performance that'd be one thing. I can hardly be mad at a guy that was just trying to catch back up to where he was before he had an unfortunate (and completely unavoidable to no fault of his I might add) setback in life. Not just football. Life. It's not like the guy needs them to be good. He was good without them.
Like I said....if he continued using them during the season to enhance his performance that'd be one thing. Life isn't black and white. There's a lot of grey here and there. Let's give the guy a break. He's never been a problem in the past. In fact he's been a class act. So back off.
Now a question that might have some strategic use to the upcoming season....
Could Tuck appeal this and play the first few games? The point had been brought up that our season highly depends on our first few games. Would make sense to have him around at the beginning so we could get a better start. Then when he does get suspended Thomas will already have a few weeks of playing time in actual NFL games. Might be a smoother transition. Then again I'm not sure Tuck would even want to appeal. He admitted his guilt and is accepting responsibility. Just a thought though.
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I saw someone bring up Shawne Merriman. This is completely different. Merriman was using them during the season to ENHANCE his level of performance.
Tucker used them in the off-season to RECOVER back to his old level of perfomance.
Lets don't to justify his reasoning. If we do that, we don't need to rip anyone on other teams who has taken them.
It is kind of like saying that our guy cheated for a good reason.
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I think this suspension could be a blessing in disguise. Thomas now gets an extended look at LT and Schaffer at RT. This seems to be everyone's ideal scenario for our OL. We've got the whole preseason and 4 regular season games to see if it works out. If Schaffer flops at RT then we can open up talks again if we so desire for a starting LT in the NFL.
not to mention.. if Shaffer doesnt do to well, we will have proof, and then it will still be before week 6, and there could possibly be a trade to get someone else.. or a draft pick at that..
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but, but if Shaffer flops how much trade value will he have? Maybe then the 4th or 5th round pick the Giants were offering would be more in line. What if Butler appears to be the better choice at RT and Shaffer is the swing-man? Kevin will be getting a ton of loot to be a back-up. Butler will be getting paid considerably less to start ahead of him. And what about Dorsey, does he back up Thomas or what? Now I'm confusing myself. 
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Didn't they say in another article that Tucker knew about this for 5 days? So I can't imagine the Browns knew any longer. Definitely not at draft time.
There were rumors floating around at least 3 weeks ago that the Browns' FO knew that an OL was about to be popped by a roids test.
I doubt that the Browns knew at draft time, but it's quite possible that Tucker told them about it before they found out the hard way---by listening to ESPN.
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"Since it was said the Browns knew about this for a while....I wonder if this had any impact on our draft?"
The only thing I remember reading is that Tucker found out about this 5 days prior to the 3rd. How would that effect the draft? Why, what did you read? How did the Browns know about it.
From everything I read Tucker took steroids late last year when he was away from the Browns and recovering still from his mental disorder. The blood test took place in March of 07??? Maybe all had to take it??? Still don't see where they told the team when Tucker wasn't told about it till just 5 days prior to 8/3. If you read anything different please Expound...Thanks in advance.
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Again....just throwing out a question...nothing I have read.
Maybe they suspected it??..Seems someone might have seen a real spurt in his progress somewhere along the way. I seem to remember reading a report back after tuck went out he had lost a lot of weight. If in the period of a month or two you notice the guy pick up about 25 lbs, that might be a tip.
In the end, it doesn't really matter.
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Stop with the Mud slinging...I explained my view previously but you are just being IGNORANT about it. Please tell me what correlation with anything Holy does Tucker have to do with BQ.
In your quest to discredit me you are making a fool of yourself 
Why don't you stop while you're behind...before you fall into the black hole...lol 
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"Seems someone might have seen a real spurt in his progress somewhere along the way."
I don't think he was under our care and facilities at the time. I doubt if we got a psychiatric rehab facility in Berea. Honestly Peen I don't think we had much contact day to day with Tucker at the time. And the team never gets notifation prior to the Player.
Oh, and if we knew wouldn't we have had Shaffer at RT and Thomas at LT from the get go like we do now and Tucker is working out with the 3rd team as Butler is with #2. Why would we do this now and not from the beginning - IF WE KNEW. I know you are pulling for straws but I really don't think thats the case. Doesn't add up.
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"I might go up to game time and flip a coin and see which guy might be the starter.
Come on man, you aren't talking to a idiot here.
Somewhere along the way after his primary care was completed and he started his road back to playing the Browns saw something.
He didn't just appear for the first time when training camp opened. I seem to remember reports about Tucker making good progress...and it wasn't exclusively about progress with the voices in his head.
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"Come on man, you aren't talking to a idiot here."
lol  why try so hard then.
Is that a quote btw on a QB controversy about a coin flip??? wasn't in the article above.
Look I know you are into the Conspiracy stuff...but I see none. Substance abuse teams are the last to know.
Why when I pose the reasoning that Shaffer would have been playing RT from the get go if the FO knew about this...wouldn't that be simple proof enough.
How do you get the "IDIOT" remark out of that sound reasoning.
I don't know I seem to be making either too much sense or am being unreasonable.
I think I'll get out of here and come back a later date when things cool off or something.
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Are you in the right thread?? That was in the Friday camp news thread.
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"Come on man, you aren't talking to a idiot here."
lol why try so hard then.
Is that a quote btw on a QB controversy about a coin flip??? wasn't in the article above.
Look I know you are into the Conspiracy stuff...but I see none. Substance abuse teams are the last to know.
Why when I pose the reasoning that Shaffer would have been playing RT from the get go if the FO knew about this...wouldn't that be simple proof enough.
How do you get the "IDIOT" remark out of that sound reasoning.
I don't know I seem to be making either too much sense or am being unreasonable.
I think I'll get out of here and come back a later date when things cool off or something.
later.
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There's nothing behind or "backwards" accept setting double standards. I'm not the one doing that.
If a guy putting on a uniform makes the difference between "Saint and Sinner" it's not "my issue".
Sure,you said Tucker was wrong,but then spendt paragraphs making disclaimers for a "suspendable NFL offense".
Yet Quinn is simply in the midst of a contract negotiation and he's "Satan"?
Now that's funny right there. I don't care why ya are.
I'm not mud slinging Tab. I like you. I like your "optimistic posts" in troubled times.
But this? This is just plain silly.
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Here is the quote pulled from Saints thread since you are confused and in the wrong thread.
It was YOUR quote peen.....it looks as if you are the confused one here....
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What...I suppose I am. That or something funny is being pulled...;) I guess I didn't copy what I thought I did and pasted a quote from a earlier post in another thread. Oh well.
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I know.....the problem is I am more and more seeing what I think I see rather than what is really there.
Bit of a concern to be honest. But that is another story.
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We shouldn't assume that (Thomas) is going to be the starter (at left tackle)," Browns coach Romeo Crennel said. "If Kelly Butler ends up being the best right tackle, then Shaffer could end up competing with Joe on the left side.
Before anyone tries to buy a house with this mess..lets just speak plain english.. I wouldn't assume Thomas will be the starter..I KNOW HE WILL Now the next sentence is pretty good..Butler may just be a better RT than Shaffer is..if thats true , the BACKUP roles will be changed.. Shaffer/Dorsey will be backing up Thomas/Butler.. I do like Dorsey over at RT..
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We haven't heard much about Dorsey.....my feeling is he will struggle to make the final cut.
I think the O-line numbers will be 9-10 roster spots.
You start adding up the names and it gets pretty hard to keep Dorsey on there.
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i like tucker and i want him back week 5. i think he should have to work back to starter though. i dont want him cut thoughg. hes been a solid guy w/ the browns and several seasons been our best lineman. also having JT start is good w/ shaffer at RT. so thats not bad.
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A few years back, Dorsey could have stuck. But in '07, there's a lot more talent waiting in the wings. We can't afford to keep 4 QB's because there's other talent that will need to stick over a 4th string QB.
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A few years back, Dorsey could have stuck. But in '07, there's a lot more talent waiting in the wings. We can't afford to keep 4 QB's because there's other talent that will need to stick over a 4th string QB.
I believe he was talking about Nat Dorsey. By the way I see know way he makes the team. In camp he just looked out of shape and slow, and got toasted every time.
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I know.....the problem is I am more and more seeing what I think I see rather than what is really there.
Bit of a concern to be honest. But that is another story.
Yeah, it's an old age thing.
Plagues me as well.
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I believe he was talking about Nat Dorsey. By the way I see know way he makes the team. In camp he just looked out of shape and slow, and got toasted every time.
Nat Dorsey is horrendous, and I have no clue why he is still on the team. I honestly thought we cut him until I saw his bag butt blocking my view at practice recently.
Personally, I absolutely hate Shaffer at LT, but like him at RT. Barring injury, I think we'll be fine.
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I believe he was talking about Nat Dorsey. By the way I see know way he makes the team. In camp he just looked out of shape and slow, and got toasted every time.
Nat Dorsey is horrendous, and I have no clue why he is still on the team.
I was trying to be as politicaly correct as possible when talking about Nat, but that works too.
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With the loss of Tucker, I think the Browns are a bit thin at players that can play tackle.
Thomas, Shaffer, and Butler are pretty much locks.
I do not expect Dorsey to make the team.
We know that Sowells has played tackle in college, and RAC mentioned that he may still be able to play tackle at the NFL level. Steinbach has played tackle as well, but is generally thought as being better suited for guard.
Shaffer has a clear shot to earn his keep at right tackle. I see the Browns giving him every chance to win the spot. If he does not make the transistion that would not be a good sign.
But I would watch for some movement at tackle position. Perhaps one of the guards bouncing out to tackle either as part of TC or the preseason.
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"Yet Quinn is simply in the midst of a contract negotiation and he's "Satan"?
Satan again in quotes glommed onto me...if you said Condon = Satan I'd laugh and say well I never said Satan but sure can agree with it...lol
But first Diam now you quote me stating BQ is Satan. What is this a contest on who can get their head up BQ's butt farther
Peen - you're the one who put the quote about a coin flip on this thread not me...I'm pretty sure I'm in the correct thread. Its about Tucker right not a QB coin flip. I didn't bring the quote here??? Why say I'm in the wrong thread posting that...you did...lol or am I going crazy 
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What is this a contest on who can get their head up BQ's butt farther
No,but it's much better than playing "Kick the kid to the curb" simply because he is in contract negotiations.
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Is it "much better"? Just asking.
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I think any alternative to pointing the finger,placing blame and being judgemental of someone without knowing all of the facts is "much better". 
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Maybe. But I've read all the posts and everyone is making up scenarios because no one knows anything for sure with all the sketchy tid-bits offered by the media. So a stance for either side is a little iffy and arguementative at best. All that said, had I never done it myself I could make a "holier than thou" claim, but alas...i can't. On this one though I'll take a wait and see. I am as angry as anyone for his hold out. I blame different sides on different days. Sometimes I can see the arguement for both sides. At the end of the day though, I tend to side with the team for reasons I don't care to share. Others have covered them completely so I have nothing to add.
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