DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Palus Politicus Syria chemical attack: McCain says Trump's talk of pulling U.S. troops ‘emboldened’ Assad

Oh...oh...oh...I know...

Do tell.

There was a rebel thing-a-m-jig do-hickey there.

(Always glad to put my self-proclaimed encyclopedic knowledge to work.)

Good point.

The more relevant thing here is...if you have a target of a cash of chemical weapons/manufacturing, then I think someone should be obligated to take them out and find the answer to who used them secondly.

Mad dog is President Trumps right hand man and he knows this to be the proper way to execute this situation.


The attack has been executed, without the response that many said would come from Russia.

There are no further strikes that are expected at this time.

'Trump vows to sanction MORE airstrikes against Syria if Assad dares to use chemical weapons again, as Nikki Haley tells UN Security Council members they have FAILED miserably to tackle his evil regime'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...s.html#comments

One of the comments under the article, interesting:

Every article I've read states quite clearly that we have no proof that Assad used chlorine gas bombs... So we're risking a war with Russia on a hunch? In fact, it makes no sense that Assad did this. Trump said we were pulling our forces out of Syria real soon.... So Assad gasses the rebels and civilians thinking what? That this would make Trump leave faster? What nonsense. That would guarantee that Trump would react just as he did a year ago. Chlorine bombs are cheap and easy to make with readily available industrial chorine canisters.... Ask yourself who benefits if Trump is forced to stay ... and it isn't Syria, Russia or Iran... Now ask who loses if Trump actually did leave? There's your answer..

Because he's embroiled in a civil war in which his oppressed citizens are trying to rebel.

It's kind of a thing with brutal dictators.

There is a civil war going on in Syria, he is gassing the rebels who want to overthrow him. If he kills a bunch of innocent citizens in doing that , he dont care

This poor guy.

Acting as if governments haven’t done atrocious acts on their own people throughout history.

Assad is responsible for about 400,000 deaths so far ... what is there not to understand?

Exactly why he would again use chemical warfare, after being explicitly warned not to, in a battle they were decisively winning. That's what's hard for me to understand. Maybe he didn't take the threats seriously because of Trump's small measures to his last attack? Maybe that's his inlaw's village? I just don't know why they would use chemical attacks after threats of western intervention.

I don't suppose we'll ever know - but my guess is that it is because [1] Trump talked about pulling out of Syria and therefore they felt emboldened. [2] Putin has his hands all over Syria - and his global aim is to undermine democracy and create chaos generally. He's probably looking to start any military conflict he can anywhere in the world so that resources are being used and tied up and exhausted. . . . . certainly that makes more sense than to think it was staged. jmo.

because he has he full backing of Putin now.

So there’s literally no reason for Assad to take the threats seriously.

While the strikes are effective in atleast Showing them we are serious about not allowing governments to use chemical warfare, everyone knows that nothing will stop unless Assad is removed.

That means a full scale war between the US, Syria, Russia, and possibly Iran.

Assad Putin are throwing out the bait.

Will we take it?

Obama went to congress for authorization to strike Syria when Russia was still knee deep in their Crimea drama.

Now there’s a much larger pretense of Russian military there. So Now it’s easy for Putin and Assad to play mind games with the American people and government.

Nobody wants to get into another war, but trump already drew the red line on chemical attacks.

Well....what do we do once Assad uses chemical warfare again?

With the ever raising stakes on Syria, we may be dealing with a "shot heard round the world" situation. It's possible the shot has happened already, but just hard for us experiencing history to know exactly.

you could be right.

i'm simply in awe in how much russian propaganda has evolved. they certainly have cyber warfare and perception on lock right now. no other country comes close.

look what they're doing. framing this to be an unprovoked attack, even going so far as to try and get countries to condemn the attacks in a UN meeting that just happened. with only china and bolivia voting with them.


and it's genius. they know governments around the world aren't gonna buy that crap.

but they know who will: people.

just look at the alt-rights response to the attacks. look at the laura's and the tuckers, and even alex jones's response.

look at how many people are indirectly helping russia's narrative that there isn't any proof that they were to blame for the poisoning in england, or not being any proof that assad used chemicals against his people.

right now the russian's are doing a military response because they don't have to.

they already have hearts and minds on lockdown, especially right here in America.

UI's

Wise words.

Apparently President Trump wanted to hit them harder but his Generals convinced him to be more prudent.

Are they doing nothing in the military arena cause they don't have to or cause there’s really not much they can do when it comes to us? ...

Putin can run his mouth all he wants ... if push comes to shove, we could get him out of Syria almost as fast as we did ISIS ... i don’t see it coming to that ...

All i know is there is NO GOOD SOLUTIONS ... their never really has been and im not sure their ever will be ... all we can do is hope something changes .... centuries of history say it never will ...

Thats the cold hard reality ... i’ve always been for staying out but when we did get involved to get in and out ... Bush changed that .... O didnt get us out ... i hope the Trumpster does .... to bad it got so complicated and just ain’t that easy anymore ...

It’s why they play mind games. As I’ve stated for a long time, it’s no contest between our military and theirs.

But when you wage war in the Middle East, you’re not winning a bombs and bullets war.

Because it isn’t about bombs and bullets. It’s about hearts and minds.

Putin is willing to Sacrifice soldiers in the Middle East if that meant a further decaying of trust between the American people and it’s government.

That benefits Russia in the long term, because if he can bait the US in another war in the Middle East, he will succeed in completely eroding whatever faint traces of trust exist between us and DC. Because then trump would completely betray his base. He promised no more wars, that going into Syria was stupid.

Well, here we are. He’s already catching tons of heat from within his base, despite the fact that he did indeed draw a red line on chemical attacks, and made good on it.

Look at it from a broad perspective. There’s a reason why Putin made sure to further increase military presence in Syria AFTER congress didn’t authorize obama to strike Syria.

Now he holds all the leverage.

You’re right. There are no good decisions. That being said, the decision trump has to make will decide what direction as a country we go into.

Does he decide to make good on his campaign promises and Twitter rants? And not go to war?

Sure, Putin gains more influence, but the American people aren’t further divided than what we currently are.

Or does he decide to engage in Syria?

Sure, in theory, that’s a military win. But what does that do to our country? What message does that send to the people that voted for him? What does that do to our national debt?

Either way, Putin is getting some sort of win. But do we give him a win in the Middle East?

Or do we give him yet another win amongst the American people?

Putin can sleep in as we are doing a great job of decaying all by ourselves.

Back before time began for you, I was growing up in a world where Russia was at it's peak, It was known as the Soviet Empire and it was our equal when it came to Military options.

Nikita Sergeyevich Khrushchev Ruled that empire and in 1961 declared to the Western world that "Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you!"

The Left in this Country began to call for accommodation, keep the peace at any price. Don't anger the Soviets.
Some said it was better to be Red than Dead.
Others said it is far better to live on our knees than die on our feet.

In 1964 a man who would one day be our President gave a speech to the American People...

Let’s set the record straight. There is no argument over the choice between peace and war, but there is only one guaranteed way you can have peace and you can have it in the next second, “surrender.”

Admittedly there is a risk in any course we follow other than this, but every lesson in history tells us that the greater risk lies in appeasement, and this is the specter our well-meaning liberal friends refuse to face that their policy of accommodation is appeasement, and it gives no choice between peace and war, only between fight or surrender.

If we continue to accommodate, continue to back and retreat, then eventually we have to face the final demand “the ultimatum.” And what then?

When Nikita Khrushchev has told his people he knows what our answer will be? He has told them that we are retreating under the pressure of the Cold War, and someday when the time comes to deliver the final ultimatum, our surrender will be voluntary because by that time we will have weakened from within spiritually, morally, and economically.

He believes this because from our side he has heard voices pleading for peace at any price or better Red than dead, or as one commentator put it, he would rather live on his knees than die on his feet.

And therein lies the road to war, because those voices don’t speak for the rest of us. You and I know and do not believe that life is so dear and peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery. If nothing in life is worth dying for, when did this begin just in the face of this enemy?


Or should Moses have told the children of Israel to live in slavery under the pharaohs? Should Christ have refused the cross? Should the patriots at Concord Bridge have thrown down their guns and refused to fire the shot heard round the world?

The martyrs of history were not fools, and our honored dead who gave their lives to stop the advance of the Nazis didn’t die in vain. Where, then, is the road to peace? Well, it’s a simple answer after all.

You and I have the courage to say to our enemies. There is a price we will not pay. There is a point beyond which they must not advance.

Winston Churchill said that the destiny of man is not measured by material computation. When great forces are on the move in the world, we learn we are spirits not animals. And he said, “There is something going on in time and space, and beyond time and space, which, whether we like it or not, spells duty.”

You and I have a rendezvous with destiny. We will preserve for our children this, the last best hope of man on Earth, or we will sentence them to take the last step into a thousand years of darkness.
-Ronald Reagan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDVT-8tUfiE

I see both sides to this. I do not want to be involved in SYRIA nor do I want us to HAVE to be involved in SYRIA, however like you said - Chemical Weapons on innocent civilians are no go. If we allow that to happen, we give up any moral or high standing in the world we think we may have.

Anyone that allows that to go on, well I question their beliefs, their thoughts, and their overall human nature.

I do not want another war, however we cannot allow chemical attacks to proceed. Case closed.

We don't need to be in Syria when we can hit them any time we want from our new base in the Valley of Armageddon, Israel.

My question to this administration about this attack is....

If they knew where these chemical munitions are being manufactured and stored, why didn't they take them out long before Assad or Putin could use them on innocent women and children over and over again? That in itself is very telling of what is really going on right now.

do we know that though? We were told all the chemical weapons were destroyed, remember?

You really think they just found out where these chemical weapon sites are? By who?

By President Obama of course.

Of course. The weakest response is always the easiest to write down.

The Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons sent a team to Syria. Established in 1997 and based in The Hague, the organization is charged with enforcing the Chemical Weapons Convention that bans such arms. As of last fall, it reported that 67,098 metric tons of chemical agents, or 90 percent of the world’s declared stockpile of 72,304 metric tons, had been “verifiably destroyed.”

How did the process work?
First, the Syrian government issued a declaration ostensibly listing its stock of chemical weapons, though some American officials and independent experts were skeptical about whether it was complete. Teams from the O.P.C.W. visited 21 weapon-making sites to confirm that Syria had dismantled or destroyed its equipment; two other sites were considered too dangerous to visit because of fighting, but inspectors believed that they, too, had been taken apart.

he weapons, and chemicals used to make them, were diluted to make the material less dangerous to transport and then loaded onto a Danish ship in the Syrian port of Latakia. That ship, under the protection of Russia and China, delivered the chemicals to an American Navy vessel, the Cape Ray, where the chemicals were neutralized. More shipments followed, and in January 2016, the O.P.C.W. announced that the last of the Syrian stocks had been destroyed.

So did that eliminate the threat?
Not entirely, though by all accounts, it removed lethal weapons that could have caused slaughter and suffering on a huge scale. Even as the O.P.C.W. completed its mission, new reports emerged of scattered attacks in Syria using chlorine and other suspected chemicals.


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Trump is in Mar a lago again.

Imagine someone saying "We don't need to be in Iraq when we can hit them any time we want from our new base in the Valley of Armageddon, Israel" in 2003.

People actually said it 2003. It's mind-boggling that they can still trot it out without embarrassment or shame.

Did he say it or not?

Yeah, not a wise event to look forward to. Or ‘thumb up’.

You have to remember who you're talking to.

He claimed his taxes went from 12% to 25%, yet has given no explanation or reason.

The situation in Syria has been horrific for a long time now, and we shoulder a lot of the blame there.

The Obama administration was vicious and incompetent, and it's only made things worse. Trump is continuing this.

I don't particularly understand many of his supporters glee for this, as Trump ran explicitly on "Obama should've stayed out of there, we have no business there". And, yeah, the "thumbs up" is callous and weird (on top of the laughable absurdity that is "we won't need to invade, we can just bomb from Israel".

For a lot of people, I think all of this is a lobotomized, zero-sum sport or game.

I still look forward to the return of our Lord, sorry you no longer do.

40: This rapist murderer is cool and tough. Also, big thumbs up for perpetual war, it's gonna be a piece of cake and I'm pumped

EVERYONE: Dude, that's bizarre and creepy

40: (solemnly) I am a man of God. It's a shame you all aren't

The word “Armageddon” occurs only once in the Bible, at Revelation 16:16. Prophetically, Revelation shows that at “the place that is called in Hebrew Armageddon,” “the kings of the entire inhabited earth” will be gathered “together to the war of the great day of God the Almighty.”—Revelation 16:14.

Who will fight at Armageddon? Jesus Christ will lead a heavenly army to victory over God’s enemies. (Revelation 19:11-16, 19-21) These enemies include those who oppose God’s authority and who treat God with contempt.—Ezekiel 39:7.

OK, so if I'm following you...we won't get into a perpetual war with Syria, because of vague references in a 2,000-year old text?

When you take into consideration that Trump is a trust fund dunce who views his own knee-jerk reactions as wisdom, and couple it with rationalizations of fundamentalist religion (not unlike the monarchs of Saudi Arabia, et. al.)...

...you get exactly the sort of stuff that's resulted in the Middle East being a smoking nightmare for so long.

Oh I do, don't get me wrong. But a lot of people are going to die that don't know the Lord on that day aren't they?

And for a christian to have such a callous 'my sports team is gonna win!' attitude when talking about the eternal destiny of mens souls is rather sorry also.

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Well I am certainly glad you do.
One can't happen without the other according to Scripture.
It isn't about sports and I did not make the rules.
With 2000 years of spreading the Word and the internet getting the word out like never before, I think the time is nearing.

"Be careful, or your hearts will be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness and the anxieties of life, and that day will close on you suddenly like a trap." Luke 21:34