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I think you are not realizing that the people you are speaking about in disdain and with a snarky tone are a lot more numerous than you are led to believe.

I think you are not realizing that the people you are speaking about in disdain and with a snarky tone are a lot more numerous than you are led to believe.

YES! There is a whole basket full of them!

Difficult to get things changed when you've got the Guns, God, and Government people ruining it for the rest of us intelligent folk.

I think you and I agree on quite a number of things. That said, referring to those you disagree with as not intelligent folk is most certainly not one of them. It can be fun, even cathartic, to claim the high road. But instead you come off as alienating. We have to work together with people who don't live the same lives we do. We have to understand one another.

Why do I live there and put up with it? Because that's where the wife and I are from, and ironically they have a good school system for our kids. It offers that small town safe feeling, and we have fences that keep us from our irritating neighbors.

the only thing ironic is those "non intelligent" people you call, are perfectly ok with teaching your kid, fixing your car, watching your house when your on vacation, helping you move furniture, caring for you kids in your absence, etc. etc.

I really hope you can see the dilemma you are in.

Maybe, just maybe - if they are like that - and have a great school, a safe neighborhood, care for one another, and provide for themselves - maybe just maybe - they are the ones on the correct path, and you not so much. J/S.

I think I'm being misunderstood about the people I'm referring to with Guns, God, and Government people. Those people I'm referring to, are the types of characters you see on Duck Dynasty.

And I don't even know if that's what those specific characters are like in real life, but I use them as a basis for the type of people I'm referring to, and that do exist all over.

I live in rural Ohio, and they're all over the place. They're the types that still have the Trump signs up in their yard, they're the types that have signs still up in their yard that say "Lock her up!" and have an additional sign on their mailbox that says "Bible Repair Business".

It's these types that I am referring to, and yes I consider myself more intelligent than them. I won't ever deny that. I can make that determination 10 seconds into a conversation with them.

But I am not referring to just people I disagree with. I'm not referring to Republicans. I'm not even referring to Trump voters.

I'm referring to that special breed of voter out there that I'm surrounded by in hometown.

Why do I live there and put up with it? Because that's where the wife and I are from, and ironically they have a good school system for our kids. It offers that small town safe feeling, and we have fences that keep us from our irritating neighbors.

So, it's okay for you to generalize a group/party you don't like? Got it.

I'm using the characters on a tv show to paint a picture of what I feel are the Guns, God, and Government type. We all know the controversies Duck Dynasty has drawn up, so that's why I used them as a visual aid. That's all.



So, you admit you don't even know, but still generalize. Got it. If it works for you, so be it. Don't get upset if someone generalizes you though. If you can do it, you need to accept that others can do it.

They were a visual aid only. I said I don't know if those characters are truly like that in real life so that I wasn't accused of believing everything I saw on TV. Again, visual aid only.

I also live in rural Ohio. It's weird. Our Ohio's are different. I drive a fair amount in a 4 county area. I have not seen a Trump sign in over 6, 8 months? I've never seen a 'lock her up' sign that I can recall. And, I have never in my life seen a "Bible Repair Business" sign. I bet you haven't either.

I do know what you are trying to do though. Denigrate and isolate people that don't see things as you do. Nice tactic. Fail.

You want a picture? I'll take one and post it here. Give me a day or two, and you'll get it.

Ego much? You remind me of some family members I have. Out west. Colorado, and Washington. Elitists, all of them (family, that is), from food they eat, to belittling food we eat, and all the way up to gov't.
So, why mention them in the first place?

Dead serious here - I know people that fit your image of rural country folk. I know people that are CEO's, CFO's of national and international companies. I know people that are farmers, factory workers, plumbers, lawyers, nurses, doctors, etc. All races (mainly, here, white and hispanic) Gun lovers and gun haters. Church every Sunday and church maybe once a year.

What's your point?

Oh.yeah. You're more intelligent than the people you disagree with.

But dude .. he gave them 10 ENTIRE SECONDS before he realized his superior intellect ... 10 WHOLE SECONDS ...

no, I don't think. as another poster stated, you are trying to generalize an entire group of people to make yourself feel better about yourself. You want to put down those people - whom you obviously have never even spoken too, or cared to know - in order to justify your own self righteousness. sad.

its attitudes like that towards them, that put trump in the white house. until you can see that, you are going to be very upset with a lot of elections.

not to be mean, but i got people offended at 442 comments who somehow believed - or at the minimum gave some credibility - that obama was a foreign born muslim.

that is an absolute knock on your intelligence.

When he was elected, I walked into work and saw her and another employee hugging each other because they were scared of our "Terrorist President".

And I watched so called "intellects" need days off from work, pizza parties, safety pins, and screaming in tears in the streets when HRC lost?

Do you not think that there are not EXTREMES on ridiculousness on both sides? Funny how quickly you forget the last two years and how people have acted.

They were calling Obama a terrorist. Completely untrue. Their fears were misguided. Tell me one thing that would've led any rational person to believe that Obama was a crappy human being?

The reactions to Trump winning the election were right and just. The man is not fit to be President. Remember him mocking the disabled journalist? Yep, the campaign should've ended there.

Excuse me for having a reaction to a crappy human being elected President. So no, the two situations are not the same.

The reactions to Trump winning the election were right and just.

Tell me one thing that would've led any rational person to believe that Obama was a crappy human being?

ahhh, so calling your guy a name - bad. callig the other guy a name, a ok? Why is that? You don't like trump, fine. No biggie. They didn't like Obama.

Obama wasn't a terrorist. He was a citizen. Trump did mock a disabled journalist. He has cheated on his wives. He does degrade women. These are facts. They're not opinions of mine. How do you not see the difference?

Do you not remember the names they called Bush? Traitor, war criminal, etc. Gimme a break dude. Once again, you guys on this board are perfectly ok to degrade someone you don't like, but cant take it when the show was on the other foot.

I actually don't remember the names that they called Bush. I wasn't horribly upset when Bush was elected. I didn't vote for him, but it was a different feeling. I would never have considered protesting him immediately after the election.

haha, ok. lighting things on fire, riots....yeah right an just! Wow.

Way to take a couple of outliers and make it seem like it was the majority. I don't even remember any riots. If there were riots, point me to the news article. I remember peaceful protests. Like the one my wife went to, the Women's March on Washington, which was perfectly peaceful. Maybe an outlier here and there, but almost entirely peaceful.

dropping 26K+ bombs on innocent people and killing US citizens are a couple things come to mind.

Way to take a couple of outliers and make it seem like it was the majority

willit, if you stopped smoking, you definitely need to starting lighting them up.

guys in the banking industry do way worse than weed anyway.

AHHHHH, and that's not what you just did with people that were not for Obama? finger my man, point one and you have multiple back at you.

I made a point about an actual experience of mine where two people whole-heartedly believed Obama to be a terrorist. I never made the claim that's how all Republicans felt. Nice try though. You were implying that all of us liberals were freaking out and crying when Trump was elected. Saying we took days off work, wore pins, and ate comfort food. Whereas I put my pants on like any other day and went to work.

We both know there's extremes on both sides. So don't take a personal experience of mine and try to pigeon-hole me there.

point im trying to make. For someone with "more intellect" than the rest of us dumb country folk, you fail to see your hypocrisy at every turn.

I'm not getting started on the dumb country folk crap again. I even specifically said that I do not think I'm better than you. I hate your political views, and yet I'd be open to helping you on a personal level any day of the week. As shown in PM's.

cant call Obama a name, but can call mitt romny a thief and polygamist, can call trump a treasonous traitor, and bush a war criminal and dumb, and made fun of his accent and said he cant read. that's all good and dandy.

Not me. I never said any of those things. I never called Trump anything pre-election either. I never thought he was worth my time. So you can't lump me in this wave of name-calling you've got going on there.

ignoring what part, its a fact Obama dropped thousands of bombs and killed many innocent people -even his adamant supporters on here have talked about how bad that was.

What President hasn't dropped a bomb? I'm not saying it's ok to do so, but I'm not going to beat one up over it and not another.

The fact he killed a US citizen without trial -

I actually don't know anything about this. And I don't mean that in an evasive sort of way. I'm going to research it actually because I don't know about it.

How about his defense of the traitor Bo? Anything else?

Again, I don't know what you're talking about. I'll research it.

If you believe the government's role is to protect the rights of it's citizenry, how can they then conspire against the rights of it's citizenry in order to protect the rights of it's citizenry? Do you see what I am trying to get at?

The Cohen raid is just one of many violations of the rights of American citizens by it's government under the guise of protecting American citizens. I can discuss the Cohen case but it was not my intention with this thread.

There is absolutely nothing, nowhere, not in US law, nor in reasonably prudent law texts, that argue that rights are pure. None. The 5th US Congress and their passage of the 1798 Sedition Acts laugh at the idea that they had no ability to restrict free speech for instance, and that was over 200 years ago. It was legislated and signed by many of our founding fathers.

So many keep arguing that the Cohen raid was a rights violation, but no one can explain how.

I can try to explain why I believe it is a violation but I think this is not the proper venue or thread, is it? A simple answer is that the raid could be seen as a violation of both the 4th Amendment and 5th Amendment rights of Cohen.

You are arguing for anarchy, whether you intend to or not. The most free government model would be no government. Unfortunately, your absolution of rights then takes second seat to safety pretty quickly.

The biggest problem with rights absolution is overlap. If a mob boss tells a Hitman to kill someone, his right to free speech is restricted when committing conspiracy to commit murder. Why? Because we prioritize the targets right to life over speech in this case. I do not know how you would rectify that in a rights absolution view, while also punishing the mob boss for his actions.