YOu can joke all you want...I wasn't joking...you site one or 2 fact (supposed facts who is going to check) then you throw in an opinion stated as fact so that you just might have guys believing you.
But what you said about Lamar being the 2nd most NFL ready QB was a bunch of crap. But keep calling me a troll. It doesn't make sense. Just pointing out to the board one of the biggest phonies around...
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Everyone knows Jackson is the fourth or fifth rated QB in the draft and there are a lot of reasons for that. Time will point it out.
This only proves how far people can manipulate stats and twist things to try and make a point that isn't there. Let time show the exact same thing we saw when RG3 came here.
You can't twist or manipulate failure.
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How come no one on the board is hyping up the visit like they did Allen?
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How come no one on the board is hyping up the visit like they did Allen?
Probably 2 reasons:
"Visit burnout" and No one expects us to take him anywhere in the draft.
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How come no one on the board is hyping up the visit like they did Allen?
Cause he can’t hit the broad side of a barn therefore those of us with a lick of football sense WANT NOTHING TO DO WITH HIM ...
Its yours and ed’s Job to pimp your boy ... your the ring leaders ...
PIMP AWAY .... ...
First of all, it is you're, not your
Second, do you like Josh Allen?
If you do that would be interesting since Lamar Jackson is more accurate, but knowing you and having read your posts for a quite awhile, I have a pretty good idea of ONE reason you don't like LJ.
and swish and Ed are not the only ones who do like him, I like him a lot too, just not at #1 or #4
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How come no one on the board is hyping up the visit like they did Allen?
Cause he can’t hit the broad side of a barn therefore those of us with a lick of football sense WANT NOTHING TO DO WITH HIM ...
Its yours and ed’s Job to pimp your boy ... your the ring leaders ...
PIMP AWAY .... ...
First of all, it is you're, not your
Second, do you like Josh Allen?
If you do that would be interesting since Lamar Jackson is more accurate, but knowing you and having read your posts for a quite awhile, I have a pretty good idea of ONE reason you don't like LJ.
and swish and Ed are not the only ones who do like him, I like him a lot too, just not at #1 or #4
How come no one on the board is hyping up the visit like they did Allen?
Probably because they know we won't draft him.
I like Lamar. He is a heck of a player.
His problem is similar to the problem Tebow faced. I made this comment elsewhere. The team that takes Lamar has to let him be the type of QB he is, not the type of QB the team wants.
One of these days when no team can get a "dropback" guy, the NFL will change. Until then, guys who could have been really good at what they do won't get much of a chance.
I hope Lamar does, and he will. He is a good player. It probably won't be with a John Dorsey, Hue Jackson led team.
John seems more old school. Traditional NFL thinking. Hue, well, I best not say anything about that guy.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
How come no one on the board is hyping up the visit like they did Allen?
Cause he can’t hit the broad side of a barn therefore those of us with a lick of football sense WANT NOTHING TO DO WITH HIM ...
Its yours and ed’s Job to pimp your boy ... your the ring leaders ...
PIMP AWAY .... ...
First of all, it is you're, not your
Second, do you like Josh Allen?
If you do that would be interesting since Lamar Jackson is more accurate, but knowing you and having read your posts for a quite awhile, I have a pretty good idea of ONE reason you don't like LJ.
and swish and Ed are not the only ones who do like him, I like him a lot too, just not at #1 or #4
What is the one reason diam doesn't like Lamar.
I didnt say there is only one reason
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I’ve preached ACCURACY from day 1 on this board ... cause i think Jacksons innacurate it must be cause im a racist ... just completely ignore what ive said since day 1 on this board it has to be cause im a racist ... and he didn’t even have the guts to say it ...
kingo dont flatter yourself and think i read u ... lets just say your football takes have never impressed me ... so i have no clue what u think of Jackson or anyone else for that matter ... if your comments here weren’t quoted, I wouldn’t have seen this ...
Later dude ... im not getting into this with u here ... not the place ...
I’ve preached ACCURACY from day 1 on this board ... cause i think Jacksons innacurate it must be cause im a racist ... just completely ignore what ive said since day 1 on this board it has to be cause im a racist ... and he didn’t even have the guts to say it ...
kingo dont flatter yourself and think i read u ... lets just say your football takes have never impressed me ... so i have no clue what u think of Jackson or anyone else for that matter ... if your comments here weren’t quoted, I wouldn’t have seen this ...
Later dude ... im not getting into this with u here ... not the place ...
but answer the question
Do you like Josh Allen?
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Since we're drafting a QB at #1 or #4, what difference does it make?
And inferring someone is a racist, which you did, just because they don't think a later rated QB is that good is uncalled for and doesn't belong in this forum. I disagree with Diam a lot when it comes to politics, but he wants the best QB for our team we can get. It's abvious to almost EVERYONE that LJ isn't that QB.
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Comparing Lamar against Josh Allen. Maybe one of the worst QB candidates I've seen coming out is not going to win many points.
For us to actually have an interest in Lamar can only be for the 64th pick only cause we took a QB at 1...possibly 4. So I see 64 is where I would consider Lamar to be a steal where what the heck we already took a QB but at 64 got to get him there maybe trade him later. Or you never know. An not saying that is where he will go. Just saying for the Browns. Who already took a QB at #1.
Do I think Lamar is better than Josh Allen. At this stage of their game...YES! Do I think Lamar is a candidate for the Browns at #1 or even #4... NO!
jmho I wish him Luck, he seems like a good kid.
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Since we're drafting a QB at #1 or #4, what difference does it make?
And inferring someone is a racist, which you did, just because they don't think a later rated QB is that good is uncalled for and doesn't belong in this forum. I disagree with Diam a lot when it comes to politics, but he wants the best QB for our team we can get. It's abvious to almost EVERYONE that LJ isn't that QB.
but the difference is I also have conversed with Diam for a long time , I would say that most likely ONE of his reasons for not liking LJ is racism, or at least racial bias.
But be that as it may, I am not sure where you are getting this "almost everyone" ? Got a little confirmation bias going on there ? But really, I couldnt care less if I am in the minority opinion group on LJ. I lke him a lot and think he will be a huge star in the NFL. I woukd be thrilled if we end up with him .
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“That’s one guy I really am intrigued with because he can spin it and he’s been in a pro-style offense and he’s been hard coached by Bobby (Petrino),” he said. “He brings that unique skill-set, and it makes me look back at Vince Young. Vince could beat you and he was a heck of a leader. I don’t know why it didn’t work out for him, but listening to him now, telling his story, he’s like, ‘I didn’t put the time in.’ “I think Lamar puts the time in. He’s going to get better, and he just brings that unique ability to break the game open with his legs.” If Jackson is available when the Cardinals pick at No. 15, Arians says they should snag him and not look back. “Because he does it. He sits in there and flips it up the field,” Arians said. “He’s been in a pro-style offense. He’s more of a scrambler with designed runs. I don’t think I’d design runs for him. I would just let him, a la Russell Wilson, take what’s there, and whoosh, take off running.”
Good article for those actually interested in the football acpect of Lamar's fit in an Erhardt-Perkins offenses...if not interested in a discussion about this...don't @ me. lol
“We met him at the combine — very impressive,” he said at the league meetings during breakfast. “He came in, one of the interviews we had. Great skill set as you know. I think he’s smart with the things he articulated in the room, but we are wide open in our process.”
Lamar Jackson's popularity is continuing to rise. Rapidly. Sources with teams that have interviewed the Louisville quarterback in the weeks after the combine tell B/R they have been impressed with his intelligence and football acumen.
The sources also believe the Patriots are the team most interested in Jackson.
“I like him. I like him. He’s athletic. He’s got a magic smile to him. He’s a leader,” Payton said. “With Lamar, you feel it in the room and you can tell he can lead. He’s a special guy. You just have to be around him, interview him, and you can see why he was successful.”
At this point, I don't see any scenario which ends in the Browns showing marked improvement in their win total next year, that includes throwing away one of their early first round picks on a defensive front 7 player,
because they already have talent and depth on the roster.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
Well if we are being Honest...I wouldn't take either one.
Not at 1 ...
If we were at 15 and they were the only two choices who would u take? ...
How bout we make that at 33...not 15 one it would make the pick a little more in the realm of a prospect to develop. In that case I would take Allen, mostly cause I think Lamar would be very one dimensional as I don't see him learning any systems he would be a one trick pony and unfortunately it would have him taking too many hits.
Remember that study on Mobile QBs back in like 2000 where I claimed Cunningham was high in being sacked. Well Lamar would have to leave the pocket to become successful and once you leave the pocket you eliminate many rules to protect the QB and you most certainly get hit a lot.
Allen is smart I think also more Coach Able for different systems and would not be a one dimensional QB. I think Accuracy they are very similar with Lamar having an edge there.
But as said I would want neither if forced to make a choice I guess I would say Allen. I gave the reasons just to eliminate those who might think eotab is a racist...lol
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Originally Posted By: PFF By Steve Palazzolo • Apr 16, 2018
Lamar Jackson doesn’t work through progressions: False
Jackson has no problem sitting in the pocket and surveying the field. In fact, he had the second-highest percentage of passes in which he got to a second/third read in the class, and he had the fourth-highest accuracy percentage among the 10 quarterbacks with advanced charting. That’s a huge upgrade from his overall accuracy that ranked 10th, showing that working through multiple reads and throwing accurately is the least of Jackson’s problems.
Jackson just runs around and scrambles: False
Let’s start with the rushing yards. Jackson’s gaudy rushing totals stemmed mostly from his ability in the designed running game, they weren’t the result of broken pass plays. He gained 73 percent of his career rushing yards on designed run plays, while only 27 percent came on scrambles. Last season, 22.4 percent of Jackson passing attempts came outside the pocket, a number that ranked only 15th in the draft class. He’s looking to pass first, and run second, but when he did break the pocket, he posted the second-highest PFF grade in the draft class. Jackson’s athleticism is a legitimate weapon at the next level, but the idea that he’s merely a runner who might pass the ball is simply false.
Originally Posted By: PFF By Steve Palazzolo • Apr 16, 2018
Lamar Jackson doesn’t work through progressions: False
Jackson has no problem sitting in the pocket and surveying the field. In fact, he had the second-highest percentage of passes in which he got to a second/third read in the class, and he had the fourth-highest accuracy percentage among the 10 quarterbacks with advanced charting. That’s a huge upgrade from his overall accuracy that ranked 10th, showing that working through multiple reads and throwing accurately is the least of Jackson’s problems.
Jackson just runs around and scrambles: False
Let’s start with the rushing yards. Jackson’s gaudy rushing totals stemmed mostly from his ability in the designed running game, they weren’t the result of broken pass plays. He gained 73 percent of his career rushing yards on designed run plays, while only 27 percent came on scrambles. Last season, 22.4 percent of Jackson passing attempts came outside the pocket, a number that ranked only 15th in the draft class. He’s looking to pass first, and run second, but when he did break the pocket, he posted the second-highest PFF grade in the draft class. Jackson’s athleticism is a legitimate weapon at the next level, but the idea that he’s merely a runner who might pass the ball is simply false.
except for the read option runs, I saw him standing in the pocket and going through progressionsa and either throwing great passes or take off running . This guy is every bit as much of a passer as any of them, plus he has a talent that they do not
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Yeah - he went through his progressions really well against LSU and Miss St. the only 2 teams with any defense he actually played.
Refresh my memory, how many teams with top defenses has he actually done well against and beat.
Beating another team is not done by the QB, it is done as a team. Your argument is ridiculous.
SO by your logic Darnold must really suck because look what Ohio State did to them in their bowl game , and Rosen sucks because UCLA was not very good .
LJs passing numbers are right there, if not better than the other top QB prospects
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Yeah - he went through his progressions really well against LSU and Miss St. the only 2 teams with any defense he actually played.
Refresh my memory, how many teams with top defenses has he actually done well against and beat.
Beating another team is not done by the QB, it is done as a team. Your argument is ridiculous.
SO by your logic Darnold must really suck because look what Ohio State did to them in their bowl game , and Rosen sucks because UCLA was not very good .
LJs passing numbers are right there, if not better than the other top QB prospects
Yeah, that's an odd/spurious 'argument' that only stands out as silly in the face of the actual information about Lamar's skillset.
I don't understand the reluctance to actually talk about the prospects. Especially when it comes to Lamar Jackson the negative views expressed are drive by-troll takes that don't actually address or discuss any of the facts about his game. The only critical "discussion" is based on stereotype assumptions about the 'type' of player he is.
Another poster summed up my view on Lamar in a nutshell: Based on passing alone Lamar is either right there with the 'top' passing prospects. He's isn't that far behind Rosen as passer. But the delta in playmaking between Lamar Jackson and the rest of the prospects is like the Grand Cannon.
For whatever reason, Louisville games were always on in the morning when I was out West, so I caught 6-7 of Jackson's games in the last 2 years. There's a lot of misconception about his game, and he doesn't get nearly enough due.
If he goes to the right situation, I think he'll be the best QB in this draft.
He's my #2 behind Rosen, and I wouldn't be shocked if he ended up a Patriot.
For whatever reason, Louisville games were always on in the morning when I was out West, so I caught 6-7 of Jackson's games in the last 2 years. There's a lot of misconception about his game, and he doesn't get nearly enough due.
If he goes to the right situation, I think he'll be the best QB in this draft.
He's my #2 behind Rosen, and I wouldn't be shocked if he ended up a Patriot.
Agreed about the misconceptions. He's my top rated QB in this draft class. I think the delta between him and Rosen in the passing game is small compared to the delta in their playmaking abilities.
I have Lamar with a similar grade to Watson. I actually think Lamar has a stronger arm and is more dynamic and durable and has more familiarity with pro-concepts then him. But Watson has rare poise and was a clutch performer.
Based on the rhetoric from his detractors in this thread they will be shocked to see where he's drafted since most have been saying he's 3rd-5th round QB/WR, lol.
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