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They dont like two things u did ...

1. Ask for actual details ... they live on the broad sweeping statements ... not fans of details ...

2. Asked questions ... their immune to them ... Saul would be proud of them they are all great students of his ...

I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting on a response ...

This is the equivalent of a high school crush saying she might go out with you if you stop calling. What a joke.

He owns, controls or manages a bunch of stuff...

Sentient Jets LLC (Now/Known/As Trump Jets LLC)
T International Realty LLC (dba Trump International Realty)
The Donald J. Trump Foundation, Inc.
The Trump Corporation
The Trump Follies Member Inc.
The Trump Equitable Fifth Avenue Company
Trump 106 CPS LLC
Trump 55 Wall Corp
Trump 767 Management LLC
Trump 845 LP LLC
Trump 845 UN GP LLC
Trump 846 UN MGR Corp
Trump 846 UN MGR LLC fka 845 UN LLC
Trump AC Casino Marks LLC
Trump AC Casino Marks Member Corp
Trump Acquisition Corp.
Trump Acquisition, LLC
Trump Books LLC
Trump Books Manager Corp
Trump Brazil LLC
Trump Briarcliff Manor Development LLC formerly Briar Hall Development LLC
Trump Canadian Services Inc
Trump Canouan Estate LLC
Trump Canouan Estate Member Corp
Trump Caribbean LLC
Trump Carousel LLC
Trump Carousel Member Corp
Trump Central Park West Corp
Trump Chicago Commercial Member Corp
Trump Chicago Commercial Manager LLC
Trump Chicago Development LLC
Trump Chicago Hotel Member Corp
Trump Chicago Hotel Manager LLC
Trump Chicago Managing Member LLC
Trump Chicago Member LLC
Trump Chicago Residential Member Corp
Trump Chicago Residential Manager LLC
Trump Chicago Retail LLC
Trump Chicago Retail Manager LLC
Trump Chicago Retail Member Corp
Trump Classic Cars LLC
Trump Classic Cars Member Corp
Trump Commercial Chicago LLC
Trump Cozumel Corp
Trump Cozumel LLC
Trump CPS Corp
Trump CPS LLC
Trump Delmonico LLC
Trump Development Services LLC
Trump Development Services Member Corp.
Trump Drinks Israel Holdings LLC
Trump Drinks Israel Holdings Member Corp
Trump Drinks Israel LLC
Trump Drinks Israel Member Corp
Trump Education ULC
Trump Empire State, Inc.
Trump Endeavor 12 LLC
Trump Endeavor 12 Manager Corp
Trump EU Marks Member LLC
Trump EU Marks Member Corp
The Trump Entrepreneur Initiative LLC (fka Trump University CA LLC)
Trump Ferry Point LLC
Trump Ferry Point Member Corp
Trump Florida Management LLC
Trump Florida Manager Corp.
The Trump Follies LLC
Trump Fort Lee LLC
Trump Fort Lee Member Corp
Trump Golf Acquisition LLC
Trump Golf Coco Beach LLC
Trump Golf Coco Beach Member Corp
Trump Golf Management LLC
Trump Home Marks
Trump Home Marks Member Corp
Trump Ice LLC
Trump Ice Inc
Trump Identity LLC
Trump Identity Member Corp
Trump International Development LLC
Trump International Development Member Corp
Trump International Golf Club LC
Trump International Golf Club Scotland Limited
Trump International Golf Club Inc.
Trump International Hotel and Tower Condominium
Trump International Hotel Hawaii LLC
Trump International Hotels Management LLC
Trump International Management Corp
Trump Kelowna LLC
Trump Kelowna Member Corp.
Trump Korean Projects LLC
Trump Las Olas LLC
Trump Las Olas Member Corp
Trump Las Vegas Corp.
Trump Las Vegas Development LLC
Trump Las Vegas Managing Member LLC
Trump Las Vegas Managing Member II LLC
Trump Las Vegas Marketing and Sales LLC
Trump Las Vegas Member LLC
Trump Las Vegas Member II LLC
Trump Las Vegas Sales & Marketing Inc.
Trump International Hotel & Tower Las Vegas Unit Owners Association
Trump Lauderdale Development 2 LLC
Trump Lauderdale Development LLC
Trump Management Inc
Trump Marketing LLC
Trump Marks Asia Corp
Trump Marks Asia LLC
Trump Marks Atlanta LLC
Trump Marks Atlanta Member Corp
Trump Marks Baja Corp
Trump Marks Baja LLC
Trump Marks Batumi LLC
Trump Marks Batumi Member Corp
Trump Marks Beverages Corp
Trump Marks LLC
Trump Marks Canouan Corp
Trump Marks Canouan LLC
Trump Marks Chicago LLC
Trump Marks Chicago Member Corp
Trump Marks Cozumel Corp
Trump Marks Cozumel LLC
Trump Marks Dubai Corp
Trump Marks Dubai LLC
Trump Marks Egypt Corp
Trump Marks Egypt LLC
Trump Marks Fine Foods LLC
Trump Marks Fine Foods Member Corp
Trump Marks Ft. Lauderdale LLC
Trump Marks Ft. Lauderdale Member Corp
Trump Marks Golf Swing LLC
Trump Marks Golf Swing Member Corp
Trump Marks GP Corp
Trump Marks Holding LP (FKA Trump Marks LP)
Trump Marks Hollywood Corp
Trump Marks Hollywood LLC
Trump Marks Istanbul II Corp.
Trump Marks Istanbul II LLC
Trump Marks Jersey City Corp.
Trump Marks Jersey City LLC
Trump Marks Las Vegas Corp
Trump Marks Las Vegas LLC
Trump Marks LLC
Trump Marks Magazine Corp
Trump Marks Magazine LLC
Trump Marks Mattress LLC
Trump Marks Mattress Member Corp.
Trump Marks Menswear LLC
Trump Marks Menswear Member Corp
Trump Marks Mortoaoe Corp.
Trump Marks Mtg LLC
Trump Marks Mumbai LLC
Trump Marks Mumbai Member Corp
Trump Marks New Orleans Corp
Trump Marks New Orleans LLC
Trump Marks New Rochelle Corp.
Trump Marks New Rochelle LLC
Trump Marks Palm Beach Corp
Trump Marks Palm Beach LLC
Trump Marks Panama Corp
Trump Marks Panama LLC
Trump Marks Philadelphia Corp
Trump Marks PhiladelPhia LLC
Trump Marks Philippines LLC
Trump Marks Phil ippine s Corp
Trump Marks Products LLC
Trump Marks Products Member Corp
Trump Marks Puerto Rico I LLC
Trump Marks Puerto Rico I Member Corp
Trump Marks Puerto Rico II LLC
Trump Marks Puerto Rico II Member Corp
Trump Marks Punta del Este LLC
Trump Marks Punta del Este Manager Corp
The Donald J. Trump Company LLC
The Trump Marks Real Estate Corp
Trump Marks Real Estate LLC
Trump Marks SOHO License Corp
Trump Marks SOHO LLC
Trump Marks South Africa LLC
Trump Marks South Africa Member Corp
Trump Marks Stamford Corp
Trump Marks Stamford LLC
Trump Marks Sunny Isles I LLC
Trump Marks Sunny Isles I Member Corp.
Trump Marks Sunny Isles II LLC
Trump Marks Sunny Isles II Member Corp.
Trump Marks Tampa Corp
Trump Marks Tampa LLC
Trump Marks Toronto Corp
Trump Marks Toronto LLC
Trump Marks Toronto LP (formally Trump Toronto Management LP)
Trump Marks Waikiki Corp
Trump Marks Waikiki LLC
Trump Marks Westchester Corp.
Trump Marks Westchester LLC
Trump Marks White Plains Corp
Trump Marks White Plains LLC
Trump Miami Resort Management LLC
Trump Miami Resort Management Member Corp
Trump National Golf Club Colts Neck LLC
Trump National Golf Club Colts Neck Member Corp
Trump National Golf Club LLC
Trump National Golf Club Member Corp
Trump National Golf Club Washington DC LLC
Trump National Golf Club Washington DC Member Corp
Trump Ocean Manager Inc.
Trump Ocean Managing Member LLC
Trump Old Post Office LLC
Trump On the Ocean LLC
Trump Organization LLC
The Trump Organization, Inc.
Trump Pageants, Inc.
Trump Palace Condominium
Trump Palace/Parc LLC
Trump Panama Condominium Management LLC
Trump Panama Condominium Member Corp
Trump Panama Hotel Management LLC
Trump Panama Hotel Management Member Corp LLC
Trump Parc East Condominium
Trump Park Avenue Acquisition LLC
Trump Park Avenue LLC
Trump Payroll Chicago LLC
Trump Payroll Corp.
Trump Phoenix Development LLC
Trump Plaza LLC
Trump Plaza Member Inc. fka Trump Plaza Corp.
Trump Procida Fort Lee LLC
Trump Productions LLC (former Rancho Lien LLC)
Trump Production Managing Member Inc
Trump Project Management Corp.
Trump Properties LLC
Trump Realty Services, LLC (fka Trump Mortgage Services LLC (03) & Tower Mortgage Services LLC)
Trump Restaurants LLC
Trump RHF Corp
Trump Riverside Management LLC
Trump Ruffin Commercial LLC
Trump Ruffin LLC
Trump Ruffin Tower I LLC
Trump Sales & Leasing Chicago LLC
Trump Sales & Leasing Chicago Member Corp
Trump Scotland Member Inc
Trump Scotsborough Square LLC
Trump Scotsborough Square Member Corp.
Trump SoHo Hotel Condominium New York
Trump Soho Member LLC
Trump Toronto Development Inc
Trump Toronto Hotel Management Corp.
Trump Toronto Member Corp. (formaly Trump Toronto Management Member Corp)
Trump Tower Commercial LLC
Trump Tower Condominium Residential Section
Trump Tower Managing Member Inc
Trump Village Construction Corp.
Trump Vineyard Estates LLC
Trump Vineyard Estates Manager Corp.
Trump Vineyard Estates Lot 3 Owner LLC (fka Eric Trump Land Holdings LLC)
Trump Virginia Acquisitions LLC (fka Virginia Acquisitions LLC)
Trump Virginia Acquisitions Manager Corp
Trump Virginia Lot 5 LLC
Trump Virginia Lot 5 Manager Corp.
Trump Wine Marks LLC
Trump Wine Marks Member Corp.
Trump World Productions LLC y LLC
Trump World Productions Manager Corp
Trump World Publications LLC
Trump/New World Property Management LLC
Trump Castle Management Corp
Trump Marks White Plains Corp
Trump RHF Corp
The Donald J. Trump grantor Trust – DJT is the Trustee Successor – Trustee is Donald J. Trump, Jr.
The Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust

You called him "one hell of a negotiator" (he's awful at it, which is why he's always been suckered into overpaying for all of his properties and ends up underwater) and said that he had "great business acumen" (which, as has been detailed at length, he isn't - he's a trust fund kid who took a pile of money and burned it)

You did indeed admit that he's unethical.

The "great work ethic" thing is new and utterly laughable. Are you kidding me? Trump has to be one of the laziest people on the planet.

He's been president, what, over a year now? And he still hasn't bothered to learn any aspect of his job? He watches FOX and screams at the TV until 11 am every morning, and if he's extras fussy about people on the TV being mean to him, his aides whisk him to the golf course.

Work ethic? Are you kidding me?

I love how even after seeing the specific details of how banks basically forced Trump to stop reaching agreements and sign his company over to a bank trust because he was so hilariously bad at trying to pretend to be a real estate executive, they still have to force themselves to swallow the fiction that he's some kind of sharp business mind, because without that, all that's left is cranky racism.

How would we ever know? Thats quite a spread.

We could bet.....Is there an over/under?

Apparently

He had to file his financials in order to run ... their public record ... he said hes worth10 billion .. ive seen others say as low as 3.5 .. thats why i say 3 - 10 ...

The fact the press has not trashed him for this tells me hes worth one hell of a lot of money ...

Appearantly taking things in context isn’t one of your strengths ... showing my posts alone doesn’t put them in any sort ot context ... but then if u did that you’d prove yourself wrong and we cant have that now can we mac ... ....

Was O under some kind of college transcript audit and his lawyers advised against him showing them? ... *LOL* .... thats Willies bone not mine ....

Guess your like swish .... u would ignore your lawyers advice about what u should and shouldn’t do .. thats not a strategy I agree with .... once again mac, to each there own ...

Someone is now desperate to salvage some semblance of a point by speculating on things he actually has no clue about (and no way of "knowing") while hiding from the few facts that are known and can be verified.

It's a shame that the President doesn't have a schedule and as such these things can't be verified...

Huh?

There absolutely is a way of knowing. It's recorded in a daily log, down to the minute. The White House has taken to calling it "executive time", and it's the 7-11 a.m. window every day where Trump sits in his bedroom watching "Fox & Friends" while screaming on Twitter about how people are being unfair to him.

There are also numerous logs and corroborated reporting showing that when Trump gets especially fussy and angry at the TV, his aides will whisk him away for an unplanned golf trip to keep him from embarrassing himself with angry tweets.

Also, I laughed at "salvaging some semblance of a point". My entire point in this thread was that Trump is a trust fund moron and was terrible at trying to act like a businessman. I've more than proven my point. You're the one who wilted from "at least Trump had a real job" to "OK, maybe he never had a real job, but he signed people's paychecks".

Did u get the answer to ANY of your questions yet Willie ..... it was a rhetorical question ... ...

Remember ... they hate questions ... especially ones with details in them .... there avoided like the plague ...

It leads directly to the insult/deflect portion of their Saul handbooks .... pages 53 - 62 i believe ...

Here comes the guy who went from "you gotta hand it to him, Trump is one hell of a negotiator and has GREAT business acumen" to "OK, *maybe* the banks did indeed have to take over his business because he was so bad at it, but I merely said *if* he was worth 1-4 billion, I didn't say he *was* a great businessman..." in a span of 12 hours to talk about facts and details.

I didn't know what Diam was talking about with his weird ramble about "avoiding" Willie's questions, so I scrolled up. I can't stop laughing.



The piece of paper where he claimed to be worth $10 billion dollars, with his last name being worth $3 billion alone?

Laughing out loud at Willie asking "did you *see* the piece of paper the senile pathological liar released saying he was worth $10 billion? Do you *understand* that a piece of paper filled with complete nonsense is more illuminating than federal tax records?"



All of their respective campaigns outside of president, for one.

Clinton also had several shady LLC's with multiple employees, that were heavily scrutinized by Rush Limbaugh in 1991.

In 1992, Obama formed his first LLC, and later became ownership partner in a private Chicago law firm.



The answer to all 3 questions is yes.

Seriously, these were the questions that Diam kept rambling on about Saul over?

Jesus, you guys embarrass yourselves when you get red and mad. Just take the L and move on.




The softball answer is all of their respective political campaigns, but Bill Clinton had several Shell LLC's with employees. The GOP was hell bent on investigat

Also..."OK, maybe Trump was like Billy Madison, but..?" is the grand argument you guys were pretending were hard hitting questions people were avoiding?

For anyone who wants a good laugh, check out the insane "financial report" Trump released where he claimed to be worth $10 billion, that Willie embarrassed himself trying to argue was more illuminating than a federal tax return:

http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trumps-10-billion-financial-disclosure-report-2015-7

The funnniest prt is that this entire thread was started because it was revealed that Trump has always been next to broke, but spent all of his time and energy trying to lie about how he wasn't...and then Willie comes out with "Do you understand the importance of Trump claiming he's worth $10 billion? Can you comprehend that?"

The disclosure form contends that Trump's name - not any holdings or properties or licenses - is worth $3 billion alone...and he's actually trying to make it sound like him getting duped into believing it makes *him* the guy in the know.

Watching people drowning while trying to explain away the fact that the guy that thought was some business shark is actually Billy Madison minus the charm has been quite a treat.

Us: "Trump is not a billionaire. He's deeply in debt. If he was an average businessman he would be a billionaire."
TDS Carriers: "You think it's easy to be a billionaire? Not everyone can do it! Just look at Donald Trump. He turned a billion dollar loss in the 90's to 3-10 billion dollars! That's not easy."
Us: "Yeah, it's unbelievable."
TDS Carriers: "I know right. He's a genius, he told me so himself."

Imagine how exhausting it must be trying to argue that a guy who was given $80 million dollars in 1980 and turned it into $5 million and a mountain of debt so deep that his lender forced him to sign away his decision making rights by 1990 is some kind of business genius.

His negotiating skills that forced the USFL into direct competition with the NFL, as an attempt to get into a legal battle in which, the NFL would be forced to absorb some USFL teams. This of course was years after bragging about how buying an NFL would be a lateral move.

The USFL is peak dumb Trump, but he was always best known for being so easy to dupe that it was almost unbelievable.

It got to the point where in the 1980's, it was common knowledge that if you had a building worth like $2 million, you could goad Trump into paying like $10 million just by saying things like "Of course, a really smart person would pay $10 million, and you're very smart aren't you Mr. Trump? And a snazzy dresser, get a load of that tie!"

And these guys somehow got tricked into thinking he was "one hell of a negotiator" with "GREAT business acumen".

I simply want him to be held accountable to the same standard as every other president has for decades.

And BTW- Diam, my posts have been pretty basic posts on this topic.

Everyone can easily see which one of us is throwing a TDS tantrum in this thread and it's not me.

Also, the IRS told him it was fine to release his taxes.

If there's nothing to find in his taxes, why not release them? Like I said, if he's innocent of anything, why not act like it.

Now go ahead and throw another tantrum diam. All you know how to do is rant and pretend you're so superior. You're not.

And just for reference, it's menSas, not menZas. I mean if you actually want to look like you might be smart. lmao

When Diam gets red-faced and flustered because his argument got laughably dissected, his go to is to try and pretend like he's on some higher level of thinking that other people can't comprehend.

All in the service of flailing in a failed attempt to argue that a trust fund simpleton who was born on third base and got picked off is some kind of intelligent businessman.

Because otherwise all that's left is the impotent fury of a dude who's terrified to step foot into Times Square because there's black people there now.

My questions were very simple, not at all derogatory and I felt deserved an honest answer. I see the reason why some people get argumentative and hostile at times. Things then tend to escalate. I get it.

But when you ask simple questions the only reason for such responses are to avoid having any constructive dialogue.

Here were the basic questions......

1. Why should Trump be excused from the same standards every presidential candidate has followed for decades now by releasing his taxes?

2. If he's innocent of all wrongdoing, what does he have to hide?

3. Why would his attorney tell him not to release his taxes if there's not something he feels should be hidden?

Now I don't believe those questions deserve some off in left field rant as a response. I don't think asking those basic questions mean that you hate anyone. I do think some crazy rants is a way to avoid addressing those questions though.

He shouldn't.



He's an idiot who blew through his trust fund, and he wants to preserve the absurd lie he's always tried to cultivate about him being a billionaire who is savvy.



Because that never happened.

So u listen to the authorities over your lawyers also ... good to know ... pretty smart move ... ....

Here is Diam, in his own words, describing a man who took $80 million in loans and turned it into a mountain of debt so large the bank made him relinquish the right to run his own business:

reliquish the right to run his own business?

from the facts, they didn't even allow him to run his own life. they had to put him on an allowance like a teenager.

He went to them begging for a loan, and they were like "Alright, we're too far into you money-wise to say no, but if we bail you out, you're not allowed to conduct business anymore, because you're exceptionally and terribly bad at it".

And not only can Diam not take the L and admit "OK, he's a trust fund weirdo, but I dig his racism", but he's so insecure that he has to try and go next level with "You people are peons who don't understand the genius of a man who sets fire to money".

Nah...I wasn't actually expecting any either.

He can't address actual facts and must resort to typical fact-deflecting rhetoric. I'll take my foot off his throat now and exit this thread as he's been exposed as simply an unhinged Trump-hater unable to recognize reality or support his own argument with facts. I've schooled numerous folks such as that guy. He's basically coming to a gun fight with a cupcake and just found that out.

I'll consider my efforts here as "Mission Accomplished".

Next up? The guy who claimed that his tax liability would actually INCREASE under the new tax law. Should be fun.

I'm not sure that's how banks work. He was too far into the bank/s so they said they'd bail him out?

I'm not a banker, but that's not typically how banks work, I think. If that's truly the case, my guess is the banks saw something that made them think "Hey, we'll give the guy more money, because 1 way or another, we'll get ours, plus interest, back."

I don't know...

Scroll up in the thread.

Trump had to sign over decision making because he was so bad at making deals. The banks made him sign over his business (decision-making wise) because they were worried they wouldn't get their money back plus interest if he kept trying to pretend to be a businessman.

I answered every one of your questions. None of them made any point.



I burst out laughing.

You actually tried to argue that the insane financial disclosure form where Trump claimed to be worth $10 billion was more instructive than a federal tax return.

Here it is:



The funniest part is that you tried to frame it in a "do you understand?" type fashion.



You flat out and completely embarrassed yourself.

"Take my foot off his throat"? Seriously? You melted down in this thread in hilarious fashion.

You went from "at least Trump had a real job" to "OK, maybe Trump never had a real job, but did Clinton or Obama ever sign a non-taxpayer funded paycheck?" to "OK, maybe Clinton and Obama signed non-taxpayer funded paychecks, but Trump said he was worth $10 billion, and I believe him" in a span of like 8 hours.

WILLIE: Don't you people understand when Trump released the laughably insane document claiming to be worth $10 billion, that it was far more informative than any tax return?

*Willie sits back with arms folded, whispering "got 'em" to himself*

+1

I am a banker, and that not how banks work. but you know, facts.

I am a banker, and that not how banks work. but you know, facts. [/quote

Well, can you do us all a favor, explain PDR’s links, and explain wto all of us that the banks didn’t put trump on an allowance?

we’re waiting.

Because, there are laws and regulations when it comes to lending - even business lending. No bank is going to continuously lend money into a money pit. Once you hit the threshold of guidelines, they cease any further lending. Most banks also have provisions they can terminate any open unsecured lines at any time, depending on the outlook of the borrower and/or company.

edit to add - they can also declare default and accelerate the debt, making the amount due in full. they wouldn't lend you more to pay it off that happened.

So, if Trump and his business were in such dire needs and dire circumstances, was losing money left and right - and was as high risk, please do me a favor and explain how ANY bank would continue to lend money? They wouldn't. Banks are 1000000% about risk. Everything they do, everything they invest in has risk factors and ratings. From what is being presented as "fact", is just ludicrous to even comprehend would have happened. I would also go out on a limb and say a bank would have no recourse or say on how one business owner pays himself or stipulates their salary. To actually believe they could condition his salary to 450K is purely laughable. I know you guys like the Russia angle, but this isn't Russia.

Honestly ask yourself a question, if a bank lends Swish LLC money, and Swish LLC defaults on said loan, runs a horrible business, has a horrible credit rating, and then Swish LLC goes back to bank for MORE money, do you think bank is going to say "hey, we haven't got our money back yet, and your bleeding funds and your credit blows, but juussssttttt to make sure we make bad investments - heres more."

They seem to forget about the 25 years SINCE THEN ... wonder why that is .... ....