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Well obviously if we drafted Barkley, RB would not be on the list.
Chubb, DE is never on our list why I think it will be highly unlikely Dorsey drafts him.
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Well obviously if we drafted Barkley, RB would not be on the list.
Chubb, DE is never on our list why I think it will be highly unlikely Dorsey drafts him.
jmho Why would Chubb not be on our draft board?
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He is on our board.
He's (arguably) BPA in the draft, and Dorsey has shown he will take a pass-rusher super early even though he already has one.
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Agreed. Garrett and Ogbah were both missing games ouchy last season. For all we know, Garett's durability was a bigger red flag for Dorsey than others going onto last year's draft.
No way anyone should think Chubb isn't on our radar.
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He is on our board.
He's (arguably) BPA in the draft, and Dorsey has shown he will take a pass-rusher super early even though he already has one. That was a question directed at tabber and why he thought that Chubb would not be on our list as he put it. I know that he is on our board and if he is avalible @4 we should select him. Garrett and Ogbah where only on the field together for six games last season and our defense suffered because of such.
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Our secondary (the entire thing) were on the field for 16 games together last season and our defense suffered as such ... 
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Let's make the following assumptions:
1, we take a QB at #1
2, we take Bradley Chubb at #4
3, our top rated players at each position have about the same rating when we draft at #33 and #35 Let's not make those assumptions: Taking anyone in the front 7 of the defense in the first round would be a nightmare, and anywhere in the top 4 Browns' picks would still be really frustrating.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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Our secondary (the entire thing) were on the field for 16 games together last season and our defense suffered as such ... LOL, yes but that is a horse of a differnt color. I know it's only a pipe dream, but I have always envisioned us someday having a dominating defense like the 85 Bears.
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Our secondary (the entire thing) were on the field for 16 games together last season and our defense suffered as such ... I understand. I guess it boils down to how much faith the FO has in some of the new backfield signings. I have wavered between Fitz and Chubb. First it was Fitz, then Chubb started making sense. Now i am leaning back towards Fitz. Being able to shut down a teams best receiver is a big advantage. We do have a pretty good D-line as it is and I think Ogun and Brantley are really going to blossom this year. Both have the ability to get in the QBs face in a hurry. I think Williams is going to have a big say in who we take at 4 if we go D. I think he probably thinks that between the players we have and the scheme he can draw that we will be able to get to the QB. The only way we can do that is if we can take on the receivers in a 1 on 1 match-up. I think that is a key component to his style of D. So, it is probably more important to get a corner who can shut down Julio Jones over another edge rusher. Also, you stand a better chance of finding a edge rusher later in the draft over a shutdown corner. At least IMO you can. Williams can scheme a better pass rush to create pressure. There isn't much he can do to stick a guy on the other teams top receiver and shut him down 1 on 1.
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Let's make the following assumptions:
1, we take a QB at #1
2, we take Bradley Chubb at #4
3, our top rated players at each position have about the same rating when we draft at #33 and #35
Rank these positions in how you would draft them:
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S RB DB OC WR OT It has everything to do with the value at this point in the draft. There is likely to be a run on RBs' in round two and we don't have a 3rd round pick. DB will come off the board in bunches. OT is pathetic this year and most will go a round or two higher then their projected value...I would obstane in round two and hope to find some value in the middle rounds for a player to be developed. WR there is not much difference between WR#4 and WR#15 in this draft imo. I agree we need a Rb, Hyde is solid. We might be able to get a guy at #64 of similar value to what we would get at #33 or #35 I am high on Kerryon Johnson. Hoping he would make it to #64 but read an article that suggested the Giants take him at #34 if they don't draft Barkley. Db - I am pretty sure that we end up taking a Cb at either #33 or #35. There will be at least a couple impact Cb's available and despite the FA additions we need more help here. It seems as if Josh Johnson is falling. His 40 time wasn't the greatest but he is an interception machine. But there are others, Alexander from Louisville looks like he will be gone. But I like Carlton Davis Auburn, Mike Hughes Central Florida, Donte Jackson LSU here as well. If we wait Tolliver from LSU and Averrett Alabama are guys that might be available later. Wr - I get what you are saying. This is really the position that prompted me to raise the question I proposed. We have a pretty good Wr crew all of a sudden. But how long does Gordon stay clean? Will Landry sign a multi year contract with us? Will Coleman develop? Will Janis develop? Then I get this visceral feeling about adding Christian Kirk to that Wr corp. One more element of explosion to a position devoid of talent for a decade. OT (specifically LT) - I don't love any of the top guys in this draft. I like Chukwuma Okorafor Western Michigan. I am hoping that we get him at #64. He needs a year but I think he is going to be a pretty good LT. I don't have OC as a top need. Would you take one of the top centers at the top of round 2?
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Fitz is not going to shut down the other teams best reciever ... thats Wards skill set not Fitz’s ... With that said ... Fitz is MUCH MORE schematically than just someone who can shut down the other teams best reciever ... MUCH MORE ... U put Ward on Jones all over the field .. i can scheme for that ... i know where Wards going to be ... with Fitz ... I NEVER KNOW WHERE HES GOING TO BE OR WHAT HES GOING TO DO ... how do u scheme for that? ... plus ... he puts others in the PROPER POSITION .... The NFL has turned into a chess game ... and Fitz’s combo of atheleticism and FOOTBALL INTELLIGENCE makes him a CHESS PIECE very few if no other D’s have .... he is a D-Coordinators dream in more ways than one ... he presents PROBLEMS for OC’s ... hes the FLY IN THE OINTMENT sort of speak ... *L* ... (just cause i cant spell it dont make my point less valid ...  ) his INTELLIGENCE sets him apart ... he will make everyone around him better ... the ENTIRE D ... and he will give OC’s FITS .... drive them nuts ...
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Let's make the following assumptions:
1, we take a QB at #1
2, we take Bradley Chubb at #4
3, our top rated players at each position have about the same rating when we draft at #33 and #35
Rank these positions in how you would draft them:
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S RB DB OC WR OT It has everything to do with the value at this point in the draft. There is likely to be a run on RBs' in round two and we don't have a 3rd round pick. DB will come off the board in bunches. OT is pathetic this year and most will go a round or two higher then their projected value...I would obstane in round two and hope to find some value in the middle rounds for a player to be developed. WR there is not much difference between WR#4 and WR#15 in this draft imo. I agree we need a Rb, Hyde is solid. We might be able to get a guy at #64 of similar value to what we would get at #33 or #35 I am high on Kerryon Johnson. Hoping he would make it to #64 but read an article that suggested the Giants take him at #34 if they don't draft Barkley. Db - I am pretty sure that we end up taking a Cb at either #33 or #35. There will be at least a couple impact Cb's available and despite the FA additions we need more help here. It seems as if Josh Johnson is falling. His 40 time wasn't the greatest but he is an interception machine. But there are others, Alexander from Louisville looks like he will be gone. But I like Carlton Davis Auburn, Mike Hughes Central Florida, Donte Jackson LSU here as well. If we wait Tolliver from LSU and Averrett Alabama are guys that might be available later. Wr - I get what you are saying. This is really the position that prompted me to raise the question I proposed. We have a pretty good Wr crew all of a sudden. But how long does Gordon stay clean? Will Landry sign a multi year contract with us? Will Coleman develop? Will Janis develop? Then I get this visceral feeling about adding Christian Kirk to that Wr corp. One more element of explosion to a position devoid of talent for a decade. OT (specifically LT) - I don't love any of the top guys in this draft. I like Chukwuma Okorafor Western Michigan. I am hoping that we get him at #64. He needs a year but I think he is going to be a pretty good LT. I don't have OC as a top need. Would you take one of the top centers at the top of round 2? No not that high with C/OG...but if Price was to fall to 64 and depending on what positions we selected with 33 and 35 I would certainly consider it. I like Mason Cole if he is on the board in the 4th. I Just hate to see us in the position we where in after Mack left and Tretter was only signed for what three years IIRC.
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Frank Ragnow will be a steal. I could see us taking him in the early 2nd round.
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I’m with you on the dominant D ... were going to play our important games in C-Town in Dec and hopefully January ... and until we build a dome ... pretty sure i dont really need to elaborate on the reasons why the dominant D is way better than a great O ...
As far as Mr. Chubb is concerned ... i wont like the pick .. but he is someone that can help any D in a big way if he is who he appears to be ...
Hes a piece to a DOMINANT D ... and theres more than one way to build a dominant D .... its not like drafting him precludes us from building a dominant D ... its just not the “best” way to do it IMO ...
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True, but the old turn to rebutle of we can find one later in the draft does not apply in this draft imo. It will depend on our two starting DEs' staying healthy, because if last year proved anything, it is that we don't have much behind them.
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I’m not sure what u mean by that ... i see nothing in there i disagree with ... not sure what to do when that happens ... *LOL* .... I agree with everything u just said ... To clarify in case i confused u with my last post ... We can draft Chubb at #4 ... still get a decent CB at #4 ... then adress the rest of the secondary in next years FA and draft ... i was just saying i know their’s more than one way to build the dominant D we both desire than by taking Fitz or even Ward at #4 ... I agree .. u cant get anything close to Chubb at any point in this draft .... Chubbs are hard to come by ... ...
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Just a hunch, but I would think if it was a plan we would have brought in one or all into visits.
Chubb, Landry, Davenport.
I understand no visits with RB as its something they got on film and are pretty knowledgeable of the players.
But DE if it was a part of the plan its not like Chubb is the only candidate. We would be taking closer looks at the big 3 who could give the same results of a situational pass rusher.
Nobody can tell me that they would start over Ogbah, he is solid as a rock and makes everyone better.
A hunch something is not right. Especially when the odds are QBs are going 1, 2, 3 - no reason for some super stealth not to look these guys over with a fine tooth comb. I am pretty sure that if we do not go for Barkley Dorsey is going to take Ward. Chubb goes in the same thought process of probably not as much as Probably not Allen for #1. For me and I get it probably me alone, Probably not Chubb for #4.
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Actually Fritz was my first choice @4 back in January.
So I wouldn't be unhappy with that selection either bro.
And yes I agree that their is not one way to build a defense.
For me it just comes down to positional value.
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apologies this thread is about the 2nd round, didn't realize it.
2nd round I would like for us to take serious consideration for a RT candidate. I have not studied them too hard. Had a good look at Orlando Brown Jr. (Zeus 2) while looking at Mayfield. He was the only really decent OL on that team. Not a candidate for LT but possibly for RT. Just don't really like Hubbard its somebody elses backup. We have gotten tons of them literally over the years and only Tucker worked out well.
If we pass on Barkley I would think we would take Guice or Sony at one of the two spots. And then we got CBs we can probably get a good one.
I think if we pass on Barkley at 4 we pass on RB at 33/35 and possibly take one at 64???
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Just a hunch, but I would think if it was a plan we would have brought in one or all into visits.
Chubb, Landry, Davenport.
I understand no visits with RB as its something they got on film and are pretty knowledgeable of the players.
But DE if it was a part of the plan its not like Chubb is the only candidate. We would be taking closer looks at the big 3 who could give the same results of a situational pass rusher.
Nobody can tell me that they would start over Ogbah, he is solid as a rock and makes everyone better.
A hunch something is not right. Especially when the odds are QBs are going 1, 2, 3 - no reason for some super stealth not to look these guys over with a fine tooth comb. I am pretty sure that if we do not go for Barkley Dorsey is going to take Ward. Chubb goes in the same thought process of probably not as much as Probably not Allen for #1. For me and I get it probably me alone, Probably not Chubb for #4.
jmho I get the gest of what you are saying, but in the case of Chubb whom we already interviewed at the combine...I just don't think that there are any red flags to investigate there and his tape speaks for itself. I see Landry and Davenport as 34 OLBs' which does not fit our BPA.
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Just a hunch, but I would think if it was a plan we would have brought in one or all into visits.
Chubb, Landry, Davenport.
I understand no visits with RB as its something they got on film and are pretty knowledgeable of the players.
But DE if it was a part of the plan its not like Chubb is the only candidate. We would be taking closer looks at the big 3 who could give the same results of a situational pass rusher.
Nobody can tell me that they would start over Ogbah, he is solid as a rock and makes everyone better.
A hunch something is not right. Especially when the odds are QBs are going 1, 2, 3 - no reason for some super stealth not to look these guys over with a fine tooth comb. I am pretty sure that if we do not go for Barkley Dorsey is going to take Ward. Chubb goes in the same thought process of probably not as much as Probably not Allen for #1. For me and I get it probably me alone, Probably not Chubb for #4.
jmho I know that some people don't want to trade out of 4th ..... but I think that there is, potentially, a huge grab bag that could be available between 5-10. Let's say that QBs go 1-4. (and we trade out of 4) That would leave a really high quality group of players available. Barkley Chubb Fitzpatrick James Ward Smith Nelson Davenport I think that there is huge value in any of these players, and that a trade down could be really worthwhile.
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You see DD...what changed my thinking had nothing to do with Chubb and Fritz, for when the Colts still had the 3rd selection, I assumed Chubb would have been there choice, so with the trade with the Jets...all of a sudden Chubb became a viable option, although he could still come off the board @2.
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At the end of the day, I believe we draft Darnold at 1
We move down from 4 and select Ward when he slips a bit.
Trade back into the first for a RB most likely kid from Georgia
At 33 we take Orlando Brown.
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At the end of the day, I believe we draft Darnold at 1
We move down from 4 and select Ward when he slips a bit.
Trade back into the first for a RB most likely kid from Georgia
At 33 we take Orlando Brown. Which kid from Georgia.....they has a 2 headed monster in the backfield with Chubb and Michel.
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Michel. Chubb I think slides to 3rd due to injuies and bama game
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I would target any of the following players IF they fall into the 2nd round:
JAIRE ALEXANDER
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Louisville
HAROLD LANDRY
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Boston College
CHRISTIAN KIRK
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Eq Brown WR add Maurice Hurst Who's on your 2nd round draft boards?
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Michel. Chubb I think slides to 3rd due to injuies and bama game Total BS...one game does not make a career. And it wasn't even that bad.
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Michel. Chubb I think slides to 3rd due to injuies and bama game Total BS...one game does not make a career. And it wasn't even that bad. It's the injury and what it's done to him. That's why he has a day 2 grade.
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Michel. Chubb I think slides to 3rd due to injuies and bama game Total BS...one game does not make a career. And it wasn't even that bad. It's the injury and what it's done to him. That's why he has a day 2 grade. Yes, his injury history, which is now two years behind him (he is 100% healed if not 100% of what his potential was.), and because he is going to be a committee RB, but a workhorse none the less...not because he was not great at running in a stacked box vs an Alabama defense...lol...although he made a pretty good career of running against a stacked box, so one game does not change that fact. Much of Sony's successful runs where on zone spread plays and on 3rd and long.
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He's definitively not at 100% what was his potential and never will be. The injury was extremely horrific and is hard to come back from. The fact that he's done so to such a high level is a testament to his work ethic. However, when he was a Freshman he was insane. You have to be a good back to start as a Freshman for Georgia. Isaiah Crowell is the only one I can remember to do that. And Chubb thrived at Georgia his Freshman year, he was a 110+ yard back in the SEC. His sophomore year, he looked even better but then he had that injury. If he didn't have that he probably gets drafted in the first round of last year. Now he's a third day pick. I like him, by the way. I think the injury is more on the McGahee side of the spectrum than Marcus Lattimore. I really like him in the 4th if we don't draft Guice in the 2nd.
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Does anyone wonder if Justin Reid will drop in the draft? His brother is currently without a team due to the kneeling and I wonder if it will affect his status as well. Justin should not be judged by his brother. He is far more fluid in his hips and is better matching up in the slot in man on coverages. It's like judging Derek Carr, by the standards of David Carr. His biggest knock is that he sometimes comes up too hot and heavy and can bite on the PAP. So he can be overaggressive. On Chubb, I agree that he will never reach his potential that he had pre injury, but he is not as far off as some would like to over state...if I had to put a number on him...lt would be 90% or better, of that of his pre injury status. I'll be a fan in his corner for life, no matter wherever he ends up...
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I dunno too many 2nd round guys (i've focused a lot on QBs). But at WR, if that Memphis guy is available (Miller?), I think he looks like a good one. I think Ridley and Moore will be long gone.
And if Guice is available, I like him a lot.
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Memphis WR Anthony Miller
Great hands and wins the one on one battles for the ball - even though he is only 5'11
I heard about him on a podcast, so I started looking into him and watching videos of him. I like the way he plays. He's a tough one. For a smaller guy, he is very physical. And he's smart with a knack for getting open.
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