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Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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The Browns, even other teams, they've got to be finalizing it, we're down to 4 days away, Wait, I mean 3, 3 days plus maybe 1-2 hours from the official start.
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Allbright was saying he was "having fun" with that mock.
Still hope it's true but I'm not putting stock in it. His mock tomorrow will have darnold #1.
I've heard on the fan they compared mayfield to rivers which I think is an interesting comparison.
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That would be interesting because they don't strike me as alike or similar. Strengths or knocks? Scratching my head on this one.
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j/c: Just to add a bit more murkiness to top of draft: one NFL executive said this morning that Baker Mayfield is “definitely” in Cleveland’s conversation to become the No. 1 overall pick.
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If you ask me, I would say that it is either going to be Mayfield or Darnold
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If you ask me, I would say that it is either going to be Mayfield or Darnold
No insider info, just reading the tea leaves That's where I am at as well.
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Too many things not to like, size, offense, attitude, lack of athelticism. If you're betting your #1 overall pick on a guy becoming and exception to the rule you're getting fired in 2 years.
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Productivity and efficiency are important to me when looking at a QB.
Baker was highly productive and highly efficient. His accuracy was on point.
Baker will face a bigger transition then most QB prospect because of the spread offense AND because of the heavy use of RPO's.
The team that drafts him has to be smart enough to realize who he is/where he is as a QB and plan for it....are they gonna put him in a Jeff Fisher-Chris Weinke-Rob Boras offense that shoe horned a spread QB into their (lol) "scheme"? or will the team that drafts him take a McVay-Doug Pederson-Andy Reid approach type approach?
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If you ask me, I would say that it is either going to be Mayfield or Darnold
No insider info, just reading the tea leaves LOL...yeah those tea leaves probably know more then that of those with so called sources close to John Dorsey 
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If you ask me, I would say that it is either going to be Mayfield or Darnold
No insider info, just reading the tea leaves Or... LINK Daryl Ruiter Verified account @RuiterWrongFAN Dan Patrick on @dpshow citing a source who told him #Browns are choosing between Baker Mayfield and Josh Allen for No. 1 pick echoing what @DustinFox37 has said. Josh Rosen and Sam Darnold off the board.I expect a "source close to the Browns" to report Dorsey is considering me for the #1 overall pick in a few hours. It may get crazier before it settles down too. Two more days...
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I think the NY media machine wants Darnold and Rosen to come to NY, one to the Giants, the other to the Jets. So all the Allen talk is wishful thinking/trying to influence the outcome. I do think Mayfield is a possibility, and I don't know why Rosen never seems to be mentioned in connection with the Browns. I think it's 70% Darnold, 30% Mayfield at this point.
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I think the NY media machine wants Darnold and Rosen to come to NY, one to the Giants, the other to the Jets. So all the Allen talk is wishful thinking/trying to influence the outcome. I do think Mayfield is a possibility, and I don't know why Rosen never seems to be mentioned in connection with the Browns. I think it's 70% Darnold, 30% Mayfield at this point. Truth...the media likes to play matchmakers that comply with their world view...only we hold the first selection and determine our own destiny...this time I think that we will finally get the monkey off of our backs...even if the media would like nothing more then to keep us their whipping boy.
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I listen to the Dan Patrick podcast on the way home. His "source" is an NFL scout that doesn't work with the Browns. I'm not sure how on earth THAT guy would have proprietary information that Hue Jackson doesn't even have, but take it for what it's worth.
Dan Patrick claims he trusts his source, but I wouldn't put it past him to try and play matchmaker for the New York media markets. You can take a guy out of ESPN, but you can't take the ESPN out of a guy ...
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I personally don't think we take Mayfield at one, and all this talk and buzz we are proves my point...I think Dorsey is merely seeing what offers are out there to move down a spot. If we take a QB its probably going to be either Darnold or Rosen. I'd lean more towards Rosen at this point. https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/02/nfl-draft-josh-rosen-browns-giants-reportIf you put a gun to my head and absolutely forced me to pick a QB at #1...i'd pick Rosen. Everyone knows im more in Barkley camp, but if they must pick a Qb at #1, Darnold or Rosen are the only two i'd be ok with...ideally they go Go Rosen if they decide to go that route...i still hope we get Barkley one way or another, but we will see how things go. iMayfield is just too risky especially with his drukeness, running from the police, etc...all shades of Johnny Manziel...we can't afford to take that risk, not this time... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2L6aZ7a8oIganyone who runs from the police is an absolute moron, if the Browns take him they are fools.
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baker, lamar, rosen, darnold.
if they go #1 then whatever ill be happy.
all i know is if we draft allen #1, then we can expect to remain in the cellar of the AFC north for the foreseeable future.
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I think the NY media machine wants Darnold and Rosen to come to NY, one to the Giants, the other to the Jets. So all the Allen talk is wishful thinking/trying to influence the outcome. I do think Mayfield is a possibility, and I don't know why Rosen never seems to be mentioned in connection with the Browns. I think it's 70% Darnold, 30% Mayfield at this point. maybe its that way because Dorsey is great at his job, and rosen is his pick. . . . .
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baker, lamar, rosen, darnold.
if they go #1 then whatever ill be happy.
all i know is if we draft allen #1, then we can expect to remain in the cellar of the AFC north for the foreseeable future. I agree, I think allen in my eyes may have the most upside of all them, I just don't see him developing his accuracy to where it would need to be successful. Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield, Lamar are my top 4 QBs.
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baker, lamar, rosen, darnold.
if they go #1 then whatever ill be happy.
all i know is if we draft allen #1, then we can expect to remain in the cellar of the AFC north for the foreseeable future. I agree, I think allen in my eyes may have the most upside of all them, I just don't see him developing his accuracy to where it would need to be successful. Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield, Lamar are my top 4 QBs. I don't think there is any relation between arm strength and NFL success. You need to have the arm to make all throws, no need for a cannon,specially when its clear that all your throwing motion is design for ball velocity. I don't like QB's with baseball backgrounds... Regarding Josh the main question is that if he's so gifted and talented, why didn't he win anything....
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j/c...I too am in that circle of posters that believe it is down to Mayfield an Darnold for Dorsey's pick at #1.
For those siting system in college making it more or less difficult to transition to the NFL. Got news for you all. Its difficult for all College QBs to transition to the NFL. System will only count if their success has been because of short throws and and not the NFL throws needed like the deep out. The good news is that with TT at the helm we do not have urgency in that transition and all will benefit and be better ready for the NFL game because of it. The key is Football intelligence. If it is not there that transition will be more difficult and sometimes making it almost impossible.
So I'm thinking its around 90% sure that Dorsey will take Darnold. But its also hard not to fall in love with the throwing skills of Rosen. I just wish he was better with his lateral movement but again something that would be transitioned with the full season that is available.
Got to love our options of the 3.
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While I certainly agree with you that all QB's have a tough transition to the NFL, I think it's always helpful to limit the list of things they need to do in order to make that transition. If you can limit that list, it's just that much less they have to digest in order to make that transition.
Playing in a pro style O is one such thing.
Throwing with accuracy and anticipation is another thing on that list.
Having a history of going through your progressions is another thing on that list.
You can add reading D's pre and post snap as well.
The shorter the list, the easier the transition. The less obstacles a QB will have to overcome.
Now that's not saying a QB lacking in some of those ingredients can't overcome those obstacles. But for each question mark on that list, the bigger the risk and greater are the odds that there will be an item or two he can't overcome.
I've seen the "shiny toy" syndrome before. A guy that ooh's and ah's with physical skills. Great athletes. Yet that doesn't make them an NFL QB.
Each of these draft picks have had a window with which to hone their skills. They have all been given good coaching. I don't see any reason people would advocate taking a draft pick who hasn't answered as many questions as others.
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yeah but the question is as amateurs what makes you think the list we make are correct. Like lets take Mayfield...I hear all this stuff.
But I look at his footwork...I look at his lateral movement and his quick adjustment to his feet. I look at his accuracy perfect placement on the hands of the WR. I look at the tight window throws and the accuracy there. I look at the NFL football throw of throws, the deep out and judge arm talent from that throw. But if the kid has a good football intelligence and a grasp of the game which you get a good sense from the white board sessions you have. That more so than any system these kids have in their college will all determine to me if the kid will be able to transition into the NFL game or not and the ease of that transition. There is no step up. The biggest advantage is taking the majority of your snaps from under center or not. But its a comfort level thing that is easily obtained by repetition.
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Any of the other 3 but not Mayfield 
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I wasn't referring to Mayfield. Just a general rule of thumb.
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yeah but the question is as amateurs what makes you think the list we make are correct. Like lets take Mayfield...I hear all this stuff.
But I look at his footwork...I look at his lateral movement and his quick adjustment to his feet. I look at his accuracy perfect placement on the hands of the WR. I look at the tight window throws and the accuracy there. I look at the NFL football throw of throws, the deep out and judge arm talent from that throw. But if the kid has a good football intelligence and a grasp of the game which you get a good sense from the white board sessions you have. That more so than any system these kids have in their college will all determine to me if the kid will be able to transition into the NFL game or not and the ease of that transition. There is no step up. The biggest advantage is taking the majority of your snaps from under center or not. But its a comfort level thing that is easily obtained by repetition.
jmho I'd agree. Baker's got all the tools, just two and a half inches too short. And I don't think he's the type of guy who would let that get in his way. Also, Mayfield is a four year starter. He's played a lot of football. He's seen a lot of defenses (albeit Big 12 Defenses, but still defenses). The transition to under center will be one thing (and this i've thought about, pre-snap does the height of a QB have much of an effect on their ability to read the defense?), but he seems to be the type of guy who just "gets it" in the football sense. I prefer Josh Rosen, and I think Rosen (assuming he checks out medically) is about as polished as college players come. But Mayfield impresses me and I'd never doubt the guy. Everywhere he goes, he kicks butt. And I'm certainly not gonna be the one to say that he can't do something. The one thing I worry about with Baker is how he can handle taking a back seat, at least to start. He's never really done it besides the season he had to sit out between Texas Tech and Oklahoma. I remember Manziel said that was very tough. He went from being a football god to being on the bench, it was unfamiliar and a bit depressing for him.
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mayhomes, Rodgers, Farve were all right around 6-2 Mayfield is right at 6-1 so i honestly dont think height is a big deal for the packer crew.
Tab dont lose faith just yet, teams like to give a bit of info a day or two before the draft and Barkley is the Berea buzzword at the moment,
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I am actually wondering if the Baker buzz is a precursor to a trade with the Giants. giants get their boy and Browns sell it as Baker is the guy we wanted and we got a pick.
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If the Browns didn't have the #1 overall pick, I'd be Klamoring that they have to trade up to take Mayfield #1. Period.
What would it be worth?
Both ones this year And next years #1.
And Here is why. I feel it's time to stop messing around and get your Quarterback, and the lack of a first rounder next year and giving up the other first rounder this year, would be just stuff you can live with
I mean The Browns get a first round pick every year, and usually it's been in the top 10- or 10-15, So What's the loss if you have to give up both first rounders this year AND Next Years #1 to get a Baker Mayfield.
You do it!
I just hope! The Browns! Have enough of a memory! to realize that They kind of lost the poker hand when they didn't get their QB in the 2017 draft, and Chicago and Houston and a couple other teams did,
But the Browns redeemed themselves and went with Kizer, ... (and now have GIVEN UP on the Kizer experiment)
SO THEY Lost the Poker Hand of the 2017 first round, and they did it holding the Highest card, the #1 overall pick.
Do they really want to do it again?
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Baker Mayfield - QB - Player Sources tell the Cleveland Plain Dealer's Mary Kay Cabot that the Browns are believed to be down to Oklahoma QB Baker Mayfield or Wyoming QB Josh Allen with the No. 1 overall pick. Per those sources, the Browns have "cooled" on USC QB Sam Darnold in recent days for whatever reason. This falls in line with what some around the Browns have been saying for about a week now, as radio host and ex-Browns DB Dustin Fox reported last week that Cleveland was down to Mayfield and Allen. NBC's Dan Patrick reported the same on Monday. For what it's worth, GM John Dorsey's righthand man Scot McCloughan has said for awhile that Mayfield is his No. 1. Related: Josh Allen, Browns Source: Cleveland Plain Dealer Apr 25 - 10:26 AM http://www.rotoworld.com/sports/nfl/football?r=1
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Just pointing this out, I was a good week or so ahead of all of this! My source told me this before everyone else caught wind of it! From the Darnold thread: All though, Mary Kay is probably using me as the source for her latest report. 
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