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Ok... so... What if the team goes for a "win now" approach and picks Barkely/Chubb/Fitz/Ward at 1 & 4? Would that be the worst thing to happen?
We could get 2 of the BPA's with a RB/CB/DE
We already have a more than serviceable 28 year old QB with Taylor. (could even make a jump into the top 10 this year with Haley's offense) and could be our QB for the next 5-6 years. If I remember properly, 60-75% of an NFL team is turned over in 5-6 years.
We can pick up some OL pieces in the 2nd and get some more depth all over the place and make a push for the playoffs this year.
aside from being comfortable with the last 5 months of hearing about a QB at 1, would that be the best thing to win games in the next 3-4 years?
Especially since we know the QB we draft at 1 will likely sit on the bench for 1-2 years.
Thoughts?
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MJD, is that you? lmao
That's exactly what Maurice Jones-Drew predicted in his mock draft on NFL Network and every other analyst on the show ripped him a new one.
They all said exactly the same thing I do. When you haven't had a legitimate QB in decades and you have the perfect opportunity to draft one, you don't blow it.
So those are my thoughts. But hey, everything else has been discussed to death, so why not?
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Didn't Dorsey say he would do what's best for the long term?
I don't think this is even an option, but he'd LOVE for people to think that it is....
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I'm just playing devil's advocate. 
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Yep. That's what he said he brought Dorsey here fo.   (sorry, had to do it) Seriously, though .... there are probably going to be at least 2 legitimate franchise QBs. We passed on Wentz. We passed on Watson. We have our pick at #1 overall. I see no way we pass on a QB again ...... not when Dorsey was hired to get that spot right. (and while I think that Taylor is a solid add for this team, and is a solid QB/leader .... he is not a franchise QB. Heck, if he proves to be one this year, what's the worst that happens? We sign him to a franchise type deal, and we have the rookie sit for a few years, than maybe the rook takes over in year 4 or 5 of his rookie deal? I'd be OK with that, if it meant we were winning.
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I'm pretty sure the fan base would go nuclear. However, I'm not sure I would be mad. It's probably because I want Rosen at 1. Worst case... Mayfield.
I'll gladly eat crow if we pick Darnold or Allen and they become a stud. I just don't see it.
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QB QB QB That's What Haslem Said He Brought Dorsey Here Fo At The First Press Conference and That's What Will Happen At #1 ... and Dorsey got 2 Quarterbacks .. Haslam only wanted 1 so he has already done what Haslam wanted...
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Yep. That's what he said he brought Dorsey here fo. (sorry, had to do it) Seriously, though .... there are probably going to be at least 2 legitimate franchise QBs. We passed on Wentz. We passed on Watson. We have our pick at #1 overall. I see no way we pass on a QB again ...... not when Dorsey was hired to get that spot right. (and while I think that Taylor is a solid add for this team, and is a solid QB/leader .... he is not a franchise QB. Heck, if he proves to be one this year, what's the worst that happens? We sign him to a franchise type deal, and we have the rookie sit for a few years, than maybe the rook takes over in year 4 or 5 of his rookie deal? I'd be OK with that, if it meant we were winning. hmmm .. sounds like something Belechck tried .. didn't seem to work well .. did it ? He ended up trading the rook and is now shopping for a new backup.
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No chance of this happening.
What a nightmare scenario.
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QB QB QB That's What Haslem Said He Brought Dorsey Here Fo At The First Press Conference and That's What Will Happen At #1 ... and Dorsey got 2 Quarterbacks .. Haslam only wanted 1 so he has already done what Haslam wanted...
He still owes us one n it at overall #1
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Ok... so... What if the team goes for a "win now" approach and picks Barkely/Chubb/Fitz/Ward at 1 & 4? Would that be the worst thing to happen?
We could get 2 of the BPA's with a RB/CB/DE
We already have a more than serviceable 28 year old QB with Taylor. (could even make a jump into the top 10 this year with Haley's offense) and could be our QB for the next 5-6 years. If I remember properly, 60-75% of an NFL team is turned over in 5-6 years.
We can pick up some OL pieces in the 2nd and get some more depth all over the place and make a push for the playoffs this year.
aside from being comfortable with the last 5 months of hearing about a QB at 1, would that be the best thing to win games in the next 3-4 years?
Especially since we know the QB we draft at 1 will likely sit on the bench for 1-2 years.
Thoughts?
Horrible, horrible idea.
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Ok... so... What if the team goes for a "win now" approach and picks Barkely/Chubb/Fitz/Ward at 1 & 4? Would that be the worst thing to happen?
We could get 2 of the BPA's with a RB/CB/DE
We already have a more than serviceable 28 year old QB with Taylor. (could even make a jump into the top 10 this year with Haley's offense) and could be our QB for the next 5-6 years. If I remember properly, 60-75% of an NFL team is turned over in 5-6 years.
We can pick up some OL pieces in the 2nd and get some more depth all over the place and make a push for the playoffs this year.
aside from being comfortable with the last 5 months of hearing about a QB at 1, would that be the best thing to win games in the next 3-4 years?
Especially since we know the QB we draft at 1 will likely sit on the bench for 1-2 years.
Thoughts?
I don't think we will do that, but I get the thought process. We'd have to get Taylor signed, and I would still invest in a QB at the top of the 2nd round. Somebody is going to fall a bit. I'd be ok if we did that.
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Your way OVER RATING TT ... hes a MAJOR UPGRADE for us but hes not that good ... your setting yourself up for a major dissapointment .... hes a short term place holder not the long term solution ... Hue is saying the right thing naming TT the starter for the year ... that should be the plan ... thing is .. PLANS CHANGE ... and if we draft Rosen or Baker ... once the footballs start flying through the air in August ... Rosen or Baker very well may WIN THE JOB then or definetly by week 8 or so ... There’s a reason TT was benched last year for a guy i’d never heard of ... ... Like i said TT is a MAJOR UPGRADE for us ... but hes got his PROBLEMS and could very well be beat out in TC depending on who we draft ...
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I had this argument with someone yesterday... Taylor is not a long term solution... draft a qb at the top of the draft
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Your way OVER RATING TT ... hes a MAJOR UPGRADE for us but hes not that good ... your setting yourself up for a major dissapointment .... hes a short term place holder not the long term solution ... Hue is saying the right thing naming TT the starter for the year ... that should be the plan ... thing is .. PLANS CHANGE ... and if we draft Rosen or Baker ... once the footballs start flying through the air in August ... Rosen or Baker very well may WIN THE JOB then or definetly by week 8 or so ... There’s a reason TT was benched last year for a guy i’d never heard of ... ... Like i said TT is a MAJOR UPGRADE for us ... but hes got his PROBLEMS and could very well be beat out in TC depending on who we draft ... No my man....I think you are reading more in to comment then intended. I don't think TT is a great QB. He is a decent QB. If a team was going to win a Superbowl with him at the helm, it would have to have a great back and a smothering D. I was just responding to SBdawgs comment and how I can see how some might want to go that direction.
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I don't think it will happen...however...
You have to give this a minute to marinate. I certainly believe it wouldn't be an indication of support for Tyrod Taylor, though they would perch him up in order to give him confidence that it was.
No, I think it would be more of an indicator of two very distinct things..
1) Their lack of confidence in this QB class as a whole. Not because they are afraid of failing to pick the right one, but because they are convinced there isn't a single guy that would bolster this franchise's future.
2) They have the utmost confidence in AT LEAST (2) prospects that they would be franchise changers. The most notable would seem to be Chubb and Barkley.
So...if 1) were true...
THEN, I could see a scenario where their top rated player overall becomes the #1 pick in the draft. When #4 rolls around, if their top rated QB is still on the board, then I would expect them to take him there..If he is gone and their #2 overall rated player is still available, then well, yeah..I could see how this would be a plausible scenario.
It is extremely unlikely they can't come to a consensus conclusion at the QB position. So I think that will be the #1 overall pick...but, it is an interesting thought.
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Your way OVER RATING TT ... hes a MAJOR UPGRADE for us but hes not that good ... your setting yourself up for a major dissapointment .... hes a short term place holder not the long term solution ... Hue is saying the right thing naming TT the starter for the year ... that should be the plan ... thing is .. PLANS CHANGE ... and if we draft Rosen or Baker ... once the footballs start flying through the air in August ... Rosen or Baker very well may WIN THE JOB then or definetly by week 8 or so ... There’s a reason TT was benched last year for a guy i’d never heard of ... ... Like i said TT is a MAJOR UPGRADE for us ... but hes got his PROBLEMS and could very well be beat out in TC depending on who we draft ... No my man....I think you are reading more in to comment then intended. I don't think TT is a great QB. He is a decent QB. If a team was going to win a Superbowl with him at the helm, it would have to have a great back and a smothering D. I was just responding to SBdawgs comment and how I can see how some might want to go that direction. this is pretty much what I was going with. we could beef up the D more and run with what we have and fill a few pieces at OL. That mentality could get us to a .500 season. I know everyone wants a franchise QB, they just are diamonds in the rough. Teams make it to the Superbowl with average to above average QB's and stellar defense.
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thanks, it's just one of those things to think about.
Especially if 2 of these guys end up being the franchise players for other teams. Chubb/Fitz/Barkely/ward
In 3 years, a place a player was drafted is no longer important. What is important, is their level of play. That's why teams with these longstanding dynasties last so long. They draft players that win and they draft the best player vs a need.
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Your way OVER RATING TT ... hes a MAJOR UPGRADE for us but hes not that good ... your setting yourself up for a major dissapointment .... hes a short term place holder not the long term solution ... Hue is saying the right thing naming TT the starter for the year ... that should be the plan ... thing is .. PLANS CHANGE ... and if we draft Rosen or Baker ... once the footballs start flying through the air in August ... Rosen or Baker very well may WIN THE JOB then or definetly by week 8 or so ... There’s a reason TT was benched last year for a guy i’d never heard of ... ... Like i said TT is a MAJOR UPGRADE for us ... but hes got his PROBLEMS and could very well be beat out in TC depending on who we draft ... I think TT was really benched over personal issues and money. not because of his play. 2017 Bills 62.6 completion % 2,799 yards 14 TD's 4 Ints 89.2 QBR those are all more than solid stats. I agree that TT has his issues. However, so does every QB. the question is... with the type of offense we will be running, will those issues be a problem? Does TT or any of the QB's we have the chance to pick fit into Haley's offense? Is there a player that better fits into the scheme that we will be running? those are the questions I wonder about. Personally, I think TT will excel in this offense. I'm not saying that he will lead us to a championship, I just think his style of play will lead us to a .500 season (which may well be a Superbowl) Also, I looked at the fact that the average player only lasts less than 4 years in the NFL. we could increase our odds of landing more talent and going with a QB who is not that old. Hell, we picked a QB in the first round who was just as old as TT. TT should play till he is 35 and if we build a team around will at least make us fun to watch. That's 6 years of more than solid QB play. The other thing to consider, if (when) we draft a QB, it typically will be 2-3 more years of pain before we see results.
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The new HC at Buffalo didnt want him from day 1 ... he tried to get a QB in last year and couldn’t do it ... they were seriously thinking of cutting TT and definetly would have if they could have signed or traded for someone else ... I 100% believe if we didnt trade for him he would have been cut this year .... I dont know if the HC is right or not ... but he just doesn’t think TT is very good at all ... Even the Buffalo fans were miffed when he got benched last year .... i said miffed not upset .. ... TT is way to inconsistent and he will just disappear a few times a year ... I’ve watched a whole lot of this kid ... U think he will provide “6 years of more than solid QB play” ... we just disagree ... IMO he’s barely solid if he is even that ... He will be fun to watch this year ... hes gonna look like Joe Montana after what we’ve witnessed the last few years ... and he has some weapons ...
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Totally get it, I just wonder if TT is good enough to get the team into the playoffs with some more talent around him.
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Ok... so... What if the team goes for a "win now" approach and picks Barkely/Chubb/Fitz/Ward at 1 & 4? Would that be the worst thing to happen?
We could get 2 of the BPA's with a RB/CB/DE
We already have a more than serviceable 28 year old QB with Taylor. (could even make a jump into the top 10 this year with Haley's offense) and could be our QB for the next 5-6 years. If I remember properly, 60-75% of an NFL team is turned over in 5-6 years.
We can pick up some OL pieces in the 2nd and get some more depth all over the place and make a push for the playoffs this year.
aside from being comfortable with the last 5 months of hearing about a QB at 1, would that be the best thing to win games in the next 3-4 years?
Especially since we know the QB we draft at 1 will likely sit on the bench for 1-2 years.
Thoughts?
Yes, take Barkley @1 and Fitz @4.
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QB QB QB That's What Haslem Said He Brought Dorsey Here Fo At The First Press Conference and That's What Will Happen At #1 ... And a year from now will be debating what QB the Browns should take with their top 5 pick in the 2019 draft!
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And a year from now will be debating what QB the Browns should take with their top 5 pick in the 2019 draft!
5th pick? Hey, we're getting better!! Oh, top 5... drat...
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Ok... so... What if the team goes for a "win now" approach and picks Barkely/Chubb/Fitz/Ward at 1 & 4? Would that be the worst thing to happen?
We could get 2 of the BPA's with a RB/CB/DE
We already have a more than serviceable 28 year old QB with Taylor. (could even make a jump into the top 10 this year with Haley's offense) and could be our QB for the next 5-6 years. If I remember properly, 60-75% of an NFL team is turned over in 5-6 years.
We can pick up some OL pieces in the 2nd and get some more depth all over the place and make a push for the playoffs this year.
aside from being comfortable with the last 5 months of hearing about a QB at 1, would that be the best thing to win games in the next 3-4 years?
Especially since we know the QB we draft at 1 will likely sit on the bench for 1-2 years.
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Horrible, horrible idea. Taking a QB with big red flags @1 is a horrible idea.
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And a year from now will be debating what QB the Browns should take with their top 5 pick in the 2019 draft!
5th pick? Hey, we're getting better!! Oh, top 5... drat... yep, it will be anywhere from 1-5.
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Taking a QB with big red flags @1 is a horrible idea.
Agree. Not sure how we can take Allen @1. We'd be doomed.
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Briefly, the MEDIA for some reason wish to tell us all that Defense winning Championships was a dead process. Then we have again been shown that Defense truly does win Championships.
TT is a QB that can match up with a "GREAT" Defense and get them far. Buffalo had a good Defense not great but he got them into the playoffs.
To become a great Defense is by hitting on other rounds besides the first two where IMPACT players usually come from. But defense if you do your research correctly you can find gems all over the place. Defense is funny that way. It is the true interpretation of the term TEAM WORK. You don't need studs every where you need the correct pieces to the puzzle so they make each other better. If you get all 11 doing their job its an amazing result!
So there is a merit to the leadership and knowledge for a defensive player like Fitzpatrick. Also I don't think there is another player on Offense (outside of finding your franchise QB) that can change the entire make up of the success for the Offense side of the ball. Offense is predicated so much on individual effort. Barkley is special. He can make every part of the flow aspect of the Offense greater than what it would be. He would be an OC's dream player.
So I think there is great merit for both players. The intriguing guy for me and I think for Dorsey would be WARD.
Speed is a great variable and Ward has game plus Speed. He is an excellent PIECE of the puzzle.
Again what most here are not considering is who will best make a case for the player they want. Williams (D) or Haley (O).
Dorsey without a doubt has the last say in all decisions regarding players. But what is good is that he LISTENS to his HC and to the top Asst. who know the pieces of the puzzle better than anyone.
Dorsey will have Haley stating his case for Barkley at #4 and Williams stating his case for Fitz, Chubb and Ward for #4.
I think in the end Williams will relinquish the NEED for his guy at 4 over to the Offense which up till now has been a total negative since 1999. He will definitely urge Dorsey to utilize the rest of his top picks 33, 35 n 64 for his Defense. But will bow to the O for #4.
If Barkley is there at #4 and I think Giants most definitely will go QB at #2 if not then They will garnish a treasure chest of picks (Probably Bills) instead of taking one positional player. So either way its QB going at #2. Barkley will be there at #4.
And I must add if Giants take QB in lieu of a trade then we can steal that #40 pick from the Broncos as I'm sure Buffalo will hit us hard for the pick. I would not take the Buffalo pick but would take that Bronco pick and not change our status of being the team to take the first positional player on the board. Giving Williams a haul for Defensive talent at 33, 35, 40 and 64...not all for D but most!
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Totally get it, I just wonder if TT is good enough to get the team into the playoffs with some more talent around him. I think he is ... I think we have a shot to be playoff contenders this year ... i really do ... With a qb last year we could have won 4 - 6 games ... this team wasn’t talentless last year it was quarterback less ... This division is pretty weak ... u never know ... I dont think TT stinks ... i think the best way to put it is i think he’s limited .... Oh well ... we’ll know more in 2.5 days ... and i will enjoy watching and rooting for TT as long as hes our QB ... hes by far our best QB since our return ... only one that comes close is DA ...
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Totally get it, I just wonder if TT is good enough to get the team into the playoffs with some more talent around him. I think he is ... I think we have a shot to be playoff contenders this year ... i really do ... With a qb last year we could have won 4 - 6 games ... this team wasn’t talentless last year it was quarterback less ... This division is pretty weak ... u never know ... I dont think TT stinks ... i think the best way to put it is i think he’s limited .... Oh well ... we’ll know more in 2.5 days ... and i will enjoy watching and rooting for TT as long as hes our QB ... hes by far our best QB since our return ... only one that comes close is DA ... He is at the very least a newer retread...I like the fact that he is not careless, but sometimes it calls for being a 3rd down assassin ... And we have had a few older retreads, that had their moment of glory for another in some distant pass life ...lol...
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Darnold at #1 and I would take Ward at #4 ... JMO
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I think QB mandate and Hue decisions on offense along with a bad secondary lowered the bar to losses. We were in a few. Just win, baby. Win.
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Darnold at 1, and Mayfield at 4.
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Ok... so... What if the team goes for a "win now" approach and picks Barkely/Chubb/Fitz/Ward at 1 & 4? Would that be the worst thing to happen?
We could get 2 of the BPA's with a RB/CB/DE
We already have a more than serviceable 28 year old QB with Taylor. (could even make a jump into the top 10 this year with Haley's offense) and could be our QB for the next 5-6 years. If I remember properly, 60-75% of an NFL team is turned over in 5-6 years.
We can pick up some OL pieces in the 2nd and get some more depth all over the place and make a push for the playoffs this year.
aside from being comfortable with the last 5 months of hearing about a QB at 1, would that be the best thing to win games in the next 3-4 years?
Especially since we know the QB we draft at 1 will likely sit on the bench for 1-2 years.
Thoughts?
I like your plan, Dogg. You can never have too many quality players and reaching for a "need" is the wrong move to go. But it's all perception. Owners, GM's and the like all get caught up in that archaic way of thinking. No QB drafted is going to help us this year and we've already seen in the past two what throwing a rookie QB into the mix early can do. It's just not a recipe for success and it can set even the best QB's back years.
I've said it time and time again, it doesn't matter who we get at QB in the draft because he's gonna sit behind Taylor regardless. So if that guy's gonna sit and learn, does it really matter where he comes from in the draft. Draft slot doesn't guarantee success. So if we draft a guy who we hope will be the right fit, then there's a good chance he won't be. Odds are that half these first round QB's are gonna be garbage. Can they buck the odds, sure, but no one has yet, so you can just cross you fingers that your guy doesn't fold at the first sign of adversity, or you hope he's not a chronic IR designee. At that point, it won't matter if he's the second coming of Marino.
I know we are gonna draft a QB with #1. But I don't think we should if that kid we draft isn't even at the top of our board. If that's the case, why have a board at all?
Here's to hoping we get a UDFA QB and he blows them all out of the water! Wouldn't that be fun! HOFer Kurt Warner, anyone???
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I would be fine with taking Barkley at #1 and Chub or Ward at #4. That gives you the best players in the draft that also fill big needs.
Chances are a good QB will still be there in the 2nd round or we could always trade back up into the first.
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Your score is: 23228 (GRADE: A+)
Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 1: Barkley, Saquon, RB, Penn State (A)
Round 1 Pick 4: Chubb, Bradley, DE, North Carolina State (A)
Round 2 Pick 1: Jackson, Josh, CB, Iowa (A)
Round 2 Pick 3: Jackson, Lamar, QB, Louisville (A+)
Round 2 Pick 32: Hill, BJ, DT, North Carolina State (A-)
Round 4 Pick 14: Cobbs Jr, Simmie, WR, Indiana (A+)
Round 5 Pick 13: Falk, Luke, QB, Washington State (A+)
Round 6 Pick 1: Crabtree, Zachary, OT, Oklahoma State (A+)
Round 7 Pick 1: Gossett, Colby, OG, Appalachian State (A+)
I could live with this draft =)
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