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I think everyone pretty much know it is Darnold now. The FO isn't going to come out and say it, but when the local guys like Daryl Ruiter are saying it is Darnald then we can rest pretty easy that it is.
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I have a feeling that Dorsey likes 2 of the QBs, and is hoping to get the Giants to trade up to #1. I doubt it will be the case, but all of these so called leaks, with different names left and right ..... it would make sense. That's the only thing I keep coming back to when thinking about why there is so much secrecy. If we want QBX and the Giants want QBY, it doesn't hurt to leak or let NY think we might be interested in QBY. If they offer a pick to come up and get QBY, we can still get QBX. Just a waiting game to see if the Giants bite. The key is knowing who QBY is. If QBY happens to also be QBX, then someone outsmarted themselves.
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Some teams simply aren't good at, or have no desire to keep things like that a secret. I was speaking about our #1 pick this year.
You see, before the new rookie deal, teams often negotiated with their possible #1 pick before the draft. With the new deal there's no real need to do that. It makes it easy not to show your hand.
Actually we're in a very unique situation. With us having both the #1 pick and the #4 pick, it makes sense keeping the two teams picking after us guessing. The Giants have to have a contingency plan because they have no idea who we're going to pick at #1. That also holds true for the Jets at #3.
It opens up the possibility for us to trade down to #2 or #3 if either of those teams get nervous. If our FO has two or three choices they consider worthy of the #1 pick, this gives us the upper hand.
In the examples you mentioned none of the points I just made were in consideration. With us having the #4 overall pick in the draft, keeping our intentions known at #1 makes perfect sense.
I'm not trying to say we will trade down with either the Giants or the Jets. What I'm saying is that in our unique situation, keeping all possibilities open is a smart thing to do.
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Just heard Pat Kirwin say something on the radio about teams keeping their boards a secret. He made a comment that it is so important now a days that he would lock his board up and not share it with anyone until the day before. Then he would only share it with the HC - maybe, and the owner - definitely.
No link because it was on Moving the Chains, so take for what you will.
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And his comment was not in relation to the Browns. He was talking about the Cardinal possibly moving up to get a Qb and how teams that moved up for Qb's last draft were so worried that someone would find out who they wanted.
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I said i don’t think its TRUE ... and i’ve gone out of my way to type IF in caps before every statement I’ve made....
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Ummm... I'm not so sure about that.
There was a bit of mystery over who we were going to draft last year. Right up until the pick was made. And that's in a draft that was FAR less crowded at the top than this one.
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It cant be true Willie ... it can’t ... it makes no sense on any level ...
And trust me .... its not that i give the thief a lick of credit .... but he did get rid of Sashi after last years bye debacle and it became clear Hue and Sashi couldn’t work together .... and im not saying the current relationship is even rocky much less toxic ... they could be two peas in a pod for all we know ... but no way could the thief lshove a HC down a gm’s throat if the gm tells him he dont trust the HC ... NO WAY ...
It doesn’t make sense cause it doesnt work ... it simply doesn’t ...
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Of course it doesn't work. Haslem has done this though since he owned the team so obviously it has at least happened previously.
If this were any other organization, and any other owner I would agree with you no way this story is true......but the Browns/Haslem??? Would take the bet it is true every time, and live with result if this is the ONE time something incredibly dumb. coming out of this organization proved to be false. lol.
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Yeah, and his antics landed him where he's at.
Remaining as the HC of The Cleveland Browns? Maybe just believing things doesn't make it so? No, the situation of not even being in the loop of things it would seem. But yeah, it could be opposite of what's portrayed. Maybe Hue and Dorsey get along fine... I doubt any of us work in their offices and observe them.
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Ummm... I'm not so sure about that.
There was a bit of mystery over who we were going to draft last year. Right up until the pick was made. And that's in a draft that was FAR less crowded at the top than this one. All the right people had us taking Garrett.
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Last year MG was a NO BRAINER ... this year ... not even close to a NO BRAINER ...
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There was plenty of talk about Trubisky going #1.
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There was plenty of talk about Trubisky going #1. And plenty of talk about us moving up to 2 take both Garrett and Trub. However, if we could actually find out the answer, I would bet my mortgage against yours that we had Mahomes as the #1 Qb on our board and thought he would fall to #12. Then when KC jumped up to take him, we weren't as prepared as we should have been.
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I said i don’t think its TRUE ... and i’ve gone out of my way to type IF in caps before every statement I’ve made....
What is wrong with u? Did u forget to hit j/c? .... i sure hope so ....
I think you completely misinterpreted my post. But, that's okay. What's wrong w/me? I don't know.....it could be that we have guys who are giddy about any news that can be perceived as harmful to a member of the Browns. I don't want to play w/those types of people anymore. Enjoy.
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Everything I have read or heard points out that Dorsey is a real professional.
I have listened to his press conferences. Watched Building the Browns. What stands out is there is a process that Dorsey will follow to the letter.
Whatever the conclusion it will not be in a vacuum.
It will be a process with no stone unturned. People within will get their say and will be listened too.
They will try to have a consensus. However, in the end if their differences can not be worked out Dorsey will make the call.
His decision will be made with all factors considered.
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There was plenty of talk about Trubisky going #1. And plenty of talk about us moving up to 2 take both Garrett and Trub. However, if we could actually find out the answer, I would bet my mortgage against yours that we had Mahomes as the #1 Qb on our board and thought he would fall to #12. Then when KC jumped up to take him, we weren't as prepared as we should have been. B...I...N...G...Oooo! 
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Observations about the Browns pick:
1. Only Dorsey *knows* who they'll pick at 1
2. That decision has been made
3. Info to the contrary is disinformation
4. His people aren't telling media his plan; they don't know
5. Hue, who will be coaching for his job, is out of the loop
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Observations about the Browns pick:
1. Only Dorsey *knows* who they'll pick at 1
2. That decision has been made
3. Info to the contrary is disinformation
4. His people aren't telling media his plan; they don't know
5. Hue, who will be coaching for his job, is out of the loop Yep. All the hype that's been coming out of the Browns camp seem to be the opposite of how people have ranked the QBs from the end of the season. It used to be "Rosen, Darnold, Mayfield and Allen", and the hype has been completely opposite of that. I wonder if the intention all along was for the Browns to actually go Rosen, and then hope the hype they've built puts the trading price of #4 through the roof.
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I just reported @nflnetwork that Head Coach Hue Jackson is fully in the loop with the @Browns draft plans. He has seen the final draft board as have the coordinators, some personnel staffers and ownership, which has signed off on everything.
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I just reported @nflnetwork that Head Coach Hue Jackson is fully in the loop with the @Browns draft plans. He has seen the final draft board as have the coordinators, some personnel staffers and ownership, which has signed off on everything. Can't be. It doesn't fit the narrative. 
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I just reported @nflnetwork that Head Coach Hue Jackson is fully in the loop with the @Browns draft plans. He has seen the final draft board as have the coordinators, some personnel staffers and ownership, which has signed off on everything. Can't be. It doesn't fit the narrative. Right. And add this... LINK
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Had a brief convo with @Browns GM John Dorsey. No legit trade offers for No.1 pick. As for who that No.1 pick will be? “I haven’t even told my wife.” 🤔@nflnetworkSo if true, that means John doesn't trust his own wife. What does that say about their relationship? Total dysfunction in the Dorsey household. 
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Sounds like the Movie Draft Day.. Coach asks GM didn't he think he should have been consulted about a pick.. GM says.. NO. My job is to get the players.. your job is to coach em. PERIOD.
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Observations about the Browns pick:
1. Only Dorsey *knows* who they'll pick at 1
2. That decision has been made
3. Info to the contrary is disinformation
4. His people aren't telling media his plan; they don't know
5. Hue, who will be coaching for his job, is out of the loop I agree. Hue for sure doesn't know. He is known for talking to the media. A few days ago we saw a blurb from King that Allen would not be the pick. I wouldn't be shocked if Dorsey told that to a few people to see if it surfaced. Dorsey makes the picks. I wouldn't tell any of them anything until locked up in the war room on draft night. They have all had their input. There is nothing else for them to do but wait a watch. The head coach is a media figure. Asst. GM's aren't. I wouldn't tell the head coach squat, especially a guy I have never worked with and a guy who has a rep of being a blabbermouth.
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i honestly dont think it matter if Hue knows or not, as far as the QB goes.
he needs to focus on coaching. im sure he has plenty of influence over all the other positions that isnt QB.
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He has influence over QB as well. I just don't think he has any influence over the draft except to give his input.
I don't think he has any more over the draft than any of the asst coaches.
Now when it comes to cuts I am sure he and the asst. coaches will have more say over the other FO guys, but still, in the end, Dorsey is going to put his thumbprint on the team.
Hue can also decide who to play, except the QB. TT is going to start. After that, I think Dorsey is going to have strong conversations about playing the rook over Stanton this next season.
Hopefully that struggle never surfaces.
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John Dorsey - G - Browns
ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the Browns are shopping the No. 4 pick.
NFL Network's Tom Pelissero adds Cleveland has had "a lot of conversations" about a trade. The fourth-overall pick is a potential move up spot for teams looking to draft a quarterback. The Browns would get multiple Day 2 picks if they trade down, but it may put them out of the range of Saquon Barkley and NC State DE Bradley Chubb.
Related: Bills, Cardinals
Source: Adam Schefter on TwitterApr 25 - 7:09 PM
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One of my favorite quirks about John Dorsey, Browns GM: As far as I know, he's the only NFL exec who sends recruiting videos to potential undrafted FAs before the draft. The 1st part is personalized to the player, and lauds his career. This is the rest. Kinda gets you jacked up! https://twitter.com/RobertKlemko/status/989603147231432704Video in link
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One of my favorite quirks about John Dorsey, Browns GM: As far as I know, he's the only NFL exec who sends recruiting videos to potential undrafted FAs before the draft. The 1st part is personalized to the player, and lauds his career. This is the rest. Kinda gets you jacked up! https://twitter.com/RobertKlemko/status/989603147231432704Video in link That is really cool.
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Just to clarify and correct, while Browns GM John Dorsey has known who he would pick about 6 weeks ago, he still wanted an al[l]-inclusive process for organizational unity. He didn't formally reveal it with owners Jimmy & Dee Haslam until this week, per team sources. According to @mortreport on ESPN just now, John Dorsey’s known who he was going to take for “about six weeks.”
Dorsey told Haslams “about a month ago.”
“Finally told his head coach Hue Jackson two days ago.”
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All that really matters at this point ... Hes gonna tell US in less than 2 hour now ...
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Just to clarify and correct, while Browns GM John Dorsey has known who he would pick about 6 weeks ago, he still wanted an al[l]-inclusive process for organizational unity. He didn't formally reveal it with owners Jimmy & Dee Haslam until this week, per team sources. According to @mortreport on ESPN just now, John Dorsey’s known who he was going to take for “about six weeks.”
Dorsey told Haslams “about a month ago.”
“Finally told his head coach Hue Jackson two days ago.” I hope that these statements are somewhat misleading (intentionally or not). I REALLY don't like the idea that our HC had absolutely no input on the QB we're picking at #1.
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Just to clarify and correct, while Browns GM John Dorsey has known who he would pick about 6 weeks ago, he still wanted an al[l]-inclusive process for organizational unity. He didn't formally reveal it with owners Jimmy & Dee Haslam until this week, per team sources. According to @mortreport on ESPN just now, John Dorsey’s known who he was going to take for “about six weeks.”
Dorsey told Haslams “about a month ago.”
“Finally told his head coach Hue Jackson two days ago.” I hope that these statements are somewhat misleading (intentionally or not). I REALLY don't like the idea that our HC had absolutely no input on the QB we're picking at #1. I think Hue Jackson had input on who he liked/didn't like. I think he just had no say in who we were picking. That is fine.
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I would agree, although I think Hue had input. I just don't think they let him know of their decision, well, until a day or so ago.
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There have also been reports that Hue and his coordinators have been in on setting the board all along. If they didn't know, they had their eyes closed.
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There have also been reports that Hue and his coordinators have been in on setting the board all along. If they didn't know, they had their eyes closed.
Yes, that must be it.
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There have also been reports that Hue and his coordinators have been in on setting the board all along. If they didn't know, they had their eyes closed.
You'd think they absolutely had to know. How can you study guys without coaches who specialize in certain areas input?
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