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Ian Rapoport on twitter just put out a tweet that we have had many conversations about #4. We are looking to maximize the pick

I'm with you. A couple of teams interested in jumping Denver to get their QB, and we can get a nice return on that pick.

Buffalo has a lot of ammo. Two firsts, two seconds, our 3rd round pick. But next year's 1st has to be part of the picture.

Imagine having the 1st round pick of a team that has AJ McCarron backed up by Josh Allen.

Is there?



https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/no-team-can-beat-the-draft/



That kind of thinking also got us the first and fourth picks in this draft (along with three second round picks).

This year Buffalo Draft picks

Round 1: 12 (from Cincinnati), 22 (from Kansas City)

Round 2: 53, 56 (from Los Angeles Rams)

Round 3: 65 (from Cleveland), 96 (from Philadelphia)

Round 4: 121

Round 5: 166

Round 6: 187 (from Cincinnati)

If Buffalo wants it bad enough, I would make them give both ones, a one next year and then 53 or 56 and one of the thirds. That might be enough to sway me.

If QB's go 1, 2, 3 and I am sitting at 4 with the chance for Barkley or Chubb, I still am not sure I make the trade

So you think Barkley and/or Chubb is worth three first round picks, one second round pick, and one third round pick? I am not buying that at all.

Sounds like thumb is on the scale. But if you get the offer, at least listen.

Oooohhhh. Goosebumps. Tomorrow, though, Browns will have to live with some decisions.

Reportedly, Dorsey will need to be absolutely blown away with a trade offer in order to trade down from 4. I believe that the word "ridiculous" was used to describe what it would take.

No, I don't think so at all. But I keep going back to us for so long passing on talent to pick up extra picks and it not working out.

The trades were good, the picks were bad. You are an abuse victim. If Odell Beckham and Jimmy Garoppolo are on our team right now instead of the ghosts of Justin Gilbert and Johnny Manziel you would feel differently.

Lmao. Why waste the Jet Fuel?

#1 ain't for sale.

#4 we can talk on the phone. START with 12 and 22 and your 2019 First Rounder and I MIGHT not hang up on you. We'll go from there.

I know crazy

That sounds great, but it isn't realistic.

A realistic trade down with Buffalo would be they get #4, we get #12 and and our 3rd back we traded to land TT. I wouldn't ask for pick 22.

I'd ask for next years #1 pick. Buffalo has a chance to be like Houston was this year...they probably aren't going to be very good. There is a good chance they pick top 5 next year.


Just say you don't want to trade.


If you don't like trade downs, then you can't like having the #4 pick this year. You can't like one and not the other.

They don't have phones in Buffalo?

Cool. I always liked face to face over a phone conversation. Not to mention that talks can last for hours, even over a few days.

Phone conversations can get BS'ish. Face to face you can take 10 minute breaks, look a person in the eyes....it's just easier to cut through the BS and get down to brass tacks.

Two things ...

#1, don't believe anything you hear or read from now until we pick tomorrow.

#2, will there ever be a year when we draft like we want to win this year and say screw next year's draft?

You want to instill a "winning culture"? Try drafting like you're trying to win NOW. Maybe then the players will actually buy in.

Are you flipping serious?

Move from 4 to 12 for a 3rd?

You're crazy. We're not going to just GIVE anyone a QB at 4.

No way in hell will Dorsey go to 12 for 65. That's just flat out STUPID.

So you would go 1-31 the next 2 years for 5 draft picks?

I understand your point, but I don't think it is ever a bad policy to pay it forward when you can.


When you have a sot at the brass ring maybe you don't, but I don't think we are there quite yet.

I think you missed the part about next years #1 before you call me stupid. Read and comprehend.

Again, #4 for #12, # whatever it was we gave up in the 3rd, and next years #1 pick.


As I said, I think Buffalo isn't going to do well next year. They could be like Houston. I don't think Houston felt like they would have been holding the #4 pick in the draft this year when they made the trade.

I don't think the Bills will be picking at #22 or lower. I think the next years Bills pick will be more valuable. I go for that pick over #22 this year.

Before you can be great, you have to be good. Before you can be good, you have to be competitive. Future draft picks do not help in that pursuit, and I'll tell you why: because next year, some genius will say "we have 2 #1's, 3 #2's, and 2 #3's; we can easily afford to trade back to get a bundle in the 2020 draft.". Meanwhile, the 3-13 seasons pile up. Its been almost 20 years since the Browns returned. I got old waiting to be good again.

And one other thing ...



When you're 1-31, you can't.

Well, me too my friend, but it still doesn't mean we shouldn't do it.

I am perfectly fine holding cards and going with Chubb, or whoever if that is the decision. I am simply saying that if we get a good offer, it has to be considered.

Dorsey doesn't feel like he has to win next year. He can fire a head coach he didn't hire and move on. with a clean slate.

Seriously, if someone gets fired next year, is it Hue or Dorsey?

Plus, we had to suffer through this plan to earn these picks! Pick the damn things!!!!

First, I wouldn't call them things. They are people...


Second, as I said earlier, you have to do what is right for the team. Maybe we can't invest that much in defensive ends in back to back years. We might not be able to sign them again when the contracts are up.


Maybe we need to sign a db to make the numbers work.

And then to trade it like you are suggesting we trade with our gold #4 2018 Houston pick?

Eventually you have to use the pick and take the players. This is the year that we should.

sorry just draft
1 Darnold
2 Barkley then draft ot next year
if Darnold and Barkley live up to billing rest of the division looks up to us for the next 10 years.

Or Chubb and then take Penny later (35). Then the rest of the division fears playing us twice every year.

12,22,53,65 sounds very interesting ttrade all remaining for nxt years

What if we took a QB at #!, but then Chubb and Barkley go 2 & 3? Who do we take then if we cannot trade down?

If the Jets pass on a QB after all they gave up to move to #3, their front office won't survive the evening. lol

I'd say one of those going at 2 is a real possibility. I honestly do not think the NYJets moved up to 3 to take a player other than a QB.

Yes

The Jets reportedly stopped meeting with non-QBs after they traded up.

Roquon Smith Georgia
In my mind he is going to be the beset player coming out of this draft.
I would seriously consider taking him at #4
Only issue is position value.

But that's me, I think Dorsey would take Ward in that situation - if we didn't trade out.

That's what continuously failing franchises do. We have to move past that line of thinking. Seeing that we wound up with the 1 & 4 this year we should use it for all that it is worth and get the two best guys. That is gold. Especially as there is a likelihood that QBs go 1, 2, 3 or, even if they don't...only one other player other than a QB will be gone by the time we pick again. Also, that Houston pick is only "gold" because Watson got injured. Had he not it would most likely be 1 and somewhere in the teens or above.

But Buffalo is gutted as a franchise. 12 and next years I could be persuaded.

j/c

If the FO thinks Ward is a better fit for the Browns than Chubb, a modest trade down might be the thing to do. I'm not sure if Ward makes it to #12, and it seems too high a risk (if Ward is the target.)

Alternatively, if they think Ward is a better fit, then they could just take him at #4.