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https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/25/politics/michael-cohen-fifth-amendment/index.html

Michael Cohen, the longtime personal attorney for President Donald Trump, filed court papers Wednesday indicating he would assert his Fifth Amendment rights against self-incrimination regarding his involvement in a hush money deal involving porn star Stormy Daniels and the President.

Judge wants to hear from Cohen before ruling on Daniels case
Judge wants to hear from Cohen before ruling on Daniels case
Cohen cited FBI raids of his residence, office and hotel room and the seizure of "various electronic devices and documents in my possession," in his filing in US District Court in Los Angeles.
"Based upon the advice of counsel, I will assert my Fifth Amendment rights in connection with all proceedings in this case due to the ongoing criminal investigation by the FBI and US Attorney for the Southern District of New York," Cohen said.
Cohen filed the declaration as part of an effort to have a civil lawsuit filed by Daniels put on hold. The judge in that case said last week that he needed to hear from Cohen directly before deciding on that request.

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so....i didnt know whether or not to put this in the idiot of the week thread. lord knows day won't do it.

so yea....sup with this?


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"So there are five of them taking the Fifth Amendment, like you see on the mob, right?The mob takes the Fifth Amendment. If you’re innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?"

- Donald Trump


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"So there are five of them taking the Fifth Amendment, like you see on the mob, right?The mob takes the Fifth Amendment. If you’re innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?"

- Donald Trump

When you say every single thing that pops into your head.. it's not really surprising how many times these things come back to bite him in the ass.


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Regardless of the quote from trump.....it is not the “suspects” job to provide evidence of guilt....there is a reason the Miranda speech says everything CAN and WILL be used against you......NEVER EVER talk to the police or anyone involved in law enforcement included by judges.....I figured a big anti copper like you would espouse the same.....

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Not sure how to find out, but did anyone take the 5th in the Nixon Admin?

Anyway, the real question is, what's he afraid of? Everyone in the Trump circle is innocent right?


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Regardless of the quote from trump.....it is not the “suspects” job to provide evidence of guilt....there is a reason the Miranda speech says everything CAN and WILL be used against you......NEVER EVER talk to the police or anyone involved in law enforcement included by judges.....I figured a big anti copper like you would espouse the same.....


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"So there are five of them taking the Fifth Amendment, like you see on the mob, right?The mob takes the Fifth Amendment. If you’re innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?"

- Donald Trump


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Regardless of the quote from trump.....it is not the “suspects” job to provide evidence of guilt....there is a reason the Miranda speech says everything CAN and WILL be used against you......NEVER EVER talk to the police or anyone involved in law enforcement included by judges.....I figured a big anti copper like you would espouse the same.....


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"So there are five of them taking the Fifth Amendment, like you see on the mob, right?The mob takes the Fifth Amendment. If you’re innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?"

- Donald Trump


Uh, so that is what Trump thinks about using the 5th.
Do you agree with him or not?
What is the big deal with that?

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Not sure how to find out, but did anyone take the 5th in the Nixon Admin?

Anyway, the real question is, what's he afraid of? Everyone in the Trump circle is innocent right?


That is the real question.


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There’s nothing wrong with taking the 5th, in general.

Just remember, trump, Flynn, and his supports (read:you) were whining about people taking the 5th must mean they’re guilty.

Well? This is what trumps thinks about people who pleaded the 5h.

So I wonder how he views his own personal lawyer now. Please to try and act like it isn’t a big deal with your president decided to turn pleading the 5th into a big deal.


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Originally Posted By: Damanshot
Not sure how to find out, but did anyone take the 5th in the Nixon Admin?

Anyway, the real question is, what's he afraid of? Everyone in the Trump circle is innocent right?


We have the RIGHT to not testify against ourselves. Guilt must be proven by the Prosecution.

If my Attorney tells me to plead the 5th, I plead the 5th.
If he tells me to spill my guts, I spill my guts.
Whether or not I have something to hide means nothing, I have that RIGHT.
What is the problem with that?

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There’s nothing wrong with taking the 5th, in general.

Just remember, trump, Flynn, and his supports (read:you) were whining about people taking the 5th must mean they’re guilty.

Well? This is what trumps thinks about people who pleaded the 5h.

So I wonder how he views his own personal lawyer now. Please to try and act like it isn’t a big deal with your president decided to turn pleading the 5th into a big deal.


So you are admonishing me for being against people using the 5th in a past case but now you are saying exactly what you say I said.
What gives?

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Yes, because YOU said it, not me. I never made the claim or supported someone who said that someone who pleaded the 5th must be guilty.

I just love pointing out the hypocrisy. It’s hilarious.

Although I must say, Flynn pleaded the 5th....and then proceeded to flip on trump.

Wonder if Cohen has the ability to keep his mouth shut, or will he break.


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Not sure how to find out, but did anyone take the 5th in the Nixon Admin?

Anyway, the real question is, what's he afraid of? Everyone in the Trump circle is innocent right?


That is the real question.


You just did, right here. tsktsk

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Is it not a valid question?

Everyone knows he’s a fixer. That isn’t a new job by the way, and there are thousands around the world.

My own issues with Cohen is with regards to the Prague trip.

But as far as this is concerned, it’s about where her money for the hush payments came from.

Let’s be real here, Cohen didn’t drop any of his own cash for this. Why would he?

IF, a big IF he did, that’s stupid, but not illegal.

But if it came from campaign funds.....come on 40. Even you know it’s a crap storm waiting to happen if it went down like that.


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And like Flynn, him pleading the 5th isn’t gonna save him.

Now it’s about self preservation. Cohen will absolutely sing like a bird if he can avoid jail time.

We all know it.


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And like Flynn, him pleading the 5th isn’t gonna save him.

Now it’s about self preservation. Cohen will absolutely sing like a bird if he can avoid jail time.

We all know it.


No, we all don't know it. You believe it.

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Regardless of the quote from trump.....it is not the “suspects” job to provide evidence of guilt....there is a reason the Miranda speech says everything CAN and WILL be used against you......NEVER EVER talk to the police or anyone involved in law enforcement included by judges.....I figured a big anti copper like you would espouse the same.....


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"So there are five of them taking the Fifth Amendment, like you see on the mob, right?The mob takes the Fifth Amendment. If you’re innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?"

- Donald Trump


Uh, so that is what Trump thinks about using the 5th.
Do you agree with him or not?
What is the big deal with that?


Yes, I agree with Trump. If you are innocent, why plead the 5th. So, what is Cohen guilty of.

Trump was right about another item during his campaign.

I'm paraphrasing now, but it was something like:

"I could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and I wouldn't lose a vote"

That says it all about Trump voters....

Do you realize the number of excuses you and other trump guys use to defend him.

If Obama did anything like the crap that Trump does, you'd have been on FIRE....


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Yea yea, Trump says lots of things, big deal, it ain't National Policy.

Cohen is a business man and an Attorney, owning many businesses, and that is what he is looking to protect from the Southern District of NY Prosecutors.

The only question involving the President is did Cohen use campaign contributions to pay Stormy.

Trump is not being investigated, Cohen is for his business practices. The Justice Department said this.

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Yea yea, Trump says lots of things, big deal, it ain't National Policy.

Cohen is a business man and an Attorney, owning many businesses, and that is what he is looking to protect from the Southern District of NY Prosecutors.

The only question involving the President is did Cohen use campaign contributions to pay Stormy.

Trump is not being investigated, Cohen is for his business practices. The Justice Department said this.


Like I said, you waste a lot of time with the excuse after excuse to protect the more criminal president we've ever had.. Way more than Nixon...


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Yea yea, Trump says lots of things, big deal, it ain't National Policy.

Cohen is a business man and an Attorney, owning many businesses, and that is what he is looking to protect from the Southern District of NY Prosecutors.

The only question involving the President is did Cohen use campaign contributions to pay Stormy.

Trump is not being investigated, Cohen is for his business practices. The Justice Department said this.


Like I said, you waste a lot of time with the excuse after excuse to protect the more criminal president we've ever had.. Way more than Nixon...



I waste no time in confronting the new world you on the Left have created for us where accusation alone is enough to lynch anyone.

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Yea yea, Trump says lots of things, big deal, it ain't National Policy.

Cohen is a business man and an Attorney, owning many businesses, and that is what he is looking to protect from the Southern District of NY Prosecutors.

The only question involving the President is did Cohen use campaign contributions to pay Stormy.

Trump is not being investigated, Cohen is for his business practices. The Justice Department said this.


Like I said, you waste a lot of time with the excuse after excuse to protect the more criminal president we've ever had.. Way more than Nixon...



I waste no time in confronting the new world you on the Left have created for us where accusation alone is enough to lynch anyone.


No, you just waste time excusing every idiotic thing this lame president does.


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We have the RIGHT to not testify against ourselves. Guilt must be proven by the Prosecution.


LOL .. You do realize guilt is proven in a court of law where everyone is deposed, testifying under oath. This opens the door for prosecutors to depose Mr. Twitter and all the others involved now. The hamma is coming down. Enjoy


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The Hamma has been falling for 2 years now and it has been hitting squarely on the heads of the Left. thumbsup

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Maybe Cohen should do what the gun runner Holder did ....just don't answer any question get up and walk out done and over. libs thought that was cool

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Maybe Cohen should do what the gun runner Holder did ....just don't answer any question get up and walk out done and over. libs thought that was cool


what about what about what about what about.

also, holder didn't plead the 5th.


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The Hamma has been falling for 2 years now and it has been hitting squarely on the heads of the Left. thumbsup


You just called Russian bots hamma's. naughtydevil


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The Hamma has been falling for 2 years now and it has been hitting squarely on the heads of the Left. thumbsup


Hey, 40's back from his time out! How'd the rest of the meltdown go?

I love how in a thread about Trump's idiot lawyer taking the Fifth because Trump forgot to sign the NDA for his prostitute, 40 is crowing about "The Hamma" falling on "the Left"

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whats funny about all of this?

it's melania's birthday today, and in a fox news interview this morning, Trump admitted that cohen represented him in the stormy daniels case with payment.

happy birthday, Melania.


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The Hamma has been falling for 2 years now and it has been hitting squarely on the heads of the Left. thumbsup


Hey, 40's back from his time out! How'd the rest of the meltdown go?

I love how in a thread about Trump's idiot lawyer taking the Fifth because Trump forgot to sign the NDA for his prostitute, 40 is crowing about "The Hamma" falling on "the Left"


More PDF facts I see.

I don't feel melted.
The Hamma has been falling on the heads of the Left as the false accusations of Collusion and Obstruction are a joke and the draining of crooked FBI officials has dried up the swamp quite a bit.

You should stick with telling us what posters said 4 years before they even came here. rofl

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rofl rofl rofl


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whats funny about all of this?

it's melania's birthday today, and in a fox news interview this morning, Trump admitted that cohen represented him in the stormy daniels case with payment.

happy birthday, Melania.


He gave her fancy sound cancelling headphones and a blackout mask.


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I would think "our" "President" has better things to do than call into a morning show, or play golf, or tweet.

But hey, I can't always be right.


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The Hamma has been falling for 2 years now and it has been hitting squarely on the heads of the Left. thumbsup


Hey, 40's back from his time out! How'd the rest of the meltdown go?

I love how in a thread about Trump's idiot lawyer taking the Fifth because Trump forgot to sign the NDA for his prostitute, 40 is crowing about "The Hamma" falling on "the Left"


More PDF facts I see.

I don't feel melted.
The Hamma has been falling on the heads of the Left as the false accusations of Collusion and Obstruction are a joke and the draining of crooked FBI officials has dried up the swamp quite a bit.



rofl Trump's finger is in the dike while the swamp overflows.


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I would think "our" "President" has better things to do than call into a morning show, or play golf, or tweet.


Nope. It's all about the ratings.

Murica!


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That was my point he didn't plead the 5th he just decided not to answer any questions and that was that and your cool with it as I figured.

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I would think "our" "President" has better things to do than call into a morning show, or play golf, or tweet.

But hey, I can't always be right.


i agree, but from the reports, he doesn't actually start work til sometime around 11.


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i never said i was cool with that.

so now you're blatantly lying and making things up. go away.


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More PDF facts I see.

I don't feel melted.


So you didn't catch a ban for melting down and calling Cold a name because he was mocking you for the time you got all scared when you thought "ANTIFA SuperSoldiers" were going to behead small business owners and white parents?

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The Hamma has been falling on the heads of the Left as the false accusations of Collusion and Obstruction are a joke and the draining of crooked FBI officials has dried up the swamp quite a bit.


Trump's lawyer lied about paying Trump's prostitute with campaign money, which happened because Trump is so dumb he forgot to sign the NDA.

It's pretty cut and dry, and that's why Cohen plead the Fifth.

What about it sounds like a joke to you?

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Michael Cohen, the longtime personal attorney for President Donald Trump, filed court papers Wednesday indicating he would assert his Fifth Amendment rights against self-incrimination regarding his involvement in a hush money deal involving porn star Stormy Daniels and the President.

Judge wants to hear from Cohen before ruling on Daniels case
Judge wants to hear from Cohen before ruling on Daniels case
Cohen cited FBI raids of his residence, office and hotel room and the seizure of "various electronic devices and documents in my possession," in his filing in US District Court in Los Angeles.
"Based upon the advice of counsel, I will assert my Fifth Amendment rights in connection with all proceedings in this case due to the ongoing criminal investigation by the FBI and US Attorney for the Southern District of New York," Cohen said.
Cohen filed the declaration as part of an effort to have a civil lawsuit filed by Daniels put on hold. The judge in that case said last week that he needed to hear from Cohen directly before deciding on that request.

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so....i didnt know whether or not to put this in the idiot of the week thread. lord knows day won't do it.

so yea....sup with this?


Ok so he don't want to talk. Fine, they already snagged all his electronic devices and boxes of paperwork. They already got the goods.

And if he don't want to talk and pleads the 5th, fine then you make sure he gets the maximum sentence in the worst fed prison far from home.

Again, as Trump said, why you pleading the fifth if you didn't do nothing wrong.

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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
I waste no time in confronting the new world you on the Left have created for us where accusation alone is enough to lynch anyone.


There's literal receipts of Trump campaign payments to Stormy Daniels.

As well as the released NDA Trump forgot to sign.


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