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Not many franchises have ever been in the situation we're in, so it's hard to compare. But the Patriots and Seahawks trade down all the time. Almost every year.



I agree the pick is gold, we just disagree on how to use it. I believe teams, meaning the whole league, are bad at picking players. Teams fail at drafting players more often than not. Armed with that knowledge, I'd like to pick more times than less.

If you believe John Dorsey and the rest of the new front office is better than the rest of everyone and that they can pick good players for sure, then I understand why you want him to stay with the fourth pick.



That's the point. The pick was a lottery ticket and we hit. The more lottery tickets the better.

Dude, that is NOT going to happen. I promise you.

Dorsey WILL be better than anybody at 1 and 4. BECAUSE...it's the #1 pick...all players are a gamble, but at least it is the pick of the board. And 4...because at least 2, maybe 3 QBs will go by the time we pick at 4. Essentially a pick of the board scenario. Again.

GOLDEN draft and the #4 landed in our laps due to a high flying team nosediving once their QB got injured. Take advantage as it most likely wont be handed to you again.

Or, you can continue to trade down and get your Phil Taylor, Owen Marecic, Greg Little's and Brandon Weeden's or a ton of no name WRs who most likely all but 1 will be gone by the time we narrow down to our 53. Because that is what we have proven to do...time and time again. Not saying we do this time around with the folks we have in the FO...but, there is also that gamble.

It's interesting that you trust Dorsey to pick the right player at #4, but later in the first round.

Also, the picks were the problem, not the trades.

That wouldn't even get my attention
I don't want to move down past 7 but would be willing to move to 9
If I am going past p then I need a treasure trove.

It will take 12 and 22 and next year's 1st rounder to get me to listen.
I want #65 back as well.
To make it more palatable to Buffalo, I would be willing to swap late round picks

Assuming you mean "not later"?

I do...however, once you move down there is a significantly higher likelihood other teams get your guy and then you are on plan B, C, D.... This time around...take plan A. The only thing I can imagine is IF their guy at 4 is gone (Giants take him) then go with plan B. But, at this point after 1-31 and previous GMs trading down and acquiring picks I don't think Plan A should be trade down and hoard picks. I also seem to remember a lot of people in here being pretty upset that we traded down when Hooker was still on the board. Yet, a year later and people are saying we should trade down. Hmmm...ok.

Correct.





I don't think a team should go into a draft thinking they'll get "their guy" unless they have the #1 pick. They should have a bunch of guys and when presented with the opportunity to get more value and one of their guys they should do it.



This is the real reason people don't want to trade down. They are scared because of past picks. The picks were wrong, the trades were right. Like I said earlier, if we have Odell Beckham and Jimmy Garoppolo on the roster, everyone loves the trade down.




I was not one of those people. I am always in favor of the trade down (unless there is a QB that you want available at your pick).

I think the problem with previous trade downs is that they didn't have a plan in place. If you are going to drop5 spots then you need to have 5 players who you are comfortable drafting.

I believe the year the we drafted Gilbert that we were planning to draft Evans at Wr. However he went before our pick and we weren't prepared for that, JMO

I'm guessing they give that deal to the Giants. Makes more sense for both sides. Bills get in front of Jets for QB, and Giants can try to fix their OL.

I had been thinking NY would go Chubb, but Eli or his replacement will need better blockers to have success.

Giants pick is the million dollar question. Do they take a QB, Chubb/Barkley/lineman or trade down with the Bills or somebody else? While we control this draft...the Giants have significant influence on what we will do at 4, which could alter the direction we take after #1.

If that is true, then we've let them control the draft despite having 2 of the top 4 picks. Sad.

cfrs15...fair enough. We see things differently. I feel that we have as golden an opportunity as ever with the 1 & 4. It most likely will never land in our hands again. Use the pick.

However, IF the guy you really want is gone at 2....then I can foresee a trade down. But, if a transformative/generational player is there and you can use him (we can use both Chubb and Barkley!)...don't trade just to acquire picks. We can still possibly get Oliver at 33 and a LB for depth at 35 or 64 or a WR/interior Dlineman at 35 or 64. I am one who is willing to run with Coleman/Johnson/Drango + maybe sign a guy on waivers for this year and draft a LT next year. Only because this Oline class for left tackles isn't brilliant.

Edit: Darnold at 1, if Chubb is there at 4...take him, 33 Oliver, 35 Penny and 64 either WR/DT or LB! That would be my dream draft!

I've said Barkley from the start. Too late to change it now. SB at #2...still.

Browns and Broncos are ready to move down
Posted by Darin Gantt on April 26, 2018, 6:30 AM EDT

AP
After the Browns take their quarterback of the future with the first pick, they may start looking for more future draft picks.

According to Adam Schefter of ESPN, the Browns are shopping the No. 4 overall pick, and the Broncos are doing the same with the fifth pick.

With so many teams looking to find a quarterback and not having the good fortune to choose in the top five (such as the Bills, Cardinals, and perhaps Dolphins), those picks have incredible value this year.

The Browns may find a deal which includes a future first-rounder, and continue the asset-stockpiling of the previous regime.

Of course, there’s a question as to whether the Browns might be better served to use the pick themselves and add an impact player such as Bradley Chubb or Saquon Barkley to a roster that has been overhauled. They didn’t bring either player to their facility for pre-draft visits though, which might have been a clue about their intent.

Depending on how far they would be willing to go, there’s still the chance to find talent they need. The Colts have also indicated they’re willing to listen to offers for the sixth pick, which sets the stage for an eventful first round.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/04/26/browns-and-broncos-are-ready-to-move-down/

I usually like your posts and agree with most of them, but this is twisted logic.
At #1 what we do has significant influence over what the NYG do at #2 and everyone that comes after us.
Once the NYG are on the clock, what they do has a significant influence on all the picks that follow, including us at #4

Someone needs to read the definition of insanity.

I hate trading down. It means we always have to reach for a player.

From old friend Mike Lombardi:



https://twitter.com/mlombardiNFL/status/989571233434947584

https://twitter.com/LanceZierlein/status/989574571379515392

So Zierlein is saying:

1. Mayfield
2. Barkley
3. Rosen
4. Bonanza

Ugh, not what I want. Hard to judge without knowing the return

If we want to trade down, we really need the Giants to take Barkley or a QB. They can't trade down. If a QB goes second, to a team that trades down, then the price to trade up to pick #4 drops a ton.

I'd agree with that

Right now I am struggling to hold on to this thought (#1 above). I am going to be very deflated if they draft Mayfield.

Wouldn't bother me. As a SEC fan living close to the Georgia state line (11 miles) I catch a lot of Georgia games.


He's a heck of a player.

The Browns GM's have done some stupid things over the years but they cannot be this dumb can they?

Let's see what happens. . .