DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Palus Politicus Waffle House shooting leaves 4 dead, several wounded in Tennessee

Come up with a plan Willit, Arch, someone.

I did. Let's try and fix what is wrong with our gun legislation. We need to work together on this one even if we don't like each other. Help me come up with some laws that work. I've put my first effort out there, and I'm waiting for you all to help out.

Awesome, so it's your opinion that hunting isn't dumb.

I still think it's dumb.

Can we talk about fixing our gun legislation now?

I do. The war on drugs has not worked, the same as prohibition did with booze. What some people do not understand, is this is America. Not Japan, or Norway.

Sorry, Despite Gun-Control Advocates' Claims, U.S. Isn't The Worst Country For Mass Shootings

https://www.investors.com/politics/edito...mass-shootings/


But a study of global mass-shooting incidents from 2009 to 2015 by the Crime Prevention Research Center, headed by economist John Lott, shows the U.S. doesn't lead the world in mass shootings. In fact, it doesn't even make the top 10, when measured by death rate per million population from mass public shootings.

So who's tops? Surprisingly, Norway is, with an outlier mass shooting death rate of 1.888 per million (high no doubt because of the rifle assault by political extremist Anders Brevik that claimed 77 lives in 2011). No. 2 is Serbia, at just 0.381, followed by France at 0.347, Macedonia at 0.337, and Albania at 0.206. Slovakia, Finland, Belgium, and Czech Republic all follow. Then comes the U.S., at No. 11, with a death rate of 0.089.

That's not all. There were also 27% more casualties from 2009 to 2015 per mass shooting incident in the European Union than in the U.S.

"There were 16 cases where at least 15 people were killed," the study said. "Out of those cases, four were in the United States, two in Germany, France, and the United Kingdom."

"But the U.S. has a population four times greater than Germany's and five times the U.K.'s, so on a per-capita basis the U.S. ranks low in comparison — actually, those two countries would have had a frequency of attacks 1.96 (Germany) and 2.46 (UK) times higher."

Yes, the U.S. rate is still high, and nothing to be proud of. But it's not the highest in the developed world. Not by a long shot.

Yet, some today propose banning rifles, in particular AR-15s, because they've been used in a number of mass killings. It's important to note however that, according to FBI crime data cited this week by the Daily Caller, deaths by knives in the U.S. outnumber deaths by rifles by five to 1: In 2016, 1,604 people were killed by knives and other cutting instruments, while 374 were killed by rifles.

So is it not fair to ask: If we're banning rifles, why not knives, too?

-----------------------------------------------

https://www.voanews.com/a/mass-shooting-around-the-world/4053904.html

An edited list of mass shootings that have taken place in other parts of the world:

Paris, France
November, 2015
Terrorists claiming allegiance to Islamic State carried out several coordinated attacks in the city, including shootings of pedestrians on the street and a mass shootings at the Bataclan theatre. One hundred and thirty people were killed in the combined attacks.

Paris, France
January, 2015
Islamist gunmen stormed the office of Charlie Hebdo, a satirical weekly magazine, and killed 12 people, including the paper's top editors and cartoonists, in anger over its satirical cartoons of Islamic terrorists and the Prophet Muhammad.

Nairobi, Kenya
September, 2013
Al-Shabab Islamist militants, who are based in Somalia, attacked the upscale Westgate mall in Nairobi, killing nearly 70 people and wounding about 175. The siege latest for three days before government troops could end the attack.

Utoya, Norway
July, 2011
A gunman disguised as a policeman opened fire at a youth camp for political activists on the small island of Utoya, northwest of Oslo. The gunman, who had been linked to an anti-Islamic group, killed 68 campers. Separately, the gunman set off a bomb in Oslo that killed 8 people.

Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
April, 2011
A 23-year-old former student returned to his public school in Rio de Janeiro and opened fire on the students, killing 12 children and seriously wounding more than a dozen others, before shooting himself in the head.

Baku, Azerbaijan
April, 2009
A Georgian citizen of Azerbaijani descent killed 12 students and staff at the Azerbaijan State Oil Academy. Several others were wounded.

Winnenden, Germany
March, 2009
A 17-year-old boy shot and killed 15 people at his school, Albertville Technical High School, in southwestern Germany.

Mumbai, India
November, 2008
Islamist terrorists carried out a series of shooting and bombing attacks across the city over the span of several days, including mass shootings at two hotels, the Taj Mahal Palace Hotel and the Oberoi Trident. The attacks left 164 people dead and a further 308 people were wounded.

Moscow, Russia
October, 2002
A group of armed Chechen militants seized the crowded Dubrovka theater and took 850 people hostage. At least 170 people died in the terrorist attack.

Erfurt, Germany
April, 2002
A 19-year-old student opened fire at his secondary school, killing 16 people, including 13 teachers, two students, and one policeman, before killing himself.

Port Arthur, Australia
April, 1996
A 28-year old man opened fire at a cafe on a historic penal colony site in Tasmania, killing 35 people and wounding 23. It was the worst mass-murderer in modern Australian history.

Dunblane, Scotland
March, 1996
A gunman killed 16 children and one teacher at Dunblane Primary School before killing himself.

Montreal, Canada
December, 1989
A 25-year-old gunman shot 28 people at the École Polytechnique in Montreal, Quebec, killing 14 women, before committing suicide.

Why do you keep saying this? Heres my plan - get rid of every gun law. Darwin will sort it out.

A lot of it does have to do with a people problem... as to why aren't there as many mass shootings in other countries.. man that's a tough one. There just seems to be a level of hatred and distrust in this country that doesn't seem to exist in other countries..

And while folks bicker back and forth and pass stats back and forth.... the overall gun homicide rate is going down, which is good. What's not good is this trending pattern of just random shootings. Used to be almost all gun homicides were people shooting people they know, whether it was domestic issue like cheating spouse or a drug deal gone wrong or a bar fight that got out of control.. this growing trend of just planning and executing an assault on a bunch of people you don't even know just because you are pissed at the world is the really disturbing part of the whole situation.

But guns are the problem, that contradicts everything said by 442 - if guns were the problem, that number would be up since we have more guns today than every before, no?

aint that the truth.

Sounds a lot like mental illness problems (people)

Ok, that's a start. Good job on starting. Let's build on that.

Get rid of every gun law... and then start fresh with laws that actually work.

Cool. Try and think of something that might help.

But they've got all those problems elsewhere too. We're not the only country that deals with that stuff.

Don't need too, that will work.

Definitely mental illness. So other countries don't have mental illness? (Well they do have better healthcare to deal with mental illness)

So you don't want to really do anything then. You think getting rid of all gun laws, and not implementing anything new will stop school shootings?

So you really do think school shootings aren't a problem.

I thought you were smarter than that.

Not what was said was it? Ther you go Assuming again.

Not what was said either. But putting up a sign that says no guns hasn't worked, has it?

Your laws will not prevent school shootings. again, more laws have been placed than ever before, yet you keep saying school shootings are happening every second (which the facts show, you have more a chance of hitting the lottery than being a school shooting, twice).

I want to conduct a study put a school next to ever school in the country. all the new schools, arm it with guards. Lets see what school the next shooter goes into, the armed one, or the one where guns are banned. . . .

I gotta say, you rally are the most out there on this board. I mean you really are a triggered one huh?

I don't care if I contradict what 442 says.. he's over there, I'm over here.. we have some similar opinions and some different. When I post my thoughts on guns and violence, at no point do I consider 442's opinions to make sure we are in agreement.


Maybe but that is kind of a cop out answer.. when the notion of some kind of mental illness screening comes up to qualify for gun ownership the argument that comes back is.. well what about somebody who had depression 10 years ago.. or lost a child and sought counseling at some point... so if we can agree we have a mental health issue that is leading to gun violence, can we start there with how to prevent that?

Your answer

You keep saying that more laws have been placed than ever before. Yet school shootings still occur. So reasonable deduction would be that those laws in place aren't working.

So I've asked you repeatedly to think up some new way of doing it that will work. And you won't. You refuse to try. You just say to get rid of them all.

And I've never said anything about school shootings happening every second. But they sure are happening more frequently aren't they?

I haven't assumed anything. You don't want to help. That's obvious.

And from what you just said, you want to make schools prisons. Great. If that's your plan, we've got a lot of work to do.

You're the one who doesn't want to do anything at all.

That really screams that you think everything is just A-OK. You must be fine with school shootings.

And I'm not.

So by that article, the reputable source that I'm sure it is, we're not good at gun control, but not as bad as others?

So you think we're doing a good job too?

You're cool with the ever-increasing amount of school shootings?

I'm not.

We can do better. Lets try. Come up with a better plan than we currently have Vambo.

Reasonable deduction would state that more laws will lead to more shootings.

They are, as soon as it was advertised that schools were left unprotected. Shootings never happened at schools when kids had shotguns in their trucks, or teachers were armed.

Weird, prisons have guns, lots of them, yet very little shootings. Schools have 0 guns, lots of shootings. wanna go to deductive reasoning again, or you wanna leave that out here on this one?

This is why we cant have nice things. you are pathetic in your attempts right now. that's why even the gun control guys on this board, are not saying anything

When was the last mass shooting at a shooting range?

You don't want to do anything. You keep saying more laws will lead to more shootings. Which isn't deductive reasoning by the way.

So if you don't want to do anything at all, it should be fair to say you're good with the status quo. And what is the status quo? Lots of shootings.

NO. We do not negotiate with our Rights under the Constitution.

If you really want to negotiate away your Rights, let us begin with your Right to say the things you have said.

So lets make our schools like prisons then. Zero shootings.

I guess that's a plan.

And Vambo, are you saying that you want every kid in school to carry a gun? Because that's essentially the point you're making about a shooting range. You can see that right?

So you guys are all cool with mass shootings.

There's nothing more to be said.

ITs what he don't understand, he thinks our rights under the constitution are to be "compromised" sad world he lives it. I wonder what the D-Day soldiers would say about people like him.

And I wonder what future generations will say about you. If there are future generations.

hahahahahahah

your too funny. the sky is fallllllllinnnnnnnggggggggggggggggggggg

I'm going to go enjoy the draft with friends.

You all can sit around and talk about how great 'Murica is with your guns in hand. I hope none of you ever have to experience a family member loss from gun violence.

Good luck with the 2A.

NRA receives record haul of donations in wake of Parkland shootings

The gun rights organization says it's Political Victory Fund raised $2.4 million in March, setting a 21st-century fundraising record for the group in the month after a gunman killed 17 people at a Florida high school.

https://www.pressherald.com/2018/04/24/n...land-shootings/

Never said that you are twisting words shame on you!

That is sad and disgusting. And I'm actually disgusted anyone would be proud of that. It's crazy.

If the NRA wanted to do some good, they'd donate that money to the victim's families. But the NRA will use it to buy some more politicians.

Truly sad and disgusting. And if I was one of the Victim's family members, and the NRA did try and give back that donated money to us, I'd reject it. I don't want that disgusting money.

NRA is garbage. I am BETTER THAN THE NRA. Guess I'm elitist there.

Not twisting words when you brought up how many mass shootings there's been at a shooting range, where everyone there has a gun. Don't try and back track. You made a bad leap there.

America knows where to turn when our 2nd Amendment Rights are threatened.

I wonder how much time he spends trying to put the toothpaste back in the tube .... ....

Never.. (This includes college campuses as well)
1940s - 11 kids killed in school shootings
1950s - 14
1960s - 44
1970s - 37
1980s - 49
(Gun free school zones is passed in 1990.. by a republican)
1990s - 89
2000s - 108
2010s - 200 (+/- that's extrapolating out the trend)

Now, looking at it.. from 1900s through the 1980s (90 years) there were 3 shootings in which more than 5 people were killed (1 every 30 years on average) with the only one over 10 people being 17 in the famous Univ. of Texas shooting.

Since 1990 (27 years) there have been 12 shootings in which 5 or more people were killed (almost 1 every other year) including a 15, 33, 28, and 17..



Just guessing that if we let the inmates go home every night and come back with whatever they could fit in a backpack.. I'm guessing violence in prisons would go up tremendously.

And you might be ok with kids going to school in a building that looks like, and is guarded like, a prison.. but I don't.

Pleas show where I said "are you saying that you want every kid in school to carry a gun? " or admit those are your words that's how you choose to think what I said meant.

I only care that the kids come home at the end of the day.