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Maybe they really don't want safe they want to take away guns regardless.

Seems that is what they wanted all along.

They will talk all day about limiting guns and who can have them but the thought of providing actual security to make the schools safe from all threats makes them feel bad.

Nothing. The TSA is a waste. They fail to catch 80% of the things they are supposed to stop.

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Says the guy that wants to strip everyone of their constitutional rights.

No one said that.

See, this kind of thought process on your end is part of the reason I can't take you seriously.

So, you'd like to have the NRA donate the money to families of victims, but you'd reject it anyway?

I haven't been a member of the NRA for 2 years. You've made me decide to become a member again.

The NRA thanks you.

Maybe you don't really want safe either as long as nobody touches your guns...

Oklahoma House passes 'Constitutional Carry' gun bill

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/04/26/oklahoma-house-passes-constitutional-carry-gun-bill.html

The Oklahoma House of Representatives on Wednesday passed what has been dubbed as the ‘Constitutional Carry’ gun bill in a 59-28 vote.

The bill would allow all law-abiding Oklahomans to carry a loaded, concealed handgun without a permit, permitting handgun owners in the state to carry their weapon in most public places. However, some areas where firearms are already prohibited by law -- such as the ones listed here -- are still exempt.

Additionally, the bill’s author, Rep. Jeff Coody, R-Okla., filed an amendment that would permit handgun owners to also carry in a wildlife refuge or management area.

Coody was not immediately available for comment when contacted by Fox News on Thursday.

Supporters of the bill, which also does away with training and background checks, argue it protects a gun owner’s right to self defense.

"Would it surprise you that the majority that have committed heinous crimes either have mental health conditions or the background checks have not been followed up? We're failing on that end. We need to concentrate on that end and not hinder our law-abiding citizens," Rep. Justin Humphrey, R-Okla., who supported the bill, said.

"There’s not mandated training, but a law-abiding citizen who avails himself of a weapon would be extremely foolish not to seek training, Coody said, according to the Tulsa World. "My position has always been that responsible citizens will get more training that (sic) required under existing law."

Another supporter and member of the Oklahoma 2nd Amendment Association said the bill allows people in the state to protect themselves and eliminates the costly permit process.

The association, which backed the bill, did not respond to Fox News' request for comment.

Opponents say the bill presents certain safety and training issues, arguing that now is not an appropriate time to expand gun rights, citing recent mass shootings, such as the one in Parkland, Fla., in February, KOCO5 reported.

One of the bill's opponents, Rep. Shane Stone, D-Okla., said that while he is a supporter of the second amendment, “we need to have reasonable restrictions,” he told Fox News on Thursday.

Many of Coody’s arguments were “inconsistent with the constitution,” he said, adding that the bill is “anti-safety and anti-law enforcement” because the bill, if signed into law, could put law enforcement officers at risk.

"It's [the bill] too far out there," said Stone.

"I do not support the rights of law enforcement to feel not threatened or safe to the detriment of my own constitutional rights," Coody said in response to the law enforcement argument, according to KFOR.

Stone said many of his constituents agreed with his perspective, echoing similar sentiments as the bill was debated Wednesday night.

The Senate is expected to decide on the bill by next week, the representative said, adding that he thinks the chances of it passing are “pretty good.”

If passed, it will be presented to Gov. Mary Fallin for a signature. Stone said he doesn’t expect Fallin to veto the bill.

I care about the mental health of my kids as well.. something you obviously don't really give a crap about since you want to treat them like some combination of suspect and target every day when they go to school. All so you can not only own guns, but own every single type of gun you want, with whatever accessories you want, and buy it from an unlicensed dealer without any kind of checks...

If we end up creating prison type schools, just stop calling this the greatest country on earth.. just stop it.

DC: I appreciate your continued efforts. I really do. But I've watched too many of these 'cookie-cutter conversations' to really spend much time in them any more.

They follow the same route, with the same talking points, time and again. And almost every time, they are part of a thread that's initiated by yet another report of a mass shooting. In the accompanying 'Sympathy thread' in EE, the same posters' names will show up... offering 'thoughts & prayers.'

It happens here in our little community, and it happens outside here, writ large: Words, words, words... and virtually no actions (be they right or wrong) to make a change. And THAT is precisely why I share my tired, cynical, world-weary stanza at each and every one of these (unfortunately) recurring threads:

"Bang, bang.
Splish, splash.
Thoughts/prayers.
Rinse/repeat."

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This country will never take a serious look at the direct relationship of a U.S. yearly death toll and its 1.001/1 guns/person raw numbers ratio.

Think about this stat/factoid for just a moment: this country now [officially] has more individual lethal weapons than it has individual people to kill with those weapons.

In what common-sense based world is a stat like this considered acceptable?

..............

And so I gave up, some 20+ years ago.
I stopped being pro-gun control, and became what I call a 'pragmatic activist.' Instead of taking some extreme R or extreme L position, I take an honest look at the circumstances we've created for ourselves- and speak as a ProGunAmerica spokesperson, based upon this POV:

10's of thousands of annual gun-related deaths are the price we have honestly and legislatively chosen to accept as a society, for the (virtually unchecked/unregulated) right of our citizens to own instruments of death.

We've set legal precedent to support this.
We've actively thwarted and stalled legal precedent that would seek to alter this.
We've debated it in the public forum of American Ideals.

...And we've decided that ±33,000 deaths per year is acceptable collateral damage. That number (for 2017) was up from the 2016 number, and it's reasonable to assume that 2018's number, if higher yet again, will also be deemed acceptable.

By all of us.
Because we do nothing to alter/adjust it.


The only 2 things we're really good at are:
1. Talking about a problem in a way that only makes it look like we actually care.
2. Offering hollow, shallow 'thoughts and prayers' to families whose innocent members have become the victims of 'high-velocity lead poisoning'

(My first private cello instructor informed me: "Practice doesn't make perfect. Practice makes permanent. You get good at those things you practice the most." He was so right-)

I mean- damn, DC. It's already been more than a half-decade since we all experienced this:



If Sandy Hook wasn't enough to spark legislation and change, nothing would ever be: little 6 and 7 year-old kids, reduced to 'small, soft meat targets' and 'clouds of pink mist.'

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I'm done with this talk.
Hardware boys love hardware. It's what they love, it's what they talk, it's what they hear. I've no voice in this, because I have no skin in this.

Kids are dying in schools- not me.
And kids are the ones speaking up- and working on our current laws- not me.

I'm not a playa in this game. Those who are will continue to see each other... in district/circuit courts. In 'dueling op-eds/blogs. In Supreme Court decisions.

It's really, really cool to be a Left-leaning American citizen who isn't anti-gun. Nobody on the Right seems to know what to do with someone like me.

That little fact is one helluvalotta fun.
And watching this from a dispassionate vantage point is frankly- kinda liberating, for a change.