DawgTalkers.net Forums The Archives 2018 NFL Season 2018 NFL Draft Browns select Denzel Ward with the fourth overall pick

It's hard to call it "another CB" when we didn't have a legit CB to begin with.

If u dont like me going after another CB in that regard ... im pretty sure your not going to like my Ward/insert players name Combo very much either ... ...

FYI .. its my opinion ... NO MATTER HOW STUPID U THINK IT IS ... ITS MINE ... ....

We brought in three proven veteran FAs'...for what?

Nickel and dime packages which are used frequently in todays game.

The Eagles were 15th in sacks and 3rd in passes defended.. so they were defending on the back end every bit as much as they were rushing on the front end.

I'm not sure why this has to be a one or the other thing.. if you want to be really good, you need both. We've invested a LOT in the DL over the last few years and very little in the secondary (*cough**cough* Gilbert)... Ogbah just finished his second year, Garret just finished his first.. neither is anywhere close to a finished product so I get not feeling the need to make another huge investment in the position.. when we clearly have other areas to address.

(and I say that, knowing full well that I was on-board with drafting Chubb at 4.. I wouldn't have been upset if we did... but I do understand why we didn't if they graded out similarly)

Not crazy. We could have drafted Chubb. There are still a few good CBs left. Josh Jackson, Oliver,Donte Jackson.

Their left because they aren't as good as Ward ...

And you know Chubb is going to be a better pick than Ward how exactly? Because all the talking heads had him mocked higher?

As others have stated, we could have taken Chubb and the 3rd or 4th best corner...

Instead we took the best corner and can still get the 3rd or 4th best pass rusher...

I'm confused what the big deal is.

I'm in the same boat. I would of preferred Chubb, but I can see the reasoning behind the pick. He's a great cover corner, was rated in the top 10 by most, and fills a huge need for us. People can stop acting like we drafted a 2nd round talent for a position that we were flush with talent.

So IMO ....

Ward/Oliver or Jackson(i prefer Oliver) make a better combo than Chubb/Jackson IMO ...

Ward/Landry makes a better combo than Chubb/Jackson IMO ...

Ward/Hurst makes a better combo than Chubb/Jackson IMO ...

And here’s why IMO ...

We needed a STUD CORNER ... our secondary couldn’t cover JACK SQUAT last year ... and IMO we needed a STUD CB ... we more than likely need another good starting CB ... we also may need a FS ...

we got one ... thats the best way to IMPROVE the secondary IMO ... there’s one stud shut down corner in this draft ... we got him ... no other combo nets us him ... dudes a real good football player ....

Then i want to continue to shore up the secondary ... thats where i’d go ...

But NOW that we have the STUD CORNER ... I feel a lot better about the pass rusher or the interior DLman ...

No mater how stupid u guys think it is ... its my opinion ... and i told u before ... if we take Chubb we’ll be getting a hell of a football player and i know theres more than one way to build a dominant D and its not going to all get done in one year ...

I like my way ... it’s LOGICAL to me ... u like your way ... i disagree but respect it ...

And u know Ward was not the guy i wanted .... he wasn’t my first choice thats for damm sure ...

Lets hope it works out bro ...

I know.. people are acting like this was one of those "Who?" type of picks we made at 4.. or that we couldn't actually use somebody to develop into a legit shutdown corner.. those are easy evidently, you can get those in the 3rd round.

I think the NFL is moving away from shutdown corners to hair on fire pass rushers A lot of experts say there is no such thing as a shutdown corner anymore. I can't name the experts that said this so please don't ask me to. But I have heard this.

Honestly, I think Chubb/Josh Jackson would be a better combo than Ward/Landry ... but not by much. Not enough to lose my mind over anyway.

But i do sort of agree, I would of rather taken Chubb as there are a lot more decent CBs available that should of been there in the 2nd. Having Chubb with Josh Jackson or Isiah Oliver falling was a more likely scenario than taking Ward and having Landry fortuitously fall. Landry also has medical issues, so there's that too.

I agree ... People are acting like we're picking up the "Offensive Guard" of the Defense.

Josh Jackson is not even close the athlete that Ward is and if he was he would already be off the board.

I agree with Diam's take because of the simple fact that the DL already has that STUD impact guy, and potentially already has a couple of them. While it would have been great to add a guy like Chubb to that, it would have been a luxury pick. Instead, we put a STUD where we had none and in a place that just so happened to be the weakest unit on the team, instantly making it worlds better as all the guys we just brought in got pushed down the ladder one rung.

While Chubb was the sexier pick and the easier one to sell, Ward makes us a better team sooner.

A lot of experts also said the RB was becoming a throw-away position to be had in the middle rounds.. and we just saw 3 of them in the first round, one of them #2 overall...

Because the entire backfield was putrid. Gaines missed the entire 2016 season with an injury. He missed five games last year. He signed a one year contract for 5 million dollars. The contract cost, length of contract and injury history should tell you all you need to know here.

I'd have no issue drafting the best corner left on the board tonight.

Nor would I. I think a lot of people just say, "Oh, we signed FA's to fix it." But when you actually look at the contracts you can see that some signing were to upgrade depth more than anything. A good GM upgrades the entire 53 man roster where ever he can. Not just the top of that roster.

Nah...not in today's NFL. Shoot, once we fire Lord Dorsey and Jester Hue this year we'll be exactly back in the same position we're in now as soon as next year!

QFT - and this is the big point I think people keep missing with this pick.

I like Denzel Ward. He's a good player. He was most likely the best CB in this draft even.

BUT - in today's NFL, I don't care how good of a CB you are - even a HOF CB - isn't going to "stop" or "shut down" the elite WR. The rules just don't allow it anymore.

So how do you stop elite passing attacks? Pass rush is the ONLY answer. You have to get to the QB. Force sacks. Force fumbles. Put them in long down and distance to eliminate half the playbook. Force the QB into check downs or inaccurate throws. That's it. Because no secondary is going to shut down an NFL passing attack by "covering".

THAT is why this was an idiotic pick.

But I expect nothing less from Lord Dorsey. I mean he picked Baker freaking Mayfield.

Do some of you even watch the NFL?

Hey, what did I do to get fired?

Also counting on having Garrett and Ogbah to play a whole season together is iffy logic at best.

I have no doubt that we will screw the rest of our draft too.

Depends. They standing for our national anthem this year or do they still hate their country?

LOL. Well played sir.

Did they hurt your poor little sensibilities?

Hah, no. They have freedom of speech to do whatever they want (even though the league has every right to force them to comply to rules just like any other employer), but then those decisions come with consequences from my freedom of choice to watch or not.

I spend my life serving and protecting this country so I refuse to economically support those scumbags. I found my fall significantly more enjoyable not being forced to endure this wretched franchise.

But anyway, back to Lord Dorsey's fantastic draft....

Here's my problem. The vast majority of players don't do that. But people sure do scream loudly about the minority of them that do.

I see so many on here that believe they know so much more than Dorsey. What NFL FO hired you guys as GM?

So you didn't even watch a single game yet you speak with such conviction as to what this team does or does not need. Honestly, that level of confidence when admittedly speaking from a position of pure ignorance is utterly impressive.

so what, someone who doesn't watch the nfl, is on a an nfl teams fan page, complaining about the draft. . . . . .

To be fair, not defending anyone here, you could know a lot about the draft having watched a lot of college games - this is the draft.

Pointless pointing fingers at ourselves gents / ladies.

Let's see how this all plays out.

Peace to all.

I like Denzel Ward ... but I am not sure we should have taken him over Nick Chubb. The thought of Chubb and Garrett rushing the QB together made me really excited. I thought for sure he was going to be the guy. I am not mad about Ward though. In fact, he might be my first new Browns jersey purchase in years given that he's an ex-Buckeye.

I'm not mad, and am willing (obviously) to see how this plays out. Having just signed Carrie and Gaines, there should not be a huge need for him to start from day one. I know a lot of people might disagree with that, but he can be eased into the NFL life given our sudden depth at CB.

Ward should end up being a top tier players for us for the next 5-8 years so I think they picked a good player. We definately needed a CB more than a DE so I can see how need overruled BPA on picks 1 and 4.

I didn't have to watch it to know. We're awful. We need everything. I also don't need to watch to understand in today's NFL that pass rush trumps coverage. Not to mention I watched PLENTY of college football last year - so I've seen these players being drafted, and even though I didn't watch the games I signed on here enough to read the sentiments to get my weekly laugh at the Clowns expense. So, my young friend, I'd say claiming my position comes from "pure ignorance" is a little off base. Especially considering I've been watching this team and football for 30+ years. But hey, if it makes you feel better about Lord Dorsey's draft so far and Johnny Weeden at #1 - have at it.

Bla Bla Bla go talk to someone who wants to hear your dribble ...

Drivel. Not dribble. Drivel.