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Original thread already at page 9. I wanted to share a lot of thoughts regarding pick of our Franchise (since 1999). I didn't wish to read any posts as I'm sure there are emotional posts positive and negative. I'm afraid I will take the negative posts personal as Mayfield has been my guy openly or behind closed doors since October of 2017.

I reference that date as it was the first day that I struck up a conversation regarding Mayfield being the guy to bring this team finally to a Championship caliber of team.

Its funny cause I revisited those Private Messages with Diam and I swore at the time that because of NFL snobbery I was sure that he would be available to us at pick #33. So much has happened since then and I think once he won the Heisman and just continued to get better as a player that just was not the case. But that was the only thing that was incorrect regarding my Assessment of the kid.

This is the most important pick to date to help this Franchise become a dynasty in this league to compete for Championships year after year.

Let us cover a few things.

1. Manziel. Yes, he is short (taller than Manziel) both have a great arm, both won the Heisman trophy. That is pretty much where the similarities end.

Manziel had 20 plays in his play book for the entire college career at Texas A&M. BM had a rather large playbook at OU.

Manziel was smart but never applied it to his football game. Mayfield upon arriving at OU he Learned the entire play book in 3 days.

Love for the game. No comparison, Manziel showed that Football was not his first priority after being selected by the Browns entering into the NFL. Mayfield loves the game of football he loves talking about the game. HE SLEEPS, EATS and BREATHES Football 24/7. Manziel was one of the most entitled players of football, he did not have to EARN anything it was there for him, in life and in football. Mayfield as we all know was a walk on and without scholarship had to work harder than anyone on the team to EARN a spot on the team, to EARN the starting position on a pretty good team. At the QB position and we know it wasn't cause he was 6'5" 240. If you look at the quality of team. His lack of physical specifics there is a measure of greatness that permeates from him to achieve what he has achieved. Think about it.

2. System. Like our FO and our Coaching staff. They did not judge BM from the system he played. They looked at his film and judged him on his play and his technique in being able to play in any system devised by NFL OC's. One of the beauty's about him. He can succeed in any system.

3. Height.
He gets back from his snapped venue on the field faster and deeper than any QB of this draft. Do you know that dropping back 1 yard further then lets say the average QB from shotgun or from under center in his 3-5-7 step drops makes him around 6'8" in height as a QB in seeing the field.
Do you know that he has the least amount of blocked balls or % of blocked balls of all the QBs in this draft?
Last but not least. He doesn't know or care what his height is. He has been playing that position at a less then average height all his life. Its not a handicap cause its not like he was once 6'5" had an accident where they removed discs from his spine and now is 4 inches shorter and has to adjust to it.

Arm Strength: He can make any throw and not just with average strength he is up there with the best. Velocity of football is what is needed to be pending on each and every throw and the variables surrounding it. He can drill a ball in there or he can throw a pass with touch. There is no game, play that he cannot succeed and there is no major changes in a play book for eliminating plays that he just cannot handle.

Hand Size: just to let you know been watching OU football as I loved their RBs and I believe I've noted that Greg Pruitt was a favorite of mine that I wished and wished that we would end up with him in the draft. It gets pretty cold and windy in OU come winter time. He is no California pretty boy. The Browns measured his hands size more than once cause for some reason it differed form the Combine measurements. Turns out his hands size is just a touch under 10". Also I see his hand placement on the football is very advantageous to get the ultimate spin and velocity in the Cold and wind from Lake Erie.

Mobility: He is not the fastest QB (in shorts) but he might be one of the quickest. He has incredible feet and is able to move them with agility within the pocket or outside the pocket and he gets his feet in proper position to make the most "ACCURATE" throws when he is on the move. Note we are not talking Highlight stuff where they Cherry Pick successful plays. He does what he does with consistency in his game. If teams will play man and ignore his ability to gain yards with his legs. He will make teams pay. He is smart and although mentality one of the toughest guys around he will learn how to slide and not try to bowl defenders over as that is his mentality. But he will also know where that First down or Goal Line is and will uncannily be able to reach that goal by his effort, quickness and explosion/change of speed.

Accuracy:
What I love most and note, I don't love him cause he's my guy. He became "MY GUY" not by biased process. Like his GAME, he earned it. He is one of the most accurate passers I have seen and we aren't talking WCO dink and dunk accurate.

One thing I hated with our previous QBs is that I would see our QB get plenty of time to throw and see them step up into the pocket and make a throw of maybe 20+ yards. I'm mentally going yes! yes! only to see an open WR and the pass no where near where it is needed to become a completion. Well that is something we will not have to worry about any longer.

Not only will he hit that open WR but he will place in area that the WR will be able to get the most YAC out of the catch. He also will throw a very catchable throw. And he can throw that fastball when needed not as a way of life!

In 1,157 throws including post season he had only 14 INTS. He knows how to be safe with the throws. Many I have seen where he just makes an accurate throw where ONLY his WR can make the catch. Again not HIGHLIGHT film stuff but consistently. Excellent feet "CONSISTENLY" putting them in the correct position to make the accurate throw.

Release: on of the quickest releases out there.

Leadership: I know Hue was impressed as he viewed certain things that he never saw before. Little things. Like when coming into the workout room with a greet and meet....he would make a high yee haw sound and the entire workout room would answer him back with a YEE HAW! as well. Not rehearsed just BM led and they followed. Maybe he was similar with Manziel in the fact that he was able to infectiously get the defense to play better. But I see it with a lot more passion and personal concern and touch then Manziel ever did. But I know rah rah stuff is not known in the NFL but it does exist. This is still a game and the men will be boys in their emotion and love in playing the game. He makes them all believers in the success of a win. He has them all play at a level they never played before. He is the definition of a leader.

Off field problems. Not really, ok the kid on his 21st birthday after celebrating like most 21 year olds would. In a part of the year that just didn't coincide with any football priorities. Got caught by Campus police (State Universities are usually policed by their STATE POLICE and not security guards) he got caught with public intoxication...and like someone will do regarding a decision process when drunk...HE RAN and in this day and age a seemingly harmless situation was caught on video phone and all over the nation. This IS NOT A PROBLEM...he is not a DRUNK... yes, he has good old country boy in him where he will sit with his friends/team mates and have some beers but he is not a Fall down Drunk like you know who!

The grabbing of his junk...hey I watched his games. I saw things happen and escalate to a degree that I've never seen against a player. Pre-game captains out there for the coin toss and the opponent captains all put there arms behind their backs when it came time to shake hands and play the game, all the while leaving BM with outstretched hand.

During the game I would see BM take incredible hits with the only purpose but to injure him and get him out of the game. Most hits were given a flag as they were seen as a cheap shot. BM would not act irrational and have emotions take over. He would get up not even complain to the refs, slowly pull himself together and in a lot of moments I'm amazed to see him actually continuing to play the game. He would rally the team for a TD, rally the defense to take over. Rally the team for another TD putting the nail in the coffin and at that point as he's going off the field he turns to the opponents and yells (probably an obscenity) and grabs his junk! No I don't condone this act but I condone this type of fire and FIGHT. They brought it to him and he answered! The junk stuff will get solved with maturity...but I hope that "FIRE" never subsides within him!

Fellow Brown fans. I'm not asking you to take my word for it. But I do have a good eye for QBs. I do know the technical attributes and can understand somethings in the game. But what is important to me regarding Mayfield that is not about me is this.

We have the best Analytical demographics for our FO and coaching staffs to utilize as a tool in the process.

We have Dorsey who has a history and experience as a talent evaluator along with Hue, Haley, and several specialists on QBs.

The final decision where ALL agreed happened on Monday that is when the decision was made. Here is a fact that I love. If this kid was 6'3" he would be analyzed as the best QB to come along in decades. So he's just a tad under 6'1"

Man o man do we got a QB fellow Browns fans. For those with some preconceived negatives on this kid. All I ask is give this a chance to develop. This is no, Quinn, Weeden, Manziel, Kizer talent. A talent actually never seen before. Mentally and football physically not seen before maybe the closest for me is Doug Flutie but 4 inches taller.

I haven't been this happy for the Browns in obtaining a QB since we got Kosar in the supplement draft!

Don't blink cause then you will miss one of the most amazing Football organization's Transformation to a Championship Caliber team!

Believe in the process, also don't forget that I have been dreaming of this day since oh heck October of 2017!

I can't believe we got the best QB to come along.

Refs, if you wish to put this at the end of the other thread in its last posts before being locked. Whatever. Nothing can dampen my happiness FOR ALL OF US WHETHER YOU ALL KNOW IT OR NOT! This is a Great DAY!


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It's not unusual for air raid offenses to be installed in under 3 days. I believe Holgorsen bragged about installing WVU's offense in 2 said. Mike Leach has made similar statements. fwiw.

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Glad you are happy.

I hope he plays well.

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I’m just glad we didn’t reach for Allen.

Mayfield will be fine. He gets to sit behind tyrod and learn the offense from a real OC like Haley and Hue.

And he’s going into a browns team with actual weapons on offense. It’s certainly a better situation that where some of these other QBs went, like Allen.


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Congrats tabber!! You were in on this guy from the beginning.......be right for all our sakes!!!! lol


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I’ll never forget a few months ago standing with McVay as he passionately told Baker if he didn’t have his “ride or die” in Goff, he would’ve done whatever it took to convince Rams to get him. It didn’t feel like hyperbole. That was first inclination Baker would climb very high.


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I’ll never forget a few months ago standing with McVay as he passionately told Baker if he didn’t have his “ride or die” in Goff, he would’ve done whatever it took to convince Rams to get him. It didn’t feel like hyperbole. That was first inclination Baker would climb very high.


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Watching Haley and Hue develop an offense for Tyrod and Mayfield will be interesting. Haley doesn't utelize a lot of play actions, but this team offensively looks a lot like the Bengals did when Hue was their OC.

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I hope you're right tabber!!


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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I’ll never forget a few months ago standing with McVay as he passionately told Baker if he didn’t have his “ride or die” in Goff, he would’ve done whatever it took to convince Rams to get him. It didn’t feel like hyperbole. That was first inclination Baker would climb very high.


https://twitter.com/JeffDarlington/status/989838103413182464


Watching Haley and Hue develop an offense for Tyrod and Mayfield will be interesting. Haley doesn't utelize a lot of play actions, but this team offensively looks a lot like the Bengals did when Hue was their OC.


Haley does use a ton of RPOs though, which is something Mayfield is very familiar with. Haley should be in Norman a good amount of time this off-season learning from Lincoln Riley.

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I would expect that Haley will put together an NFL offense that Tyrod can run, and we'll allow Mayfield to grow into it. I sincerely doubt we'd be so silly as to immediately tailor our new offense to the guy that we're trying to groom and hoping doesn't see the field. That just makes no sense, at all.


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not installed...but LEARN the PLAYBOOK. I know for some there won't be anything said that will change their view...lol

I just will have a lot more fun rooting for the kid than some who think otherwise.


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Originally Posted By: PrplPplEater
I would expect that Haley will put together an NFL offense that Tyrod can run, and we'll allow Mayfield to grow into it. I sincerely doubt we'd be so silly as to immediately tailor our new offense to the guy that we're trying to groom and hoping doesn't see the field. That just makes no sense, at all.


Tyrod Taylor can probably run more of the Oklahoma offense in the NFL than Baker Mayfield can.

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I was listening to CBD today, and they started the show saying Mayfield was walking past them, with Ken at his side. Not even 24 hours after being drafted, the kid is in the building, lock step with his QB coach.

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Bone..know how much you were mentally invested with Darnold. But this ain't no Wentz situation. You'll probably be one of the quickest to fall in love with him.
I know you will like him.

BigWillie, CONGRATS to each and every BROWNS fan...we got our guy! wink you will all end up enjoying this pick sometime or another. I studied the kid and fell in love with his play and his attitude is the best thing about him.

Purple that is one of the virtues of Mayfield. He's not a one trick pony. We don't have to devise some special playbook just for him. Haley will have his playbook that Mayfield will be able to execute. Possibly the only thing I see and its probably going to be more important for TT and we can continue with Mayfield is to mobilize the pocket more. Move it around especially since we could miss Joe Thomas on that left side we slide the pocket to the right. With it can come the RPO's which I'm telling you this is a copycat league and the success of the Eagles last year will have all scrambling for the RPO and Mayfield is amazing. I don't see him starting right away but I think if TT is just .500 or less with us at some point we will see the transition to our Franchise QB.

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Originally Posted By: willitevachange
I was listening to CBD today, and they started the show saying Mayfield was walking past them, with Ken at his side. Not even 24 hours after being drafted, the kid is in the building, lock step with his QB coach.


That's literally every player that is drafted in the first round.

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I'm excited about the guy. I think he'll do fine.

For anyone who simply sees 6 feet tall and reads some character headlines watch some film and read up on his background.

My guy was Rosen FWIW. But, I've always said, it'd be stupid to ever doubt Baker Mayfield. Cause he lives off it. He's got plenty of ability, he's mentally strong, tons of experience, and a fire in him like no other.


I have no doubt that Baker is trying to get his hands on Haley's playbook and trying to figure out what it will take to get him ready. He doesn't seem like a guy who rests. We won't have to worry about his work ethic, cause he probably is already planning on being our starter, and he'll be working to get there ASAP. Probably just like he did at Texas Tech and Oklahoma.

Just the way he is


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I'm most certainly rooting for the kid. I think if he can keep his emotions in check we'll be fine.


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What a great positive post! I have not watched Mayfield as much as you but I have grown fond of his story thoughout the draft process. Too many times we hear all the bad stuff and we never hear the good. That 360 episode with Dan Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks had a really cool interview with Jim Ross about how, after Ross' wife died, Mayfield would give him a hug before every game and tell Ross "Jim, I love you and I got your back." (paraphrasing). He never had to do that. He got absolutely nothing from doing that. There are dozens of stories about Mayfield like that if you look around.

I believe in the kid and think he will really help us.

Plus I like that he's a senior who's played 4 years and has a ton of wins under his belt. I think that is underrated when it comes to top QB's.

I'm rooting for him as I am rooting for all our picks to bring success to this team.

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Originally Posted By: cfrs15
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I was listening to CBD today, and they started the show saying Mayfield was walking past them, with Ken at his side. Not even 24 hours after being drafted, the kid is in the building, lock step with his QB coach.


That's literally every player that is drafted in the first round.
tell that johnny.

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I have two issues with Mayfield.
One size- only because I fear for his health. Can someone that size take the pounding that he probably will absorb.
Two- The public drunkenness. I am fine with the crotch grab and the flag in the Horsehoe.

I never doubted his talent or guts.

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This is what I NEED. Throw me MORE.

ANYONE? Comfort us who are disappointed.

I need a Counselor.

Keep convincing me. I NEED it REALLY BAD.

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I am fine with the crotch grab and the flag in the Horsehoe.


And beaning an opposing player in the head with the football? I'm sure the NFL would disagree with you on all counts.

Let's just hope such issues are behind him moving forward.


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I was listening to CBD today, and they started the show saying Mayfield was walking past them, with Ken at his side. Not even 24 hours after being drafted, the kid is in the building, lock step with his QB coach.


That's literally every player that is drafted in the first round.
tell that johnny.


When do you think this picture was taken?


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Great post, EO.

Welcome Baker - make it happen...

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That picture is utterly depressing. saywhat

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I was listening to CBD today, and they started the show saying Mayfield was walking past them, with Ken at his side. Not even 24 hours after being drafted, the kid is in the building, lock step with his QB coach.


That's literally every player that is drafted in the first round.
tell that johnny.


When do you think this picture was taken?



This one was taken last night...


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I was listening to CBD today, and they started the show saying Mayfield was walking past them, with Ken at his side. Not even 24 hours after being drafted, the kid is in the building, lock step with his QB coach.


That's literally every player that is drafted in the first round.
tell that johnny.


When do you think this picture was taken?

what you fail to realize, is that he was with the QB coach, already working. You can try to play smarty pants all you want, the only thing your showing is your pure hate. I would sugest maybe looking to another team to root for.

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If I had to take a guess, I'd say Mayfield is going to struggle in this league, but this is the first QB we've taken in the first since Couch where I don't feel completely hopeless or that failure is a foregone conclusion.

With Quinn, Weeden and Manziel I was really despondent because it was clear all three would flame out.

Can't say I'm thrilled with the first two picks, but I always give new regimes a chance.

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What I have heard and read about Mayfield is he has the skills and talent to become a great NFL QB. The problem is his immaturity. The off the field issues and childish on field antics. Sounds a lot like what they were saying about Manziel.

The Browns took a risk in picking him 1st overall, lets hope it pays off.

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Originally Posted By: Dawg Citizen
What I have heard and read about Mayfield is he has the skills and talent to become a great NFL QB. The problem is his immaturity. The off the field issues and childish on field antics. Sounds a lot like what they were saying about Manziel.

The Browns took a risk in picking him 1st overall, lets hope it pays off.
To be fair, a lot of gusy said manziel would NOT be successful even without the antics. We just didn't listen. Hindsight, more said he didn't have NFL game than not.

Baker - no one is saying he doesn't have the game.

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Originally Posted By: willitevachange
what you fail to realize, is that he was with the QB coach, already working. You can try to play smarty pants all you want, the only thing your showing is your pure hate. I would sugest maybe looking to another team to root for.


My pure hate? Maybe you should go back and read through the threads from last night.

You are trying to give Baker Mayfield too much credit. He is only doing things that everyone does.

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Originally Posted By: Dawg Citizen
What I have heard and read about Mayfield is he has the skills and talent to become a great NFL QB. The problem is his immaturity. The off the field issues and childish on field antics. Sounds a lot like what they were saying about Manziel.

The Browns took a risk in picking him 1st overall, lets hope it pays off.


There was basically only one off the field issue. Manziel, if anyone with a brain would have looked into it, was horrible off the field. The team literally could have just talked to his dad.

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Guess i am a Eotab fan. Better be right! Doesn't feel good yet,But make me cheer.

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Originally Posted By: Dawg Citizen
What I have heard and read about Mayfield is he has the skills and talent to become a great NFL QB. The problem is his immaturity. The off the field issues and childish on field antics. Sounds a lot like what they were saying about Manziel.

The Browns took a risk in picking him 1st overall, lets hope it pays off.
To be fair, a lot of gusy said manziel would NOT be successful even without the antics. We just didn't listen. Hindsight, more said he didn't have NFL game than not.

Baker - no one is saying he doesn't have the game.


I remember them saying Manziel was a dynamic playmaker. They were concerned about his behavior and work ethic. Plus the fact he thought he knew more than the coaches. That is why most didn't think he would last long in the NFL.

He had great potential, just wasn't mature enough.

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What I have heard and read about Mayfield is he has the skills and talent to become a great NFL QB. The problem is his immaturity. The off the field issues and childish on field antics. Sounds a lot like what they were saying about Manziel.

The Browns took a risk in picking him 1st overall, lets hope it pays off.


There was basically only one off the field issue. Manziel, if anyone with a brain would have looked into it, was horrible off the field. The team literally could have just talked to his dad.


I just feel like this is history repeating it's self.

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I was listening to CBD today, and they started the show saying Mayfield was walking past them, with Ken at his side. Not even 24 hours after being drafted, the kid is in the building, lock step with his QB coach.


That's literally every player that is drafted in the first round.
tell that johnny.


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Many of us lost our lunch when Manziel and Weeden were selected. I have reservations about Mayfield. I hoped the saga would end. There are numerous red flags that cannot be hidden.

Rather than being optimistic, I now have to take a wait and see attitude. My opinion will have to be changed by demonstration.

I hope they got it right. Otherwise we will be looking for the next GM.


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What I have heard and read about Mayfield is he has the skills and talent to become a great NFL QB. The problem is his immaturity. The off the field issues and childish on field antics. Sounds a lot like what they were saying about Manziel.

The Browns took a risk in picking him 1st overall, lets hope it pays off.
To be fair, a lot of gusy said manziel would NOT be successful even without the antics. We just didn't listen. Hindsight, more said he didn't have NFL game than not.

Baker - no one is saying he doesn't have the game.


I remember them saying Manziel was a dynamic playmaker. They were concerned about his behavior and work ethic. Plus the fact he thought he knew more than the coaches. That is why most didn't think he would last long in the NFL.

He had great potential, just wasn't mature enough.
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I remember Hodge saying draft night he was the most certain bust he ever seen, and worse.

I agree they said he had potential, but feared his game wouldn't translate into the nfl, which it doesn't. Baker plays a different game.

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And beaning an opposing player in the head with the football? I'm sure the NFL would disagree with you on all counts.

Let's just hope such issues are behind him moving forward.


The flag thing and crotch grab I can certainly get over. There's no excuse for beaning that TCU Player. That's something that's gotta be made clear, there's none of that, that's in the past.

I always found that lame.


Although, it is a good demonstration of his pin point ball placement


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Main problems with Mayfield:

Can he play under center? You say he drops back quickly, and it helps him with his height, but it also helps when you pretty much never take a snap under center. Maybe we just play every snap out of the shotgun?

Can he make throws in tight windows? Sorry, but I didn't see it in his tape. He is pretty accurate, and good at finding the open man, but I didn't see enough tight window throws.

And finally, maturity. His on-field antics are going to get pretty old if he doesn't win right away, and it won't go over well in the locker room either. Not sure how Dorsey can characterize him as humble...I'd like 1 example of him being humble, because I can give quite a few of him being cocky. Better hope he starts winning right away, or I see trouble.

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