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It doesn't state that in the CBA. And it's not about whether we're a "free" country or not, but if the NFL owners broke the CBA by colluding to deny jobs to certain people. It's not a law they broke, but their own contract, possibly.

Not that I know of.

I could see the NFL using the "conduct detrimental to the league" clause in the contract. Although it hasn't been an avenue they've traveled.

No, the CBA does not abide by the rule book. The rule book simply lists the rules by which a game will be conducted and is completely separate from the CBA. The two have nothing to do with each other, at all.
In that regard, what CHS stated is absolutely factual to the extent it is not stated in the CBA.

As for the owners violating the CBA, that part I would not speak on unless he chooses to cite specific sections of the CBA he feels their actions violate.


In the end, the players are at work and representing the companies they are employed by - and I see no issue with disciplinary action for employees, or prospective employees, who demonstrate a continued insistence upon not towing the company line. That's life in the adult working world.

I agree with this. I believe we as citizens have the right to protest, but we do so knowing the risks and consequences. I think that's partially what helps raise awareness, from what's at stake.

But I don't agree that players should be kicked out of the league, or blackballed by the league for kneeling. Yes, they're protesting, but I don't believe it's the same as a worker who skips out on the job to protest. In the player's case, they are not missing any work. They're still performing at their expected level.

They're standing inside the building where they work - in their office, if you will - and protesting in there and on company time. Yes, they protest for only a set duration and then they finish their work day, and I'm sure they even do their work to the best of their ability, but they are absolutely putting themselves into the category of employee/prospective employee that doesn't want to do what they employer feels a good employee should do during work hours.

It's pretty clear cut.

Please stop acting like you speak for me.

Your own post said "should stand", not that they have to. It said they "must be on the sideline" but only that they "should stand".

Thank you for saving me 10 minutes.

Please show me where I said the players do not have to abide by the rules.


You attempted to state that the CBA - the Collective Bargaining Agreement that manages and spells out the player-team labor agreement - must abide by the NFL Rule book. In no way, shape, or form is that true. The CBA is completely independent of the rule book; they have nothing to do with each other. It does not care, at all, about what is in that rule book.




Yes, I have read the CBA in its entirety several times in the past. I do have to admit that I did not bother with this last negotiation, however, mostly because the league moved it and made it harder for the average person to find a legitimate copy (at the time of its signing).

How about you cite the pertinent section in the labor agreement for me rather than just throwing out statements that you yourself have not validated.

Here's a copy that I found and believe to be current:
https://www.dol.gov/olms/regs/compliance/cba/private/7991_2-1-20.pdf

You started the word games.



Also, that's #fakenews the NFL Rule book doesn't say that. Nor is the rulebook 63 pages long. The excerpt comes from the Game Manual (a 600 page document). Here's an article talking about it.
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/for-petes-sake/article175221581.html

The article has the VP of Communications for the NFL saying that the excerpt is not mandatory, which is obvious given the language of the bylaw. Should and May are not words that bind requirement, unless you're dealing with a wife or mother.

As for Eric and Kaep's legal case, it says in the CBA:

"No Club, its employees or agents shall enter into any agreement, express or implied, with the NFL or any other Club, its employees or agents to restrict or limit individual Club decision-making"

Which is an extremely common thing to have in any bargaining agreement, regardless of profession.

Here's an article about it:

https://www.sbnation.com/2018/5/3/17311830/eric-reid-nfl-collusion-case-explained

Tab, it's pretty simple, standing for the anthem is not mandatory in the NFL.

Sometimes words matter and it's not a game.

Unless you're a philosopher and realize our world is entirely composed of language games.

Not in this case.

Someone doesn't know the words to the song, lol.

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore,
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion
A home and a Country should leave us no more?
Their blood has wash’d out their foul footstep’s pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

In every case.

Veterans defend Colin Kaepernick
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/veterans-colin-kaepernick-2016-9