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Jets traded because they knew we were taking Mayfield. Darnold wouldn't never be there at 6, Mayfield would.

The NFL isn't the NCAA. Ignoring bad behavior isn't going to happen in the pros. By my count he started three years and there were five incidents that gained enough media coverage that we know about.

Now I'm not saying it will be a problem moving forward. But pretending it hasn't been an issue to this point is not having a firm grasp of the obvious.

Because Mayfield @ #1 is too much.

If we had drafted Saquan and take Mayfield @4 because Darnold was not there, I would understand.

I understand not drafting Rosen because Haslam would never have a liberal QB.

You were the one saying there were plenty rookie QB's saying that... I just don't recall any because this is something stupid to say.

You see most of the rookies say they want to be signed early and start camp because play books are big, and it takes time to even understand the basics of the Offense.

Now comes a kid and says its easy... and you say its a normal thing to do, which it isn't.

I honestly don't remember ever a rookie QB saying that, but you can post some links or name examples if you do...

It's coming out now that the Giants and Jets both liked Mayfield, and that other clubs had him #1.

And I don't think Haslam would care about Rosen being liberal because Dorsey is the one who made the pick

It hasn't been an issue for his University though has it? They won games, he missed all of two plays. So non football issue.

Yeah, the NFL and the NCAA are the same thing. The NFL wouldn't suspend a player for smacking an opposing player up side the head with the football. The NFL wouldn't suspend anyone for grabbing their crotch, flipping off the opposing team while cursing them in some temper tantrum. Yeah, they're the exact same thing! no problem! lmao

I think the Jets made the trade with the intention of TAKING Mayfield. I think they thought Darnold/Rosen would go 1-2 and they'd get Mayfield at 3

How in the world would they know that??? The majority of our own front office didn't know Mayfield was the pick until the day before the draft.

Actually according to Dorsey the decision was made Monday, 3 days before the draft.

But point well taken, just a ridiculous statement by a poster...smh Actually according to the NY media they are stating Mayfield was #1 on the FO board. The feeling is that they need to win NOW as ownership will not be patient another year. I got a feeling Darnold is going to get put out there before his time.

Browns personnel exec had Darnold rated No. 1; explains change to Mayfield

A right-hand man to Browns general manager John Dorsey gives an insightful look at the Browns draft to the Hall of Fame Luncheon Club. Alonzo Highsmith explains what changed his mind about Baker Mayfield.

CANTON TWP. Tough guy Alonzo Highsmith took a candid look at the Cleveland Browns draft he helped shape.

“We got some interesting players,” Highsmith (John Dorsey’s right-hand man) told the Hall of Fame Luncheon Club Monday. “You’ve heard enough talk. I could tell you the same story everyone else has told you since 1999.”

The Browns had a No. 1 overall pick for only the third time in the expansion era, spending it amid widespread debate on Oklahoma quarterback Baker Mayfield.

Someone in the crowd asked Highsmith to explain what the Browns saw in Mayfield that they didn’t see in Sam Darnold, the consensus pre-draft projection of who they would take.

Highsmith, who began his career in scouting alongside Dorsey in the late 1990s, told a little joke and then gave a serious answer.

“Here’s the honest to God’s truth,” he said. “From the start of his college football season to the end of the season, I had Darnold No. 1 and Baker No. 2, (Josh) Rosen No. 3, (Lamar) Jackson No. 4 and (Josh) Allen after that.

“On our way through everything, you couldn’t tell me Darnold wasn’t the best. I did all my evaluations of the season.

“Then comes the part where you meet them off the field. You watch their workouts. You watch everything. And Baker blew me away. Highly, highly intelligent. Highly competitive.

“And he had a trait that some of the good ones have. I call it efficacy. That includes the power to effect other people. I thought that of all the quarterbacks I watched, he stood out far and above the other guys. When he walked into a room, you knew he was there.”

Highsmith did lots of traveling to prepare for the draft.

“I was at an airport,” he said. “UCLA’s volleyball team was in front of me. You heard so much about Rosen. He’s this or that. We all know how people talk.

“So I asked one of the volleyball coaches, ‘What’s Rosen like?’ He said, ‘Aaaaa, you should probably ask his girlfriend. She’s one of the players. She’s over there.’

“I’m like, ‘All right coach. That’s good enough.’”

“I don’t know what all this means, but there was something about him that bothered me.”

USC’s Darnold went to the Jets at No. 3. Wyoming’s Josh Allen went to the Bills at No. 7. UCLA’s Rosen was picked by Arizona at No. 10. Louisville’s Jackson went to Baltimore at No. 32.

Dorsey supposedly was in love with Allen as a size-talent prospect along the lines of Ben Roethlisberger. Allen supporters said his supporting cast helped explain his poor completion percentage.

“Baker Mayfield lost two receivers and he was the same quarterback,” Highsmith said. “Josh Allen ... big arm ... he could throw the ball from here to the moon. When they have to make excuses ... why are they not completing passes? That’s a problem.”

Highsmith is in the Miami Hurricanes Hall of Fame as a fullback so revered he was the third pick of the 1987 draft.

A bum knee shortened his NFL career, but he turned to boxing and posted a 27-1-1 record in the heavyweight division. One of his 23 knockout victims was fellow NFLer-turned-fighter Mark Gastineau.

He mostly beat lesser fighters in places like the Ho-Chunk Casino in Baraboo, Wisc., but he took the sport seriously, got himself on undercards headlined by Oscar De La Hoya and George Foreman, and was pitted against the famous Gastineau on Nov. 3, 1996 in Tokyo. Gastineau’s reputation as a boxer was “fraud.” Highsmith made him look like one.

In 1998, a serious arm injury left Highsmith unable to use his bludgeon of a right jab. Two months after his last fight, prior to the 1999 draft that ushered the Cleveland Browns back into the NFL, a former football teammate told Highsmith that Ron Wolf needed a scout in Green Bay.

Wolf gave him a job. Highsmith went to work for the Packers’ director of college scouting, John Dorsey.

“John is one of my best friends,” Highsmith said. “I have a chip on my shoulder, and I know John has a chip on his shoulder.”

http://www.cantonrep.com/sports/20180430...nge-to-mayfield

Dorsey supposedly was in love with Allen as a size-talent prospect along the lines of Ben Roethlisberger. Allen supporters said his supporting cast helped explain his poor completion percentage.

Thats scary, we know Highsmith was a Darnold guy till they started meeting. But that above sounds like Dorsey was high on Allen, phew, dodged that bullet.

Guys not much mentioned or talked about by the football people is the off field problems of Mayfield. I don't think its a variable of concern. Just we thought we had someone and they turned into a DRUNK...or was one already. Thanks to the Homeless guy we took him. Well no such thing with Mayfield.

Reports both Jets n Giants had him on the board as #1.

Team only would trade up to #4 for one player only Mayfield?

I hope you all are a little more rest assured I know, don't take my word for it, don't care. But so many others.

jmho

Actions speak louder than words. That’s all.

Of the 12 teams I've heard back from so far, four had Baker as their QB1, and two more gave me a strong indication that he was. Another league source named two other teams that he believes had him No. 1.

Of the four 'definites,' that I spoke directly with, three were in the AFC and one was in the NFC.

The fact Highsmith watched all the film and liked Darnold the most, but then got talked into mayfield isn’t, to me, reassuring. I’d prefer he went with what he saw on tape. Not how some words or ‘attitude’ swayed him.

I agree - which is why I like Mayfield so much. His body of work on the field beats out all the other QBs in the class.

So, Baker Mayfield has his life, marketing and his own branding already pretty sorted out. He knows that his name and his brand are marketable, and he is a kid who grew up in the digital age. Therefore, he has already been making these short documentaries about his travels to get to the NFL, which include the combine and draft day. Episode 9, titled "Send The Playbook", focuses entirely on Draft Day and Dorsey's #1 selection/phone call. Oh, and while you are there you can buy your own "BM" stamped water bottle (Capitalism, baby).

https://behindbaker.com/

Good for Baker. But if he really wants money, he needs to turn this into a media company and open it up to VCs. I believe Kobe got $100 million funding for his company. I know Tom Brady recently just got paid for doing the same thing. This is three years after LeBron got 15 mil for uninterrupted.

Actions speak louder than words. That’s all.

I'm hoping it was whiteboard work that swayed him during that personal meeting. I'm hoping that Mayfield blew them away with his whiteboard skills while Darnold did not. We did hear prior to the draft that Darnold was less than impressive at the whiteboard.

Maybe during those personal meetings, it was determined that Mayfield had more going on between the ears.

Just speculation on what we heard prior to the draft.

I'm hoping it was whiteboard work that swayed him during that personal meeting. I'm hoping that Mayfield blew them away with his whiteboard skills while Darnold did not. We did hear prior to the draft that Darnold was less than impressive at the whiteboard.

Maybe during those personal meetings, it was determined that Mayfield had more going on between the ears.

Just speculation on what we heard prior to the draft.