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(CNN)The Washington Post's Fact-Checker blog has been keeping a strict count of President Donald Trump's many misstatements, untruths and outright lies. And, over the weekend at a rally in Michigan, Trump hit a(nother) milestone: He topped 3,000 untrue or misleading statements in 466 days in office.

That means that, on average, Trump says 6.5 things that aren't true a day. Every. Single. Day. (Trump is actually picking up the pace when it comes to not telling the truth; he has averaged nine untruths or misleading statements a day over the past two months, according to the Post's count.)

The problem with Trump's penchant for prevarication is that it's hard to contextualize it. We've never had a president with such a casual relationship to the truth. We have no count of how many lies Barack Obama or George W. Bush told per day because, well, they weren't as committed to saying and then repeating falsehoods as Trump quite clearly is.

In an attempt to put some context on just how often Trump lies, I looked up a few other things we do (or are supposed to do) a certain numbers of times per day.

The closest corollary I found is urination. Yes, peeing. Scientists and health experts say you should go between six and seven times a day. Think of it this way: Every time you go to the bathroom, Donald Trump is saying something that is either a stretch of the truth or a complete break with the truth. Every time.

Here's another way to think about it: You are supposed to drink eight glasses (of eight-ounce) water per day. Most of us don't make it all the way to eight. So, lets say you drink six glasses. Every time you finish off that last drop of water in your glass, the President of the United States has said something that isn't true.

It's remarkable. The sheer rate of Trump's untruth-telling is staggering. It is unprecedented. And, it is very, very hard to stop.

Fired FBI Director James Comey, in a town hall late last month with CNN's Anderson Cooper, described the challenge of rebutting all of Trump's false claims nicely.
"(Trump's) style of conversation was a series of assertions about great things he had done. The challenge I found was that they wash over you like a wave and even if you disagree, the waves keep coming. But that is the style, it's 'I'm great, I'm great, I'm great.'"

Comey's point is that if you were going to try to correct every exaggeration, distortion or falsehood that came out of Trump's mouth, you would have to interrupt him on a near-constant basis.

That challenge is amplified if, like me and my friends at the Post's Fact Checker site, you are a member of the media. Trump has spent reams of rhetoric attacking the media's credibility that many people -- especially who voted for and/or still support the President -- believe 100%.

So, saying that he isn't telling the truth -- and he isn't -- won't have any effect on how these people perceive him. In fact, the more the media fact-checks Trump, the more his supporters believe him. It's through-the-looking-glass stuff.

Regardless. Truth matters. Facts matter. And the next time you go to the bathroom today, remember that Donald Trump has just said something that isn't entirely (or even mostly) true.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/01/politics/donald-trump-3000/index.html

Yet all the GOP sheep hang on to, and believe every word. Won't be long now very few American's will believe their own president on anything.

But Hilary .....

LMAO....what a revelation. Hmmm, I wonder how many times Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush Sr, Reagan...etc lied? Let's research and post those figures.

Man, they ALL lie. Please hold all to the same standards.

Pit, I'm not picking on you but I see you're locked in on lies and this crap Trump only hires the best but he keeps on firing his people. Obviously you have no clue what he does and why.

I get a lot of flack for saying Trump is a mentor of mine. News flash, I have a handful of CEO's that I've followed over my life. Jack Welch is my favorite. Do you know what he's famous for besides his list of cliche's and turning GE into what it is today?

Let me help you out. Every year he would fire the bottom 10% of his management team. You could've been in the top 5% of his team for 20 yrs straight. Once you fell into the bottom 10%, you were gone! Hmmm, I wonder why he did that?

Keep your lasers focused on these two meaningless points. I'll keep my focus on the economy, NK, trade etc...

I'm just going to state for the record, that in politics, there is a HUGE difference between untrue and misleading...

Untrue is lying (and Trump does it a lot).. but misleading? That's what most politicians do all day long...... feed us misleading information.

Desperation

And I do understand that. However, he blatantly, outright lies more than any politician I've ever seen. And they're so obvious. I'm just not sure how so many, especially those who claim to be those who actually expect accountability, can so blindly ignore the morally bankrupt man that is Trump.

Honesty. But I doubt you expect that anymore.

I would like to know if they counted repeat lies... Or is that 3000 Seperate and distinct lies?

This has been done with those presidents as well. I guess you really weren't paying attention. It plainly stated that Trump held the record. By a long shot.

And if you consider Tillerson and some others he has fired as the bottom 10%, you really aren't paying attention.

How much money did it cost to do this fact finding mission? Maybe enough t erect a few miles of the Wall?

The reason Trump has been caught in so many lies is because he's not a career politician so he's not as good at it.

I'm guessing they count repeated lies each time he tells them. After all, that's the easiest way to convince people a lie is true. To keep repeating it.

So far it seems to be working for him.

Hey, that's really all you have is to try to laugh it off and ignore it. I'm not surprised that so many make excuses to avoid admitting they support a habitual liar.

Along those lines, I have a friend on Facebook,, Great guy in all respects except politics.

He posted a Meme about Social Security and how the Democrats have destroyed it.

So I went online, found the SSA site, asked the questions, and guess what, each and every statement was either completely false, or at the very best, misleading. (actually only one was misleading, everything else was completely false)

So I posted the SSA article,,, and as is typical of Trump supporters, instead of showing me how the article was wrong, he set out to discredit the SSA as a whole. He said that Lied and that none of the article was truthful.

I had to stop there, it was a silly time wasting argument and I just didn't want to be part of it.

We all are aware to various degrees, that the Government will twist the truth from time to time. Generally, agencies like the SSA, Medicare etc, simply state facts and statistics. Generally, not much more comes out in written form.

But damn, do discredit them just based on your belief that no government agency every tells the truth is completely out of line.. Just insane.

So this "brilliant" career businessman doesn't know how to lie or since it was a family business nobody had the balls to call him on the carpet for it?

I made no excuses in either post, I think there are more important issues right now than which politician lied more.

Oh I pay attention. Trump loves to set records

And many of those records aren't good ones.

I don't like the fact that he lies but he was still better then the alternative choice we had.

Lets go back to your Tillerson comment; did I ever say he was the bottom 10%? Nope.

Tillerson was the CEO of a company 100 times larger than Trumps. Do you think there was a remote possibility his ego and Trumps ego didn't collide?

Dude, keep scratching until you get below the skin.

We actually "almost" agree here! lol

The difference is I don't feel either was worthy of being president of our nation. I don't feel there was a lesser of two evils, only two evils.

Yes. I have a friend that does the exact same thing. Except, this particular friend is a she, and she posts lying memes/posts, etc about Trump.

She was also one of my teachers in h.s.

So, as you say, "as is typical of Trump supporters....", I must say "it's also typical of Trump haters".

Quit lumping people in some little pigeon hole.

The sad part is the stupid one won.

Actually there is probably a modicum of truth to that.. I've said for a long time he is his own worst enemy because he doesn't know when to shut up (or stop tweeting)... he is used to being in the business world and just spouting off whatever comes to mind at the time whether he can verify it as true or not.. but back then he wasn't being recorded 24/7 and when he did get caught most people just ignored him because his lies didn't affect the entire population of the country... just whatever business partners he was screwing over at the time... he hasn't adapted to his new position.

Yep maybe less than 20% of the time.


Trump is at a whopping 47% in comparison.

I'm not going to fact check this Spiral because I really don't care. Let's assume it's true.

That's one hell of an argument, you lie more than me, no I don't, you do.

To hell with both you damn liars.

I like results.

So you expect less from your president than you do from your children. Interesting.....

Are you absolutely sure he memes are no credible?

Did you ever try to disprove her memes? Where did you get the information,,, FOX, Infowars, Brietbart, Hannity, Limbaugh?

If you can't counter from a Legit site, then you can't counter.

But there is one thing you are absolutely right about, Both sides in this argument do the same things and I should also tell you that Trump supporters are as guilty as anyone at lumping people together.

Using the work Typical, means that Most of them are like that (either side) It's not a matter of lumping them, it's just the way it is.

Only the current president effects us now. The GOP sheep believe 100% of his 47% lies.

Repeat after me..... Baaaaaa

Yes, I check things out before I reply to her.

I used to even use CNN to refute the crap she put up.

Anymore, I just delete her garbage. Not worth my time.

Well if we are to keep track of things to label as lies then I may be guilty too...

I told the wife I would like a piece of cheesecake for dessert.
Later, when the meal was done, I told her I wanted the chocolate cake.

I said I was happy with our Mailman on Tuesday but by Friday I was mad at him.

I said my Mechanic was a good one but 2 years later I replaced him with a better one.

I told the Daughter I had $100 bucks in my wallet but it turned out to be $98.

LIES LIES and more LIES!

Every once in a while I will fact check a meme if it doesn't look right. I get a lot of them from both sides.. sometimes they are right, sometimes they are dead wrong.. more often than not they are "selectively right"... there is enough truth in them that you can't say they are a LIE, but there is either enough misleading information in them (or enough pertinent information left out) that it's a stretch to call them "true"...

However, regarding your post... when they put me in charge of the universe, it will be the responsibility of the person posting to have confirmed that it's true, not the thousands of other people reading it...

This post saved me a LOT of typing.
Dead on-point.

Also, I think more often than not, Trump doesn't even understand what he's talking about, or is misremembering something he hears on TV.

Every time I peruse these lists, there's always a host of items where it seems less like Trump is being intentionally misleading or deceitful, but rather that he merely doesn't know or understand whatever he happens to be discussing.

So your saying he is on par with the last 20 Presidents.

I would like to nominate this as the worst analogy I have seen posted anywhere on this board...

Although I'm sure lying is perfectly acceptable to you, but if the leader of the free word does it, do I need to really point out how it can affect global markets, strain ally relationships or just plain make us look like fools domestically and internationally... just to name a few.

Poor mailman...

I told everyone I was worth $10 billion and a savvy businessman but it turned out I was $4 billion in debt and just a trust fund dunce cosplaying as a real estate developer.

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/365393-how-quickly-ny-times-forgets-obamas-lies-and-frauds [/quote]

Who am I to argue with the king of cut and paste...

If you crunch the numbers, though, I count less there than any single day for the trumpkin...