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Has the Times forgotten about Edward Snowden? Obama responded to Snowden’s stunning revelations of the National Security Agency’s vacuuming up millions of Americans’ personal data by going on the Jay Leno Show and proclaiming: “There is no spying on Americans.” But NSA’s definition of “terrorist suspect” was so ludicrously broad that it includes anyone “searching the web for suspicious stuff” (maybe including presidential lies). Obama’s verbal defenses of NSA spying collapsed like a row of houses of cards.
In early 2009, Obama visited Mexico and, in a spiel calling for the renewal of the assault weapon ban, asserted that “more than 90 percent of the guns recovered in Mexico come from the United States.” This vastly overstated the actual problem, since that statistic measured only firearms that Mexican authorities sent to the U.S. for tracing.
His administration then acted as if 90 percent was a goal, not a lie, launching a secret Fast and Furious gunwalking operation masterminded by the Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives agency, deluging Mexican drug gangs with high-powered weapons. At least 150 Mexicans were killed by guns illegally sent south of the border with Obama administration approval.
Obama’s animosity to the Second Amendment spurred some of his most farcical whoppers. In July 2016, Obama asserted: “We flood communities with so many guns that it is easier for a teenager to buy a Glock than get his hands on a computer or even a book.” Glocks are the Lexus of handguns, and a person could buy hundreds of volumes of used books via Amazon for the price of a Glock.
A year earlier, Obama bewailed “neighborhoods where it’s easier for you to buy a handgun and clips than it is for you to buy a fresh vegetable.” Obama never offered a single example of a locale where carrots are rarer than .38 Specials. But his false claim helped frighten clueless suburbanites to support Obama’s anti-gun agenda.
The Times column lists only one Obama falsehood on the Affordable Care Act: “If you like your doctor, you'll be able to keep your doctor; if you like your health care plan, you'll be able to keep your health care plan.” Obama’s dozens of variations and recitals of this lie were disregarded. The Times also ignored the fact that the ObamaCare legislation was carefully crafted to con Congress and the public. As its intellectual godfather, MIT economist Jonathan Gruber, explained:
“Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically, that was really, really critical to get this thing to pass.”
Who am I to argue with the king of cut and paste... If you crunch the numbers, though, I count less there than any single day for the trumpkin... Stand your ground with these GOPers Laird! This article about O doesn't hold a candle to Trump's Lies! He lies because that is who he is. He lies every time he gets in front of the camera, every time! Vambo is plain brainwashed and will pull these whataboutisms out of his wherever every chance he gets. Don't go down the rabbit hole with the rodents, just set them straight and move on to the next bit of business. You will learn to ignore 90% of their replies unless you like trudging through feeble minded drooling Trumpian partisanship and getting that stink on your shoes.
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Has the Times forgotten about Edward Snowden? Obama responded to Snowden’s stunning revelations of the National Security Agency’s vacuuming up millions of Americans’ personal data by going on the Jay Leno Show and proclaiming: “There is no spying on Americans.” But NSA’s definition of “terrorist suspect” was so ludicrously broad that it includes anyone “searching the web for suspicious stuff” (maybe including presidential lies). Obama’s verbal defenses of NSA spying collapsed like a row of houses of cards.
In early 2009, Obama visited Mexico and, in a spiel calling for the renewal of the assault weapon ban, asserted that “more than 90 percent of the guns recovered in Mexico come from the United States.” This vastly overstated the actual problem, since that statistic measured only firearms that Mexican authorities sent to the U.S. for tracing.
His administration then acted as if 90 percent was a goal, not a lie, launching a secret Fast and Furious gunwalking operation masterminded by the Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives agency, deluging Mexican drug gangs with high-powered weapons. At least 150 Mexicans were killed by guns illegally sent south of the border with Obama administration approval.
Obama’s animosity to the Second Amendment spurred some of his most farcical whoppers. In July 2016, Obama asserted: “We flood communities with so many guns that it is easier for a teenager to buy a Glock than get his hands on a computer or even a book.” Glocks are the Lexus of handguns, and a person could buy hundreds of volumes of used books via Amazon for the price of a Glock.
A year earlier, Obama bewailed “neighborhoods where it’s easier for you to buy a handgun and clips than it is for you to buy a fresh vegetable.” Obama never offered a single example of a locale where carrots are rarer than .38 Specials. But his false claim helped frighten clueless suburbanites to support Obama’s anti-gun agenda.
The Times column lists only one Obama falsehood on the Affordable Care Act: “If you like your doctor, you'll be able to keep your doctor; if you like your health care plan, you'll be able to keep your health care plan.” Obama’s dozens of variations and recitals of this lie were disregarded. The Times also ignored the fact that the ObamaCare legislation was carefully crafted to con Congress and the public. As its intellectual godfather, MIT economist Jonathan Gruber, explained:
“Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically, that was really, really critical to get this thing to pass.”
Who am I to argue with the king of cut and paste... If you crunch the numbers, though, I count less there than any single day for the trumpkin... Stand your ground with these GOPers Laird! This article about O doesn't hold a candle to Trump's Lies! He lies because that is who he is. He lies every time he gets in front of the camera, every time! Vambo is plain brainwashed and will pull these whataboutisms out of his wherever every chance he gets. Don't go down the rabbit hole with the rodents, just set them straight and move on to the next bit of business. You will learn to ignore 90% of their replies unless you like trudging through feeble minded drooling Trumpian partisanship and getting that stink on your shoes. 1) “If you like your health care plan, you'll be able to keep your health care plan.” This is the only one on my list that the New York Times actually mentions. However, even in mentioning it, they cover for Obama. The Times article states that “When [prior presidents] became aware that they had been saying something untrue, they stopped doing it. Obama didn’t continue to claim that all Americans would be able to keep their existing health insurance under Obamacare, for example.” But this is not at all the case. Obama started this talking point during his campaign, continued it as he tried to sell Obamacare, and made the claim during his 2012 reelection campaign. It was clearly false that entire time. Though he eventually conceded to NBC’s Chuck Todd, “We weren’t as clear as we needed to be,” that didn’t happen immediately. When stories about plan cancellations mounted in the fall of 2013, his White House first pushed back on the idea that he lied, then Obama lied about the original lie, claiming “what we said was you can keep it if it hasn’t changed since the law passed.” So basically a falsehood he had been telling from his campaign had gone uncorrected until Nov. 2013, toward the end of the fifth year of his presidency, and was only acknowledged once the political price of repeating the lie had exceeded the value of telling the lie. You can watch a video compilation of the times he repeated the lie here. 2) The “average American family is paying thousands” in extra premiums to cover uncompensated care for the uninsured Not even close. 3) “We spend about $6,000 per person more than any other industrialized nation on Earth” Obama made a variation of this claim a number of times, including at an AARP forum. And it was not true. 4) Obama claimed a decision to revoke insurance led to an Illinois man's death But facts show the man in question did receive treatment and lived for another three years, and the insurance company could not be blamed for his death. 5) "I have not said that I was a single-payer supporter." Obama made this claim in 2009, but in 2003 he had said, "I happen to be a proponent of a single-payer universal health care program.” 6) "I didn't campaign on a public option." It was actually included in his campaign healthcare plan. 7) Health insurers are “making record profits, right now." They weren’t at the time. 8) Obama claimed 1980s-era obesity rates would save Medicare $1 trillion. This was not supported by the data. 9) Obama said preventive care would save money, but the best available evidence showed the contrary. Early intervention can save money in some individual cases, but when applied across the population, studies have found it generally costs more than it saves. 10) Rising healthcare costs "causes a bankruptcy in America every 30 seconds." The true figure is much lower. 11) "It’s a plan that incorporates ideas from many of the people in this room tonight – Democrats and Republicans." GOP amendments that were accepted were either technical or extremely minor. Additional falsehoods: 12) Obamacare “will more than pay for itself.” Republicans are getting a lot of grief from fact-checkers these days for claiming that their tax cuts will pay for themselves, but in 2009, Obama told the incredible whopper that Obamacare would pay for itself. At an AARP forum, he said of the finances of the legislation, "we're talking about a trillion dollars over 10 years — that's $100 billion a year. About 60 percent of that can be paid for by taking money that's already in the system but isn't working to make you healthier -- that can pay for about 60 percent of it. So really what we're talking about is another $30 billion to $40 billion every year to cover everybody, and we're going to get most of that money back if we're providing more prevention, more wellness, doctors, and hospitals are being reimbursed more intelligently. Over time that money will -- that investment will more than pay for itself." This was and is blatantly false. Let’s put aside the fact that the idea that the law cost $1 trillion over 10 years number was a result of an accounting gimmick that delayed the implementation of the major coverage previsions until after four years, to create the appearance that it cost less under the typical budget window. As noted above, the simple math is that, according to the CBO, even after taking into account Medicare savings, Obamacare is expected to spend $821 billion more on expanding health coverage from 2016 through 2025, after taking into account projected Medicare savings. 13) Obamacare "could save families $2,500 in the coming years -- $2,500 per family." After citing an agreement with major healthcare industries, Obama said, “Coupled with comprehensive reform, this could result in our nation saving over $2 trillion over the next 10 years, and that could save families $2,500 in the coming years -- $2,500 per family.” It’s not clear exactly how Obama arrived at that number, but by one easy metric, the U.S. spent $8,147 per person on healthcare in 2009 and $10,348 per person in 2016. Judged another way, it increased spending by $821 billion, according to the CBO, even after taking into account the offset savings from the law’s Medicare cuts. Unsubsidized families that have seen their premiums soar certainly haven’t saved $2,500. 14) Obamacare’s individual mandate is not a middle-class tax increase Obama promised repeatedly that he would never raise taxes on the middle class. When confronted by ABC’s George Stephanopoulos in Sept. 2009, he affirmed the promise and said “I absolutely reject that notion” -- i.e. the idea that the mandate is a tax increase. But his administration subsequently argued in the Supreme Court that the mandate was a tax. And according to the CBO, 58 percent of those who paid the mandate penalty in 2015 earned under $50,000 and 86 percent earned under $100,000. 15) “Reducing the waste and inefficiency in Medicare and Medicaid will pay for most of this plan.” Obama made this statement in his Sept. 2009 speech to a joint session of Congress. In reality, a majority of the plan is paid for by higher taxes, as was the case both at the time it passed and in the present day. 16) “Nobody is talking about cutting Medicare benefits.” Though the law didn’t change the benefit structure directly, among other changes, it did make changes to the way providers will be paid, which the chief actuary at the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services at the time the law passed warned would cause providers to drop out of the system “jeopardizing access to care for beneficiaries.” The number of doctors dropping out of Medicare increased substantially in the years after the law passed, even though the level has not been as massive as some feared at the time. 17) “You would have a lot of choices." At the AARP forum, Obama said that once legislation passed, "essentially what you would be able to do is you could just go online, you would be able to see a list of participating insurers -- which by the way, is very important, because in most states right now insurance companies are dominated by -- or the insurance market is dominated by just one or two insurers, so you don't have a lot of choices. And this way, you would have a lot of choices." Though it’s true that there was a lot of market concentration in the pre-Obamacare world, the introduction of the law has not made things better, and in some states, has made things worse. In 2013, the year before Obamacare went into effect, on average, states had four insurers with more than 5 percent of the market share -- which was the same as in 2016, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation. In some states, things got worse. For instance, before Obamacare, Alaska had five insurers with market shares of over 5 percent, and Wyoming had 4. By 2016, Alaska was down to two and Wyoming was down to one. This does not take into account the wave of insurer exits over the past year and a half. Nor does it consider that under Obamacare, the types of plans that individuals can buy are dictated by Washington, prohibiting young and healthy individuals from choosing relatively inexpensive plans with a narrower collection of benefits. 18) “No federal dollars will be used to fund abortions" This one is hotly debated, but the facts are that Obamacare provides subsidies for individuals to purchase insurance, and that money can be used to purchase plans that cover abortions. This is among a number of loopholes that allow taxpayer money to finance abortions. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/new-y...e-in-2009-alone
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I'll be one of the first to say that OC was not perfect, but what was originally envisioned by Obama at the time was not what congress sent back to him... but it was on the right track and was done to assist many Americans get coverage that never could qualify before... only the GOP would consider that a bad thing...
Rather than the cluster truck that ensued after trump was elected, OC could have been fixed and become much better.
BTW... Can you tell me what the trumpkin promised about healthcare?
When is Mexico paying for that wall...
Did he have the largest electoral victory in the history of the USA... please answer these and I won't copy and paste 2997 more for you...
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Trump and the GOP just stole a trillion dollars with their tax scheme and you want to play whataboutisms over the ACA? At least O tried to get the healthcare for all ball rolling. He had a decent plan before republicans, big pharma, and the insurance companies got their thumbs in the pie! That's why it went wrong, everything y'all touch dies... black souls in the GOP.
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One of the first things we're taught as a child is honesty. One of the most notable traits of a human being is honesty. And while all politicians tell a lie from time to time, none have come close to the daily lies and falsehoods Trump has perpetrated on this nation. Not even close.
Yet his supporters eat up his every word. One thing I've learned about perpetual liars is that you can never know when they're telling you the truth or they're lying to you. A lesson it seems many have yet to learn.
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It's time for the decent people on the right to get their heads out of their rectums and look at what is really going on!
We have lost our world standing in leadership and unwavering reliability to our oldest Allies. We are seeing blatantly racist policy after policy. We are seeing the poorest and most vulnerable targeted in all social systems including health, housing, and education. We are watching the biggest transfer of wealth to the top in our HISTORY! And our lying demagogue President wants to be a dictator!
Talk about giving our freedoms away! He's destroying trust in the free press, trust in our legal institutions, and trust in our democracy! Trump is supposed to be this big winner, yet he is always playing the victim card to hide his corruption. I have zero doubt he's a crook and a con man, but I think the SOB might just bring it all down before we rid ourselves of him.
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Yet his supporters eat up his every word. No his supporters don't! I'm a huge supporter. Let me rephrase your Honor so I'm not accused of LYING or MISREPRESENTING, this supporter doesn't eat up his every word. I made a post about a year ago about his BS rhetoric. IIRC, I mentioned Trump saying he was the best baseball player in the State of New York when he was in high school. His words, the only reason I didn't go pro is because they don't pay enough. LMAO, what a crock! I think I gave a few examples. Have that 3 letter troll of a poster pull it up.
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Yet his supporters eat up his every word. No his supporters don't! I'm a huge supporter. Let me rephrase your Honor so I'm not accused of LYING or MISREPRESENTING, this supporter doesn't eat up his every word. I made a post about a year ago about his BS rhetoric. IIRC, I mentioned Trump saying he was the best baseball player in the State of New York when he was in high school. His words, the only reason I didn't go pro is because they don't pay enough. LMAO, what a crock! I think I gave a few examples. Have that 3 letter troll of a poster pull it up. Good! Then please wake up and look at all the harm he is doing! It is our responsibility to future generations to put down this fascism, racism, corruption, and blatant deceit! For any ounce of good this President does, there is a ton of bad being overlooked! He is a habitual liar and a con man. Even Trey Gowdy called him out saying "if you are innocent then quit acting so guilty!" His whole presidency is a heist! It's the biggest transfer of wealth from the bottom to the top in history! And unless you are in the very top percentage, you don't mean a damn thing to this man.
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I'm awake and very alert OCD even tho (like Trump) I get about 4-5 hrs of sleep per night.  I'm not going to rehash everything I posted on here. Some of us choose to focus on nothing but the negatives, while others focus on the positives. Just like I did with Obama, I'll assess his Presidency when he's done. So far, I'm liking it.
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I'm awake and very alert OCD even tho (like Trump) I get about 4-5 hrs of sleep per night. I'm not going to rehash everything I posted on here. Some of us choose to focus on nothing but the negatives, while others focus on the positives. I'm focused on all of it. I've given props at every step that Trump has earned them, but a blind man can see what's happening now. This is going to end bad for all of us, very bad. This is a heist at minimum, destruction of our democracy at max. I don't want to play or pay for that kind of risk. That is lose/lose for all of us not in that top percentage. No offense, but I bet that includes you too.
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TDS at its worst ... or finest depending on your outlook ... ... OCD and his lefty buds have a wee bit of a problem following the bouncing ball ...  ...
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I've given props at every step that Trump has earned them Props for that OCD, that's how it should be. a blind man can see what's happening now I'll confess I have to wear cheaters at the age of 52 destruction of our democracy at max. I heard the same over reaction by the Obama haters....hmmm the world's still spinning. No offense, but I bet that includes you too. You're correct, I do pretty damn well but that 1% is nowhere in sight for me Here's what I do know. Bush killed my industry, Obama helped revive it, Trump is making me and my guys a boatload!!!
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TDS at its worst ... or finest depending on your outlook ... ... OCD and his lefty buds have a wee bit of a problem following the bouncing ball ... ... It's a heist. There is no bounce, just America being rung dry while you sleep. I've seen you talk about other things and I know you care. So what you voted for Trump, I'm just asking that you look at the totality of the harm he is doing to America. I'm done following you guys down rabbit holes and measuring political peckers. This Presidency is wrecking America, your home and mine. You can have Pence for the next six years, just stand up to this tyrant.
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OCD, c'mon man! This economy is flipping ROCKING man. It's going so damn well a whole new set of problems have risen from the ashes. I've been in New Smyrna Beach for 18 yrs. We have planned developments that have been stagnant for damn near 10 yrs. As I'm typing this, a few of us are fighting City Hall. Because of Trump, we have new developments in progress totaling over 50,000 new homes. Here's the problem. Some crooked ass counsel member is on the take. (we're going to find out who) Protected wetlands along our inter-coastal was just bulldozed to make room for million dollar homes. Guess what lived in those wetlands? Coyotes. They use to be a rare sighting. Now, people walking the dogs down the street are having them snatched up by the pack of coyotes. Another huge development cleared wetlands along I-95. It's approximately 400 acres. The developer cleared this land before a permit was issued. They also burned the brush without a permit causing a massive wildfire shutting down 95 for a few days. WTF? Google this if you think I'm BSing. It also caused a problem for me. 50,000 homes, guess where my guys are going? They're subs so they're free to work for whoever. I flip homes, I can't compete with new home builders when it comes to attracting labor.
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Let's not mention how well the economy was doing for seven straight years before Trump was elected. He's doing fine with the economy, but let's not ignore the fact that he inherited an economy that was doing well before he was elected.
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Let's not mention how well the economy was doing for seven straight years before Trump was elected. He's doing fine with the economy, but let's not ignore the fact that he inherited an economy that was doing well before he was elected. Please dont forget that ... ....
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Jobs were created in the hundreds of thousands monthly for year now. I know it wasn't your boy but it has been happening for seven years. It's nothing new.
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Jobs were created in the hundreds of thousands monthly for year now. I know it wasn't your boy but it has been happening for seven years. It's nothing new. this notion of "we must twist the facts to make 'our side' look good and 'their side' look bad" is 90% of what is tearing this country apart..
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OMG....that is frickin hilarious! Venetian Bay, a massive development stopped dead in it's tracks in 2008. A damn sign stood at the gates until a few months ago; 'Phase 2 coming Spring of 2009' Ground was turned over about 2 months ago for phase 2 Thanks Obama! I'm baffled Diam Bro, our heads are spinning from all the construction here. I'm all for progress but damn slow the hell down and think about our wetlands that are suppose to be PROTECTED are now being bulldozed. Since Trump became President, our city has raised daily beach parking in the lots from free to $10 a day to now $20 a day. People are coming from EVERYWHERE! The town of Edgewater (neighbor to our south) has no access to the beach. They are now talking about building a bridge over the inter-coastal to help alleviate the traffic on 44 in New Smyrna.
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Jobs were created in the hundreds of thousands monthly for year now. I know it wasn't your boy but it has been happening for seven years. It's nothing new. this notion of "we must twist the facts to make 'our side' look good and 'their side' look bad" is 90% of what is tearing this country apart.. And it really keeps many blind to the fact that this is ultimately an unsustainable economy. There was a lot of touting about Obama and recovery, but we really just threw a band-aid on a head wound and haven't done anything to address the failings of what continues to be a bubble economy. For all the touting of Obama's "reforms"...nothing really changed. A few banking regulations were put in place, but nothing to really address the systemic issues, and no punishments meted out for those who basically burned down the house with reckless cash grabs.
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Some folks think they know way more about certain topics than they actually do ... Pitt has a mild case of TDS ... not full fledged like the rest of them ... But the fact Pit can’t tell the differences in O’s economy and Mr. Presidents economy is really all u need to know when it comes to his business acumen .... hes right about one thing ... and my guess is he dont even know what it is ..  ... O inherited a much worse economy than he left Mr. President with ... Other than that ... as u well know .... NIGHT AND DAY DIFFERENCES IN THE TWO ECONOMIES!!! U sick of winning yet bro ...
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Some folks think they know way more about certain topics than they actually do ... The "YOU people are CLUELESS, Quinn is a STUD PROSPECT, I know more than U wait and SEE" guy has some thoughts on being overconfident in their knowledge. Pitt has a mild case of TDS ... not full fledged like the rest of them ... But the fact Pit can’t tell the differences in O’s economy and Mr. Presidents economy is really all u need to know when it comes to his business acumen .... hes right about one thing ... and my guess is he dont even know what it is .. ... You got duped into thinking Trump had business acumen and it led you to spend a day trying to argue that the bank taking guardianship of his business because he was deemed incompetent and too far in debt was a sign of great business acumen. Maybe it's a subject you should take your above advice on.
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O inherited a much worse economy than he left Mr. President with ...
How true that is! U sick of winning yet bro Man I thought these words would NEVER come out of my mouth; 'We may be winning too much!' Kidding of course. These guys on the left can spew all the crap they want...take a frickin look around! But hey, he lied x amount of times in so many days...
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U missed one of my all time fav displays of TDS ... please sit and make sure your not sipping your drink before reading this one ...
A week or two ago the TDSers were telling us that Trump doesn't know how to negotiate and is a bad businessman ...
Honest to god ... they were dead serious ... if it wasn’t so sad it would have been hysterical ...
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U sick of winning yet bro Man I thought these words would NEVER come out of my mouth; 'We may be winning too much!' Kidding of course. It truly is like a couple of girls with braces kissing Tiger Beat magazine photos of boy band stars. But instead of Justin Timberlake or whoever, it's a bumbling senile elderly man they've implanted an entire cult of personality fantasy onto.
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Some folks think they know way more about certain topics than they actually do ...
I've noticed that.
yebat' Putin
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And I do understand that. However, he blatantly, outright lies more than any politician I've ever seen. And they're so obvious. I'm just not sure how so many, especially those who claim to be those who actually expect accountability, can so blindly ignore the morally bankrupt man that is Trump. Who made you the judge of morality? If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
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And I do understand that. However, he blatantly, outright lies more than any politician I've ever seen. And they're so obvious. I'm just not sure how so many, especially those who claim to be those who actually expect accountability, can so blindly ignore the morally bankrupt man that is Trump. Who made you the judge of morality? If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. I think there's a big difference between those who have moral flaws or failings and those with absolutely no redeeming qualities whatsoever.
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Dawg.... wassamatta with you?
You KNOW that's not how the game is played...
"too many notes, not enough music-"
#GMStong
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And I do understand that. However, he blatantly, outright lies more than any politician I've ever seen. And they're so obvious. I'm just not sure how so many, especially those who claim to be those who actually expect accountability, can so blindly ignore the morally bankrupt man that is Trump. Who made you the judge of morality? If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. I think there's a big difference between those who have moral flaws or failings and those with absolutely no redeeming qualities whatsoever. It's so hard to seperate them when they are covered in stupid sauce though, for real.
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Forums DawgTalk Palus Politicus President Trump lied more than
3,000 times in 466 days
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