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I just was watching STO's Training Camp Daily and noticed how negative that Tony Grossi was regarding LeCharles return. Reading him daily in the Plain Dealer, I've got the notion that he is this way every day and night. A media member that will be negative until proven otherwise. Then I looked around on the internet. Mary Kay and Doerschuck both seem to play the game that way. Hoynes feels that the Tribe can do no right and Branson Wright seems to keep in lockstep with Livingston, Brown, Shaw, Grossi, Cabot, et al...

Should we, as fans, be more diligent? I say yes, and here is why... Look at the last time you thought about ANY of your beloved sports teams and felt any relief when viewed through the looking glass of the written scribe? I'd venture to guess that it'd be more than a few years. Take a look at these boards. Granted, due to the rules of the board, most posts are based on print media. However, when you take that into effect given the way they write about our team, we fall right into line regarding how they want us to feel while they pound those words on their keyboards. Negativity will always sell. The squeaky wheel gets the grease. I know all the proverbs, but I still feel the same way.

Cleveland will never be good enough to these people because Cleveland is not thier home. They never grew up bleeding out the way we do. They never sweated through a ninth inning save like us. They can't can't grasp a rebounds' importance like all of us. And most importantly, they can't sense a city's optimism tying into sporting success. Cleveland has a reason to look forward to the future, and they cannot stand the thought that soon on this city, negativism will be passe.

We all on this board love sports or else we would not be here. I implore you to not buy into the prevailing notion that is being sold wholesale daily. We have a reason to be happy! We're finally making moves with sense. Our rivals now look over their shoulders with an eye to the future when the bullied become the big man on the block! We're almost there.I personally cannot wait to walk up to the print reporters in this town and rub it in thier faces!!!

pure football?

Sorry. I thought about that before I posted, but I felt that given the topics that I feel are relevant, as well as the way most react, pure football was a good home. If it should, or needs, to be moved, I welcome it. I'm only trying to contribute to the best Browns football board. I've also had a few adult drinks tonight so that maight've clouded my judgement!

free post for jay

Yea rah rah have another drink.

Why would anyone want to beat Wolf up just cause he put this in the wrong forum.. Geez,,

Anyway wolf, I've thought that the writers, as a whole, don't do justice to what's real and what isn't. I suppose it's fair to say that both them and us have perceptions of reality.

I went to camp the first day this year. Not much happening because they weren't in pads and weren't hitting. So it's impossible for ME to say how they are doing.

But I pretty much have decided that guys like Grossi have an agenda and it doesn't matter if they are right or wrong, they push that agenda. So if I wanna know what's happening in camp, I mostly rely on people on this site that have gone and report back the tidbits of Info..Usually, there isn't an agenda.. They just write what they saw.

Take this Brady Quinn thing. So far he isn't even the longest Holdout of the New Era. Edwards was. Although Quinn is creeping up fast. But you would think the SKY is falling because he isn't in camp..

So what. We played games last year with the same three QB's we have now and I have to wonder, had any of our current QB's had the kinda Line we have now, would we have faired better...and I keep coming back to YES..

Do I want Quinn signed and in camp...sure I do. The faster he gets here the faster we find out if he is the real deal and the sooner we can count on him..

But it's just not a big deal to me,,, Grossi wouldn't agree

Ya know, you guys gripe about the media like they should be a propaganda arm of the Browns. They are reporting what they see and hear. Because the Browns have sucked for a long, long time there is not a whole lot of positives to report.

I actually watched Grossi last night. I did not perceive him as negative at all. Truthful, yes. He gave his opinion of the Quinn situation. An opinion, by the way, that is held by many on here. If you guys only want fluff I'd suggest only reading clevelandbrowns.com.

I can site an example of a comment by Grossi that says the the guy is a complete idiot..

Remember,, he guaranteed that Cowher would be the head coach of the Browns in 07....LOL

To be honest, I knew what he was doing. He was trying to stir the pot. The media does that alot..

They take a Non Story and make it the big deal of the day.. THen when it doesn't come down as they said it would, they never bring it up again..

Expressing opinions is fine. I don't have a problem with that. But stating things that they CAN'T possibly know as fact,, that's pot stirring at it's best..

Example, none of the media has a clue as to whats going on with the Quinn deal... They don't and anyone that thinks that Condon or Savage is gonna let the truth out at this point is smoking some bad dope.. Yet they are constantly bombarding us with this fact or that fact...

It's fact versus opinion that rattles my cage!

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But I pretty much have decided that guys like Grossi have an agenda and it doesn't matter if they are right or wrong, they push that agenda.

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What is his agenda, exactly? People throw that word around here and never elaborate.
Hint: The Browns have sucked for several years. It's hard to be a critic and write glowing endorsements when the act you're critiquing is a piece of turd.

I've been reading the Cleveland football writers since I got into the 'net, and it's nowhere nearly as bad as other cities when it comes to how they approach the coverage of their sports teams.
Cleveland's print media guys seem downright nice compared to other cities.

Ever been to Boston or New York? Or even Toronto? Are you familiar with the work of media outlets in those cities? Cleveland is like Sesame Street.
LOL.

Let's see otto..................

Doesn't Grossi have a job? I mean what is his profession? Oh yeah,a "sports writer".

Now as a "sportswriter",what is his goal to gain success? Oh yeah,that's right,to "sale papers,do interviews and make money".

How do you be "non-contraversial and do that again"? That's right,you don't.



The fact is that everybody "has an agenda" in this formula. You're right about clevelandbrowns.com. They have an agenda to "sale the team". Just like Grossi has an agenda to "create contraversy" to SALE HIS GOODS.

The truth generaly lies somewhere in the middle.

Our talent level is getting better.
The OL talent is MUCH improved.
Our RB was upgraded,but not for the long term.
We drafted a VERY talented kid at QB but he's just not signed yet.
We didn't upgrade enough on the DL.
We got a very talented,but raw kid at CB. (upgrade)

It's not all a bed of roses just as it's not a bed of thorns. As I said,if you can read between the lines and agenda's,the truth is usually somewhere in the middle.

JMHO

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Remember,, he guaranteed that Cowher would be the head coach of the Browns in 07....LOL

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I remember that article last fall. I didn't quite get it either, to be honest, it was a little "out there". But overall Grossi writes decent stuff IMO, I don't' see him as being overly sensational .

If you're talking about the November 17th article Grossi didn't say Cowher would be the coach. He suggested Bill was thinking about it after his stint in Pburgh. In 2008. Big Difference.

Frankly, untill Romeo makes it though the season as HC we don't know whether that was pure speculation or a vision of things to come......

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What is his agenda, exactly? People throw that word around here and never elaborate.

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That's probably the question of the day.. That's the thing I don't understand. Why does he make the stupid comments he makes,, what possible agenda does or could or even should he have beyond reporting the facts..

Yet he does it all the time.... go figure.

To tell the truth, I'm just ticked off at the media in general.. it's not just about sports, it's about anything they report.. If there isn't a big story,, then they find a little one to blow up out of proportion.. I guess I should just grow up and accept it for what it is.

Actually Lamp, I was referring to a comment he made on TV on the show on Channel 3 on Mondays where he shares the stage with Coach Sam, Donovan and Dieken... He declared it openly and the others just looked at him dumbfounded.....

And yeah, he did write something like that in the paper, ,but not quite as strong,, I remember that article also...

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To tell the truth, I'm just ticked off at the media in general..

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Daman, are you ticked off at the media for reporting negative stuff about the Browns or are you really ticked off at the Browns for not giving them anything positive to write about for 10 years and you just don't want to admit that you're ticked off at the Browns?

Vette, my intention was not to insult the fans that support this team and do not live here. Nor did I mean to stir up those that responded with the typical we suck, you're wrong, why does everything have to be positive cracks. I simply would like to see more professionalism from Clevelands journalists. Journalism was my minor in college, and I hate to say it, but I wonder if most of Clevelands' print media even has that credential. I did mention Livingston and Shaw, but they are opinion-editorial writers. Negativity and controversy is what they are supposed to do. However, a beat writers job is to simply cover the team. Why do I think Grossi is unproffesional? His answers every Sunday in that stupid question and answer section in the Plain Dealer tell me all I need to know of the guy. They reek of arrogance, he seemingly thinks that he could run the team better than Savage, Crennel, Lerner, et al. I know that we all do the same thing, but we are all know-it-all nobodies with this as our only soapbox. Grossi has a platform that reaches millions daily. And it is taken as more fact than any of us could possibly hope. I am not naieve enough to expect nothing but positives, nor do I think the Browns have been good enough to warrant any perdictions of greatness any time soon. I just think that Grossi is that writer that will write the way he does until this team gets better, then turn around and say, "I told you so!" when the going gets good. I guess I just expect better from my information sources...