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What does their missiles have to do with the NUCLEAR agreement?
My god use your damn brain. You’re sitting there acting as if the agreement was suppose to cover all weapon systems, or anything OTHER than their development of nukes.
This is why I roast you and others on the regular. You’re completely oblivious to how the world works.
What’s worse is that you honestly think you’re right and said something witty. You completely missed the point there. The point/example is that the Iranian leaders cannot be trusted. Pretty simple actually. Like many liberals in an argument, you spent about 10% of your response showing that you completely missed the point...THEN...spent the rest of your post insulting the opinion of another. Classic.
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Not witty ... COLD HARD SAD FACTS ... They bought the missiles from Russia with the money they got when the sanctions were lifted .. or they used the 1.7 billion we gave them for the hostages ... See how that ties in with your ... “Russia is doing business with Iran now cause of Trump pulling out” BS ... They been doing business since 30 seconds after the ORIGINAL AGREEMENT ... The missiles being lobbed on Isreal purchased from Russia with the money we gave them was just DRIVING THE POINT HOME ...  Do U have any understanding of irony at all? ...  ...
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He got the point .. he just couldn’t refute it ... so he goes to page 17 of Saul’s book .. u know his bible ... Page 17 paragraph 2 line 1 ... When they point out facts: 1a. DEFLECT from the FACT u can’t refute While at the same time 1b. INSULT the messanger ... Saint Saul .... ...
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Not witty ... COLD HARD SAD FACTS ... They bought the missiles from Russia with the money they got when the sanctions were lifted .. or they used the 1.7 billion we gave them for the hostages ... See how that ties in with your ... “Russia is doing business with Iran now cause of Trump pulling out” BS ... They been doing business since 30 seconds after the ORIGINAL AGREEMENT ... The missiles being lobbed on Isreal purchased from Russia with the money we gave them was just DRIVING THE POINT HOME ... Do U have any understanding of irony at all? ... ... We didn't give them any money. We released their funds that had been frozen.
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Who pulled out of the deal, despite the FACT that the Iranians were complying?
Yea, that’s a clear sign that it’s us who can’t be trusted.
And the point? It’s called the Iranian nuclear agreement. Not WSU is mad we used diplomacy instead of bombs agreement.
You and diam have demonstrated that you don’t even understand the deal. Hell, you two have routinely demonstrated you don’t much about foreign policy at all.
I’m watching two clueless people high five each other as if they made any actual points. It’s pathetic, but unfortunately legal, that you are even allowed to vote, despite proving that you are a highly uneducated voter.
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But it was a bad deal because Obama!
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Who pulled out of the deal, despite the FACT that the Iranians were complying?
Yea, that’s a clear sign that it’s us who can’t be trusted.
And the point? It’s called the Iranian nuclear agreement. Not WSU is mad we used diplomacy instead of bombs agreement.
You and diam have demonstrated that you don’t even understand the deal. Hell, you two have routinely demonstrated you don’t much about foreign policy at all.
I’m watching two clueless people high five each other as if they made any actual points. It’s pathetic, but unfortunately legal, that you are even allowed to vote, despite proving that you are a highly uneducated voter. Another classic, insulting liberal response short on substance and high on emotion. It boils down to this...You believe we should trust Iran...I don't. I don't have to resort to name calling and insults to make my point...but you do. You believe that Iran is and will comply while enjoying a 24 day pre-inspection alert? An inspection that requires the approval of China & Russia? You are joking, right? What did Iran do leading up to the deal that showed why the sanctions should be lifted?
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But it was a bad deal because Obama! It was a bad deal because it was a bad deal. Once again, the liberal argument has to resort to over-the-top rhetoric to salvage an argument. Little soundbites with no facts...just emotion. Tell me where Shumer was wrong in his memo?
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Again, the only country that DIDNT comply was the USA, as we just pulled out.
Iran is complying, Pompeo said it, our generals said it, our allies said it.
So you do understand that you’re literally lying right now, correct?
This isn’t a liberal response. It’s a fact. Iran is in compliance, and yet we scrapped a deal where all parties involved were honoring the agreement.
^^^ those are facts. You are wrong, misinformed, and now are blatantly lying.
Or using your logic, a typical conservative response.
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Again, the only country that DIDNT comply was the USA, as we just pulled out.
Iran is complying, Pompeo said it, our generals said it, our allies said it.
So you do understand that you’re literally lying right now, correct?
This isn’t a liberal response. It’s a fact. Iran is in compliance, and yet we scrapped a deal where all parties involved were honoring the agreement.
^^^ those are facts. You are wrong, misinformed, and now are blatantly lying.
Or using your logic, a typical conservative response. So now I'm lying. Riiiiiiight. Where did I say they weren't in compliance? More made up emotion from you to throw out to deflect from the point. Why do you repeatedly ignore the 24 day stipulation and how we should not trust the Iranian regime with a three and a half week heads up? That is a ridiculous term in the deal with that regime. That alone is a deal-breaker to me.
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And not to mention the fact that the missiles are a perfect delivery system for Nukes that Trump is trying to protect the world from the fanatical terror loving Iranian leaders are....but you are trying to debate people that seem to be pulling for IRAN GL to ya.
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Again, the only country that DIDNT comply was the USA, as we just pulled out.
Iran is complying, Pompeo said it, our generals said it, our allies said it.
So you do understand that you’re literally lying right now, correct?
This isn’t a liberal response. It’s a fact. Iran is in compliance, and yet we scrapped a deal where all parties involved were honoring the agreement.
^^^ those are facts. You are wrong, misinformed, and now are blatantly lying.
Or using your logic, a typical conservative response. So now I'm lying. Riiiiiiight. Where did I say they weren't in compliance? More made up emotion from you to throw out to deflect from the point. Why do you repeatedly ignore the 24 day stipulation and how we should not trust the Iranian regime with a three and a half week heads up? That is a ridiculous term in the deal with that regime. That alone is a deal-breaker to me. Its Deja Vu all over again .... just remember to go to there bible Willie ... The book of Saul ... Chapter 4 - How to spin a Fact into a Lie in 3 easy steps ... This ones so intricate it need an entire chapter .... the summary is .... how to take a factual statement from a conservative and spin it into a blatant lie with a straight face ... Text book bro ... One time in the only thread on a topic ... in the only post i made in the thread i asked a question ... after Swish with guidance from his hero Saul got through with it ... i defended a pedaphile and therefore I am a pedaphile ... Its really sad bro ... really really sad when its all said and done ..
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Willie, I'm not defending the deal or how it was structured. I'm saying Trump tore it up without a plan B and looks like a fool on the world stage because of it. He doesn't know why it was a bad deal or if it even really was a bad deal. He just knows he promised this to whip up the base at his rallies and backed out because his supporters hate everything Obama and Clinton ever did.
End of the day, Trump did not help the US one iota. I'm sorry your blind faith in him keeps you from seeing that and that there are so many Fox News talking points swirling around your head that the truth and reason have a tough time penetrating.
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Hey, if Bin Laden was still alive, he'd give him back. Because you know, Obama caught him.
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Emotion?
Who pulled out of the deal, WSU?
Who was complying with the agreement, WSU?
Nothing about that is emotional.
You know who is emotional? You.
I mean look at what you’re attempting to argue. Your argument is based on the idea that Iran MIGHT not comply.
not that they aren’t complying. Not that they have complied, but that they MIGHT not comply....despite the FACTS stating they are.
You and Diam are the only ones not using facts and using emotion to draw your points.
YOU stated that they can’t be trusted. Not me. DESPiTE the fact that they honored the agreement!
Again, I didn’t make anything up. I’m not lying. You are.
Your whole premise for supporting trump ending this agreement is “well, they can’t be trusted, even though they are honoring the agreement, so we’re gonna pull out anywaydespite the lack of evidence to support my argument”
The more you post the more evidence you give me to support my opinion of you.
Clueless.
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Hey, if Bin Laden was still alive, he'd give him back. Because you know, Obama caught him. Basically this. Using WSU’s logic, we should all leave our wives. they MIGHT cheat, but even though there’s no evidence to support it, we’re gonna go ahead and get divorced anyway.
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Why would people trust their evil wife!?
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It’s either that or get stabbed while you’re taking a shower.
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Hey, if Bin Laden was still alive, he'd give him back. Because you know, Obama caught him. Basically this. Using WSU’s logic, we should all leave our wives. they MIGHT cheat, but even though there’s no evidence to support it, we’re gonna go ahead and get divorced anyway. If you caught your wife cheating on you repeatedly throughout your marriage, would you trust her not to cheat again? If you then went to counseling and as part of your treaty she agreed to let you check her phone for evidence of cheating...would you give her 24 days heads up that you were going to check the phone? AFTER first talking it through with her also-chearing best friend? There is much logic and common sense in here...it's not hard to see.
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So Iran hasn't chested on the agreement so you've decided to compare it to a person who has cheated several times. Hmmmm....
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Willie, I'm not defending the deal or how it was structured. I'm saying Trump tore it up without a plan B and looks like a fool on the world stage because of it. He doesn't know why it was a bad deal or if it even really was a bad deal. He just knows he promised this to whip up the base at his rallies and backed out because his supporters hate everything Obama and Clinton ever did.
End of the day, Trump did not help the US one iota. I'm sorry your blind faith in him keeps you from seeing that and that there are so many Fox News talking points swirling around your head that the truth and reason have a tough time penetrating. You repeatedly make my point. You have no idea whether he has a plan B...you have no idea what he does and does not know about the deal. You are making up your own "facts"...then using those made-up "facts" to support your argument. I bet you see nothing wrong with the Steele dossier. He made the campaign promise he made because everyone - including Chuck Schumer - knew it was a very bad deal. The he followed up on his campaign promise...oh the horror. Then in your flimsy closing statement, you attack me. I think the citizens of this country have caught on to that shtick and have rejected it.
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So Iran hasn't chested on the agreement so you've decided to compare it to a person who has cheated several times. Hmmmm.... No...I'm saying that a lying, cheating regime will likely lie and cheat again...especially if given 24 days to cover it up.
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Lmfao my god you really are clueless.
Hold on, lemme swap that around cause I’m not trying to go back to DT prison.
You make a lot of head scratching post this gives off the impression of you being clueless.
Don’t suspend me, refs.
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Could you explain what they lied and cheated us about please?
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So Iran hasn't chested on the agreement so you've decided to compare it to a person who has cheated several times. Hmmmm.... No...I'm saying that a lying, cheating regime will likely lie and cheat again...especially if given 24 days to cover it up. Edit: I need to stop lmao
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Emotion?
Who pulled out of the deal, WSU?
Who was complying with the agreement, WSU?
Nothing about that is emotional.
You know who is emotional? You.
I mean look at what you’re attempting to argue. Your argument is based on the idea that Iran MIGHT not comply.
not that they aren’t complying. Not that they have complied, but that they MIGHT not comply....despite the FACTS stating they are.
You and Diam are the only ones not using facts and using emotion to draw your points.
YOU stated that they can’t be trusted. Not me. DESPiTE the fact that they honored the agreement!
Again, I didn’t make anything up. I’m not lying. You are.
Your whole premise for supporting trump ending this agreement is “well, they can’t be trusted, even though they are honoring the agreement, so we’re gonna pull out anywaydespite the lack of evidence to support my argument”
The more you post the more evidence you give me to support my opinion of you.
Clueless. 24 days before a "surprise" inspection...approval of China and Russia before being granted the surprise inspection. You must resort to deflection and name-calling because you must see what a bad provision those are in the deal and you have no rebuttal to those provisions. Tell me why 24 days? Why must Russia & China sign off? Who agreed to THAT?
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So Iran hasn't chested on the agreement so you've decided to compare it to a person who has cheated several times. Hmmmm.... No...I'm saying that a lying, cheating regime will likely lie and cheat again...especially if given 24 days to cover it up. 24 days to clean up? You can clean up uranium that fast? I'm not briefed on such things...but that seemed to be an issue with Chuck Shumer...who likely IS briefed on such things. Why not 24 hours?
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Lmfao my god you really are clueless.
Hold on, lemme swap that around cause I’m not trying to go back to DT prison.
You make a lot of head scratching post this gives off the impression of you being clueless.
Don’t suspend me, refs. It seems like every debate we've ever gotten into results/ends in you assaulting me? Gee...I wonder why?
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Lmfao my god you really are clueless.
Hold on, lemme swap that around cause I’m not trying to go back to DT prison.
You make a lot of head scratching post this gives off the impression of you being clueless.
Don’t suspend me, refs. It seems like every debate we've ever gotten into results/ends in you assaulting me? Gee...I wonder why? Assaulting you? What?
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Could you explain what they lied and cheated us about please? No. If you don't see it at this point, I'll never convince you otherwise. Neither you nor Swish can defend the ridiculous inspection provisions that alarmed Chuck Schumer...so you must turn the argument...and when in desperation...attack the other party.
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WSU, look up how long you can detect uranium, either enriched or depleted.
Get back to me.
Then, I want you look up the actual process on how the 24 days work.
It’s not AFTER 24 days, it’s within 24 days. There’s a process.
Because you’re still proving you don’t know the basics of this deal.
Like, at all. Clueless.
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So now your beef is with the 24day inspection window?
I’m sorry but everything you’re posting is a complete joke.
Iran is complying with the agreement. Yes or no?
The US is the one who didn’t honor the agreement by pulling out. Yes or no?
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Hold on, lemme swap that around cause I’m not trying to go back to DT prison.
You make a lot of head scratching post this gives off the impression of you being clueless.
Don’t suspend me, refs. It seems like every debate we've ever gotten into results/ends in you assaulting me? Gee...I wonder why? Assaulting you? What? Really? You've accused me of being a liar. You've opined that I'm clueless...more than once. You've dodged the point regarding the inspections. You think you answered...but asking another question does not equal answering.
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I called you a liar because you lied.
I called you clueless because you are.
And I answered your question about the inspection.
Funny that the anti pc poster is mad that I’m not being PC. Buy an apartment in trump tower if you need a safe space.
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So you can't point to where Iran lied to us or cheated us as you claimed. Got it.
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So now your beef is with the 24day inspection window?
I’m sorry but everything you’re posting is a complete joke.
Iran is complying with the agreement. Yes or no?
The US is the one who didn’t honor the agreement by pulling out. Yes or no? Do you know more about the terms of the deal than Chuck Schumer? Why did Schumer go into so much detail about what was bad in the deal? Why did he have so much angst about the inspection provisions? Yes...Iran is in compliance today. I don't care that they "might" stay in compliance and I don't trust them to do what they promise to do. We are not debating that fact....where did I say they are not? Yes...the U.S pulled out of the deal. Once again, we are not debating that fact...wher am I saying we did not?
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So you can't point to where Iran lied to us or cheated us as you claimed. Got it. You are free to trust them. I am thankful that the POTUS does not.
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I called you a liar because you lied.
I called you clueless because you are.
And I answered your question about the inspection.
Funny that the anti pc poster is mad that I’m not being PC. Buy an apartment in trump tower if you need a safe space. Lying and a difference of opinion are not the same thing. Being clueless and a difference of opinion are not the same thing. Mad at you? No...you aren't anywhere near important-enough for me to expend that kind of energy. You trust the Iranian leaders to keep to their word...I do not. Your weak name-calling won't change that.
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So you can't point to where Iran lied to us or cheated us as you claimed. Got it. You are free to trust them. I am thankful that the POTUS does not. I didn't say that I trusted them. I didn't say I was happy with the deal. I simply asked you to back up a statement you made during the conversation. Your claim was that Iran had lied and cheated us. So far you've done nothing to substantiate that claim.
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Pit, I’m simply trying to figure out he alternative.
Cause it sounds like a whole lot of people would rather go to war with Iran over this.
And a lot of people seem to demonstrate that they don’t know what ‘sovereign state’ means.
Because a lot of people seem to have his idea that we can just bully anybody to do whatever the hell we want them to do.
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