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Pit, I’m simply trying to figure out he alternative.
Cause it sounds like a whole lot of people would rather go to war with Iran over this.
And a lot of people seem to demonstrate that they don’t know what ‘sovereign state’ means.
Because a lot of people seem to have his idea that we can just bully anybody to do whatever the hell we want them to do. It's pretty obvious that none of them really think it through beyond "Obama v. Trump". They're salivating over the prospect of an Iran deal with N Korea while lauding the country reneging on the exact same deal established with Iran. It's more or less professional wrestling as they're concerned.
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Pit, I’m simply trying to figure out he alternative.
Cause it sounds like a whole lot of people would rather go to war with Iran over this.
And a lot of people seem to demonstrate that they don’t know what ‘sovereign state’ means.
Because a lot of people seem to have his idea that we can just bully anybody to do whatever the hell we want them to do. It's pretty obvious that none of them really think it through beyond "Obama v. Trump". They're salivating over the prospect of an Iran deal with N Korea while lauding the country reneging on the exact same deal established with Iran. It's more or less professional wrestling as they're concerned. So Trump hasn't even met KJU yet and you know what the new deal will be? Got it. How does opposing a state like IRAN getting nukes equate to wanting war with them?
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How does opposing a state like IRAN getting nukes equate to wanting war with them?
BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAD A DEAL STOPPING THEM FROM GETTING NUKES!!! do you not understand that? it was ALREADY taken care of!!! my god, dude. the BEST argument you guys ever have is that it wasn't a good agreement. in foreign policy, there is RARELY a good agreement. iran is a sovereign state. do you understand that? they dont have to agree to ANYTHING. we have no control over Iran, or they would've never had the ability to even create a program in the first place!! use your damn brain. seriously, talking about this topic is infuriating with people who have no idea how the world works around them. just look back at your post, WSU. your best arguments, which weren't even good ones to begin with, was that iran MIGHT not comply with the agreement. weak, because they already are, and were, and there was no evidence to suggest they werent in the future. then, your next weak argument was about the 24 day inspection. nevermind the fact that their facilities are under 24/7 surveillance, nevermind the fact that its WITHIN 24 days, not AFTER 24 days. so your best - but still pathetic - is the inspection timeline? so why not try to renegotiate the inspection date? or are you sitting there saying that because of that, the ENTIRE deal needed to be scrapped? because if you are, then i truly am scared for the direction of our country. because we truly have some....interesting people amongst our population, and i dont mean that in a good way. dude...you and trump and all the other guys just...man i dunno what to say anymore. thats sad. it really is sad. especially because you CLEARLY ignored, or wasn't aware of the fact that we had guys like Senator cotton who WANTED to bomb iran over this, who wants to go to war over this. thats where my comments about the alternative comes from. WSU, you clearly aren't paying attention, and obviously neither is Trump.
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man, if we go to war with iran or in the middle east again, there's 60 million trump supporters who needs to be put on the front lines.
we actually had a diplomatic solution that the WORLD agreed on, but trump supporters went nope!! bombs and bullets!!
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Iran is in compliance...until they are not. We cannot let them get nukes. I don't trust that they will remain in compliance and IMO the deal should have never existed in the first place. I'm siding with Chuck Schumer's thorough and detailed account of why it was a bad deal.
BTW, where have I lied? Still waiting.
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So you are taking the view of Shurmer over Defense Secretary Jim Mattis and Chief of Staff John Kelly? I would have never expected that.
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your distrust with iran with regards to this deal is based on zero evidence.
then on top of that, you haven't explained why the 24 timeline is bad, and then on top of that, you haven't provided any sort of proof to back up your claim that iran will not honor this agreement.
thats called lies. you're sitting there making claims with zero evidence.
evidence that has been asked of you by another poster as well, which you STILL haven't provided.
and as Pit just said, you're rolling with chuck over Mattis, pompeo, and others?
i dont EVER want to hear you say a word about the dems, seeing as you're willing to hook your wagon to a democrat.
all your post trashing liberals and dems...lmfao. you cant be taken seriously.
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imma post this again.
How does opposing a state like IRAN getting nukes equate to wanting war with them?
BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAD A DEAL STOPPING THEM FROM GETTING NUKES!!! do you not understand that? it was ALREADY taken care of!!! my god, dude. the BEST argument you guys ever have is that it wasn't a good agreement. in foreign policy, there is RARELY a good agreement. iran is a sovereign state. do you understand that? they dont have to agree to ANYTHING. we have no control over Iran, or they would've never had the ability to even create a program in the first place!! use your damn brain. seriously, talking about this topic is infuriating with people who have no idea how the world works around them. just look back at your post, WSU. your best arguments, which weren't even good ones to begin with, was that iran MIGHT not comply with the agreement. weak, because they already are, and were, and there was no evidence to suggest they werent in the future. then, your next weak argument was about the 24 day inspection. nevermind the fact that their facilities are under 24/7 surveillance, nevermind the fact that its WITHIN 24 days, not AFTER 24 days. so your best - but still pathetic - is the inspection timeline? so why not try to renegotiate the inspection date? or are you sitting there saying that because of that, the ENTIRE deal needed to be scrapped? because if you are, then i truly am scared for the direction of our country. because we truly have some....interesting people amongst our population, and i dont mean that in a good way. dude...you and trump and all the other guys just...man i dunno what to say anymore. thats sad. it really is sad. especially because you CLEARLY ignored, or wasn't aware of the fact that we had guys like Senator cotton who WANTED to bomb iran over this, who wants to go to war over this. thats where my comments about the alternative comes from. WSU, you clearly aren't paying attention, and obviously neither is Trump. so whats your alternative? WSU? you're doing all this whining. what would WSU have done that iran would agree to? we're all waiting.
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anybody, please.
what would you have done?
i want a detailed breakdown. lets go.
and then, after the breakdown, would, and why would iran agree to your terms?
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They don't have an alternative.
They're literally hooting and oinking over a manchild who never bothered tolearn the first thing about the deal was pulling out because he was jealous and angry that a black guy or to be president.
To them it's Hulk Hogan vs. Andre the Giant. They don't see it or think it any further than that.
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They don't have an alternative.
They're literally hooting and oinking over a manchild who never bothered tolearn the first thing about the deal was pulling out because he was jealous and angry that a black guy or to be president. They just want to go to war. You can smell the desperation on their breath.
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psssst .... there allowed certain levels of uranium so they dont have to get it to zero ... they have to get to the maximum allowable level while getting rid of the equipment there not suppose to have ... 24 days gives them a lot more wiggle room than say UPON DEMAND ... witch is all that makes sense based on there history .... U asked them WHY NOT 24 HOURS .... Those 4 simple words DESTROY ALL THEIR BS ... I wouldn’t wait up for an answer to that one ... i’ll give u the reference form the book of Saul after they respond ... its a big book ...  ...
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Psss ... it does not STOP them from getting nukes .. it DELAYED them ... Swish either doesn't understand the difference between STOP and DELAY ... OR He’s lying through his teeth ... Hmmmm .... U make the call ... 
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psssst .... there allowed certain levels of uranium so they dont have to get it to zero ... they have to get to the maximum allowable level while getting rid of the equipment there not suppose to have ... 24 days gives them a lot more wiggle room than say UPON DEMAND ... witch is all that makes sense based on there history .... U asked them WHY NOT 24 HOURS .... Those 4 simple words DESTROY ALL THEIR BS ... I wouldn’t wait up for an answer to that one ... i’ll give u the reference form the book of Saul after they respond ... its a big book ... ... What was the limits imposed on Saddam that the Heritage Foundation trotted out as an argument in 2002 while every single entity concerned with nuclear and chemical weapons said they were compliant? I could be wrong, but I believe it was 90 days. Every single entity in the world whose concern is focused mainly on the eradication of nuclear weapons - with the exception of the U.S. and Israel (who aren't, obviously) - has issued full and comprehensive reports of full cooperation. The only dissenting opinions come from Bibi, who recently held a press conference to announce Iranian betrayal via a PowerPoint presentation that said "Iran lied", and the U.S., whose current leader is an elderly man who spends all day yelling on Twitter about morning show host's facelifts. There's nothing to back up your argument but AM Radio and Heritage Foundati N rhetoric.
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anybody, please.
what would you have done?
i want a detailed breakdown. lets go.
and then, after the breakdown, would, and why would iran agree to your terms? We’ll get right on it ... i mean whats fair is fair and u answer our questions after all .... ... That ones easy ... I know I wouldn’t have taken one sanction off or given them one dime until they actually PROVED THEY WERE DENUKING ... It would have taken a hell of a lot more than a signature ... Can u answer the 24 hour question now .. i know its a toughie .... ...
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anybody, please.
what would you have done?
i want a detailed breakdown. lets go.
and then, after the breakdown, would, and why would iran agree to your terms? We’ll get right on it ... i mean whats fair is fair and u answer our questions after all .... ... That ones easy ... I know I wouldn’t have taken one sanction off or given them one dime until they actually PROVED THEY WERE DENUKING ... It would have taken a hell of a lot more than a signature ... Can u answer the 24 hour question now .. i know its a toughie .... ... Diam's entire posting style is repeating things he's heard from whatever AM afternoon drive show he gets his news in the grammatical style Prince (with a healthy dose of laugh emojis), and then pretending like he's on a higher plane of thinking that others just can't comprehend. From Brady Quinn to Donald Trump, "U....just...don't...get...it...BRO [5 laugh face emojis]"
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My favorite part of pulling out of the Iran Deal is now I get to say, "Obama Legacy", "What Legacy?" Did this guy ever even exist?
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Uranium has a half life of a couple billion years. You'll be able to discover where it's been at 24 hours, 24 days, 24 weeks or 24 years later. What does the US have to give up to be able to test any site within 24 hours?
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My favorite part of pulling out of the Iran Deal is now I get to say, "Obama Legacy", "What Legacy?" Did this guy ever even exist? 40 isn't wrong here. End of the day, "Obama Legacy" won't be anything more than "caused the elderly racist pervert who used to call "Fox & Friends" to tell made up stories about his Hawaiian investigators to get elected president". Most of what Obama did was either heinous, wiped away with the stroke of a pen, or unconcerned with everyday Americans or downballot elections.
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and as Pit just said, you're rolling with chuck over Mattis, pompeo, and others?
i dont EVER want to hear you say a word about the dems, seeing as you're willing to hook your wagon to a democrat.
all your post trashing liberals and dems...lmfao. you cant be taken seriously. The difference between people like you and people like me is that I "hook my wagon" to ideas, common sense, logic, etc. I don't hook my wagon to liberals or democrats or conservatives. When a liberal comes up with an idea, I read about it and determine what I believe. What I've pointed out in this thread - and what you have demonstrated - is the typical liberal debate tactics. I've not declared liberals as incapable of good ideas. However, I've seen all too many times the debate tactics of the angry liberal...it's so predictable and has been demonstrated in this thread over and over again. I've not lied and you've not proven that I have...you just disagree...so I must be lying. I have a different opinion so I must be unknowing. I don't and didn't trust Iran...you do. A bad deal is dead and I'm happy about that.
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So, you dont like Obama, or Trump. Who do you like?
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anybody, please.
what would you have done?
i want a detailed breakdown. lets go.
and then, after the breakdown, would, and why would iran agree to your terms? still waiting. again, i'm not the one who has a problem with the deal. yall are. so what would you do?
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The difference between people like you and people like me is that I "hook my wagon" to ideas, common sense, logic, etc. It's always the people who think Trump is even borderline competent that are the first to pull out the pushing-taped-up-glasses-up Ben Shapiro/Steve Urkel "hmmm, I deal in facts, sir" You kind of gave up the "logic and facts" gave when you threw your weight behind a dumb racist creep who barely understands what's happening around him. Just embrace your reactionary nature, dude.
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My favorite part of pulling out of the Iran Deal is now I get to say, "Obama Legacy", "What Legacy?" Did this guy ever even exist? 40 isn't wrong here. End of the day, "Obama Legacy" won't be anything more than "caused the elderly racist pervert who used to call "Fox & Friends" to tell made up stories about his Hawaiian investigators to get elected president". Most of what Obama did was either heinous, wiped away with the stroke of a pen, or unconcerned with everyday Americans or downballot elections. And...double down on the outrageous claims that derails the debate. Awesome.
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The difference between people like you and people like me is that I "hook my wagon" to ideas, common sense, logic, etc. It's always the people who think Trump is even borderline competent that are the first to pull out the pushing-taped-up-glasses-up Ben Shapiro/Steve Urkel "hmmm, I deal in facts, sir" You kind of gave up the "logic and facts" gave when you threw your weight behind a dumb racist creep who barely understands what's happening around him. Just embrace your reactionary nature, dude. Are you capable of making a point without insulting someone along the way?
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And...double down on the outrageous claims that derails the debate. Awesome. What claim did you find outrageous, specifically?
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anybody, please.
what would you have done?
i want a detailed breakdown. lets go.
and then, after the breakdown, would, and why would iran agree to your terms? still waiting. again, i'm not the one who has a problem with the deal. yall are. so what would you do? You replied to yourself...but I assume you are pointing at me or Diam. I wouldn't have changed anything with Iran until they demonstrated that they were worthy of change. What prompted the negotiations in the first place?
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And...double down on the outrageous claims that derails the debate. Awesome. What claim did you find outrageous, specifically? I quoted your post in my reply. This isn't difficult.
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anybody, please.
what would you have done?
i want a detailed breakdown. lets go.
and then, after the breakdown, would, and why would iran agree to your terms? still waiting. again, i'm not the one who has a problem with the deal. yall are. so what would you do? You replied to yourself...but I assume you are pointing at me or Diam. I wouldn't have changed anything with Iran until they demonstrated that they were worthy of change. What prompted the negotiations in the first place? so you would've let them develop nukes then?
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I wouldn't have changed anything with Iran until they demonstrated that they were worthy of change. What prompted the negotiations in the first place?
Do you believe that the election of Rouhani showed the characteristics of a defining shift from the previous regime? If not, why exactly is that? Saying you can't trust Iran, isn't an answer.
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My favorite part of pulling out of the Iran Deal is now I get to say, "Obama Legacy", "What Legacy?" Did this guy ever even exist? At least you are honest about that.
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Uranium has a half life of a couple billion years. You'll be able to discover where it's been at 24 hours, 24 days, 24 weeks or 24 years later. What does the US have to give up to be able to test any site within 24 hours? For those of you who are confused why 24 hours is a meaningless timeline.
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so your asking a question with a question.
and now have confirmed that WSU has ran off because he has no answers for how he would handle iran and the nuclear program situation.
i'm guessing WSU lives with you too.
and i've already answered his 24 day question. he doesnt like the deal AT ALL.
so, what would you do differently?
notice how you, WSU, 40, and others haven't actually told us what you would do, despite being against the agreement?
so what agreement would you make? or are you like some of your GOP leadership and just want to bomb them?
you can do the dance all you want, but its only you and him who are looking stupid right now.
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and as Pit just said, you're rolling with chuck over Mattis, pompeo, and others?
i dont EVER want to hear you say a word about the dems, seeing as you're willing to hook your wagon to a democrat.
all your post trashing liberals and dems...lmfao. you cant be taken seriously. I don't hook my wagon to liberals or democrats or conservatives. When a liberal comes up with an idea, I read about it and determine what I believe. What I've pointed out in this thread - and what you have demonstrated - is the typical liberal debate tactics. I've not declared liberals as incapable of good ideas. However, I've seen all too many times the debate tactics of the angry liberal...it's so predictable and has been demonstrated in this thread over and over again. I've not lied and you've not proven that I have...you just disagree...so I must be lying. I have a different opinion so I must be unknowing. I don't and didn't trust Iran...you do. A bad deal is dead and I'm happy about that. Sorry Willie but you come in defending Trump with talking points that are nowhere to be found other than Fox News... How did you think liberals would react. We've heard how all of our news and our investigative reporters are FAKE NEWS, and how we are too smart snowflakes crying tears for so long that we just react to you like another cancer cell. I see exactly what you are saying and understand that you wholeheartedly believe it. But in our view you have been lied to and mislead, or are aware you were lied to and have no issues perpetuating that lie. Simple as that. There is nothing more uncommon than common sense. - Frank Lloyd Wright
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But if its allowed to be there anyway ... your going to detect it ... how do know what levels were theres 23 and a half days ago ... oh wait .. i forgot .. THEY’LL TELL US there self inspecting ... problem solved ... silly me ... ... And if its no biggie ... Why is even 24 hours needed if your doing nothing wrong? ... why could u possibly need 24 days ... Thats the question none of u lefties will touch with a 10’ pole ... But keep babbling on about being able to detect uranium after 24 years ... even though its meaningless ...
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ummm.. But if its allowed to be there anyway ... your going to detect it ... how do know what levels were theres 23 and a half days ago ok.... But keep babbling on about being able to detect uranium after 24 years ... even though its meaningless ... uranium can be detected for quite some time(years, decades) , so they would obviously be able to tell if uranium was in another location in 24 days.
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It was 24 hours not 24 days there rainman ...
Later bro ...
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he was complaining about 24 days. please go read the thread again when WSU and i started the convo.
as usual you're oblivious to whats going on around you.
have a good day, tell 40 i said hi and you need to help him clean his room before mom gets home.
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