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What?

Did you guys go to history class that day?

j/c:

Cavs are a 6.5 pt. favorite. I think the Cavs come out strong, feed off of the crowd's energy, and cover the spread.

I'm hoping Lue starts TT and spells him w/Nance. I don't want Love at the 5.

I'm hoping that JR gets hot, but if he doesn't, I want Korver and Clarkson to get his minutes.

We need a bit more from Green. He needs to play well enough to let Love get some rest. I want to stay big up front, because I think it forces Boston to put Tatum on one of those guys and we should be able to exploit that.

The reason we got spanked is more complicated than that. Yes, we went through a stretch where nobody could make a shot (sometimes this happens).. however, this in turn led to our defense and intensity going cold and allowing the Celtics to score with ease... which caused their defensive intensity to increase which led to a bunch of stupid turnovers... we also never changed anything up on offense, we didn't try to get to the rim, we just continued to run down the shot clock and then force a bad shot from 3 in hopes that things would change.

We did NOTHING that good teams do to pull themselves out of a shooting slump or at least survive it until the shots start to fall again...

I watched Boston guys WIDE OPEN , all by themselves , having all day to shoot ..

I completely agree with you. When you are struggling to shoot the ball, you need to get your confidence up. Attack the rim! Instead we start launching contested off balance threes like they are going out of style.

That's the thing... who do we have that can attack the rim? LBJ is our only person that can 1-on-1 (or one vs the whole defense) and get the job done. I mean Hill was guarded by their center, drove him and still got blocked. How is that happening? A PG should be able to drive on a center one vs one... pathetic.

Outrunning them is an option. Transition scoring. Contest every rebound. Most of those missed threes are gifts, because didna have to chase or work, and they are turnovers. Not every shot will be blocked, so stack up the fouls on them. It is OK to drill inside. Coming to a dead stop on offense so you rush a showboat shot is dumb. Loo needs to get folks with hustle out there to run them harder.

Go Cavs!

Cavs have been to three straight NBA Finals. They have won a championship. They are in the Eastern Conference Finals despite the claims that they wouldn't make it out of the first round. The Browns have won one game in two years. Yet somehow, the Cavs are "trash" and "soft" while the Browns are good.

Sometimes I think Cleveland fans get what they deserve. And when LeBron leaves, this team is going to be in the lottery each and every year again.

I want to enjoy our successes w/this team, but all I read is negative BS that is lead by lead. The fun has been taken out of it.

Don't let it bother you. He's predicted a playoff loss in every series since 2015. If everything's as bad as he says it's been, you have to wonder why he even watches the games. I'll bet he's just a hoot to see a game with in person, lol.

I hear you. This should be fun. We're in the playoffs, but the Cavs' threads are so freaking negative. I understand criticism, but man, the team is not "trash." I can't quite verbalize what I want to. Not sure why. I just think being in the playoffs should be a fun time.

this team is trash, outside of LBJ they have nothing to compete.. lebron got this team to where its at, there is no "team" they are a lottery team without lebron, so no, they aren't fun to watch and i haven't watched a full game this series yet because they are so unbearable to watch..Nothing fun about whats been going on..Alot more feel like me than you so boohoo.

j/c

to me as a basketball fan, this team is literally zero fun to watch. Lebron is fun obviously, but the other guys and the way they play is not basketball.

it's one guy dribbling, 4 guys waiting for a kickout 3 near the end of the shot clock. No offensive rebounding, no cutting, ball movement, etc. It's pretty painful to watch.

I fully agree with this take on the Cavs threads. I mentioned this here and there over last couple years that if all you did was read the Cavs thread you would think we were the worst team in the league not in the finals each of those seasons.

At some point you have to get off your high horses and enjoy that this team has been a constant finals team. After all you will have plenty of time to wallow in your self righteous pity when there is no LeBron and we suffer through another 15 or so years of mediocrity post Daugherty, Nance, and Price teams. I do not enjoy the recent games with the Celtics but I for one have enjoyed the last few years of winning. Some things you can't take for granted.

JMHO

You do realize we had had the greatest player in the NBA for 11 years of his career, in his prime - and have only 1 championship to show for it? That is a disgrace. You may call it a success these years, but when you have Lebron, anything LESS than a championship, should be considered a failure.

You just said when Lebron leaves we are going to be picking in the lottery. That means this team is trash, outside of LeBron. That is why people are upset. We had a golden opportunity to WIN 3 or 4 ships, and Dan blew it, and has wasted Lebrons prime because of his ego.

How?

The team is extremely limited because of Lebron's salary. The NBA salary cap is $70 million, and Lebron makes half that. Kevin Love, who Lebron wanted/demanded we trade for, makes $22 million. That's almost the entire salary cap.

We have added big contracts, and Gilbert pays a huge tax every year to support the team around Lebron.

We then had Kyrie demand to get out of Lebron's shadow this past off-season. He wanted to be the star of his own team so badly that he threatened to have his surgery at the start of the season if he wasn't traded. He wound up doing so in Boston anyway.

In what way did Gilbert's ego get in the way?

I think Lebron's demanding to sign TT, JR and trade/sign for Love basically strapped us too much.

Dan blew it?? All he did was run the highest payroll in the NBA the last 3-4 years. A good chunk of the blame lies at Lebron's feet. He's the one that pushed for the Kevin Love deal, which cost us a few assets, including Wiggins. He rubbed Kyrie the wrong way enough that Kyrie asked for the first train out of town. He asked that guys like JR and Tristan Thompson get paid handsomely, and ended up tying up ridiculous amounts of cap space into those guys. He pushed for the "win now" trades which left us with the bare cupboard that we have now. And he also likely pushed David Blatt out the door making way for Ty Lue.

Yes, Lebron is probably one of the best players ever, but his demand for short term business decisions really kill the team's long term future.

not to mention his lack of commitment to us long term really put us in a bind

I legitimately wonder what this team would be like if Lebron wasn't involved. As good as he is, I don't know how much his desire to run everything through him and his demanding to win at all costs affects the team around him. I don't know if he rubs everyone the wrong way with his brand of leadership. I also don't know how much of it is Ty Lue or Lebron. I do know that Kyrie couldn't take it anymore and Kevin Love is dealing with anxiety attacks.

The best this team has looked was the first few days after the big trades in the Winter. The team's offense moved and so did the ball. We looked like a fun team again. But then we quickly moved back to the Lebron + 4 stuff that we normally see.

Without Lebron, we would have Kyrie and Wiggins. (and probably another high pick. We would have had roster flexibility as far as adding free agents.

However, we would not (most likely) have had 3 straight ECF, and a championship.

Grif and LeBron said not to trade kyrie, so dan fires grif and then trades kyrie. Let me know when dan has ever had a FO he hasn't fired after disagreeing with them. Dan is willing to spend whatever it takes, yes. But he needs to but out of the FO side of things.

Yes... may or may not have directed to me but I know my post are usually on the negative side.

I do want to be on record, although I may not always express it, that I think the Cavs team and their consistent playoff and final runs and etc is extremely admirable. I wear my Cavs gear that I've had each chance I can, although most are Hoodies and hats because the shirts always fade out after a few washes.

It wasn't directed at you. I think everyone knows who I am directing it towards. What kills me is how people follow his "lead."

The dude actually said he hoped Lue illness would flair up again so he couldn't coach. Are you freaking kidding me?!?! And only one dude {Punch] called him on it. Congrats to Punch!

I mean...........that's beyond sick! And if you don't like the team..........don't watch. Saying the team is "trash" 100s of times does what?

Let's win a game. Soon. LBJ will please himself. Despite astounding and historic numbers, he also hurts us as well at times. Proof of "Be careful what you wish for!"

I don't even read his stuff all the way through. It's not worth it.

I don't see us winning the EC Finals, and I am disappointed in darn near every aspect of the way they have played thus far against Boston. Hopefully they prove me wrong, but they have looked like an 8 seed playing a 1 thus far.

It's not over, bro.

It wasn't over a couple of years ago when most were trashing us when we lost the first two against GS. I stayed positive. It also wasn't over for Houston when they lost at Home against GS despite most saying they were done.

We gotta take these two at home and steal either game 5 or 7 at Boston. I'm not saying we will do that, but it's possible. I'm rooting for my home town team.

my main issues with lebron are what you state, getting deals for his buddies and clients, pushing out a much superior coach, and not committing long term so the FO can plan. The FO gave away first round picks like Molly at coachella. That hurt the long term planning and transition. Funny now that we are down all the BS coming out. Like a cavs player calling AInge a thief, the fact that Lue and Lebron didn't want to trade Kyrie and they wanted Jordan at the trade deadline. Though I agree with both of those. I think Deandre would be much more help then what we've gotten out of those players, but I understand why we traded for them. Whats funny is under Drew they all were playing loose and having fun.. The minute Lue comes back, the tone completely changed and noone played well.

Well ... for what it's worth ...... I have a feeling that Lue will not survive to coach next season in Cleveland.

No proof, just a gut feeling.

yeah win lose or draw I think Lue is done as well..He was exposed greatly this year. Defense is an issue and been progressively worse since he's been in the booster seat

Ummm. . .Start Drew tonight? Let Loo know he has had a relapse and will miss some time?

Tired of Smith yapping at length what we need in this series (hint: mostly offense, shrugs off defense). Did about the worst job out there (or Hill). Me ball and they stunk. Don't preach; produce. Just awfully hard to live with the indifference. Get them off the floor and put some folks out there who work harder. Speed up the play for TOP.

I have a feeling there will be very few guys returning for next season.

Lebron will leave
Lue will be fired
Love will be traded
Korver will be retired
ETC

if i trade love, i'd be looking to get one of those top picks, get 2 pieces for the rebuild

but which teams could afford him and would want him? it'd have to be a team that's "close"

depends if they think they can build around him. A decent coach could get alot more out of love than Lue has

Who's going to give up a top pick for Love? Most teams at the top of the draft are looking to rebuild themselves, not pick up nearly 30 year old big men.

we gave up 2 firsts for Mosgov and a first for korver.....

We were also picking in the 20's. That's not a top pick.

GO CELTICS Now before you get angry first and foremost I am a CLEVELAND BROWNS FAN who happens to be a Celtic fan. Last year when you whipped us I took it in stride, now we are up 2-0 but IMO this series is NOT over and if the Cav's were to come back and win it I will be rooting for them because I am a CLEVELAND fan except when they play the Celtics or the Indians play the Giants thats me ... I am looking forward to a good game tonight