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Just saw something that Buffalo to move to the 2nd pick from the Giants are offering as a starter both their first round picks this year, a second this year and their first round pick next year.

Supposedly they want Darnold.

I think both Darnold and Rosen are better projects than RGIII was, so that would be about right.

But the Giants are a superior organization so, they won't trade and they will draft Rosen and win some SB's with him.

Does anyone know anything about the projected talent coming out in next year's draft? How does it stack up to this year?

I know the QBs are as highly touted as this year (yet). Other than that I've got nothing other than the dude from Clemson being a beast.

I would not want to lose the 6th rounder... Flowers has been a complete bust.

Re-read the proposition.

Yes, I want their 2 and Flowers for our 4.

He was that bad.

Flowers is crap. Gave up the most QB pressures in 2016. Sucks on the field. Not only that, but dude is known for attitude, poor effort and etc problems in the locker room.

Truthfully I'd probably draft a lineman in very late rounds and be easily more happy to roll with them instead. If we were even reported interested, I'd raise a stink eye to it.

Danny Shelton adjusting to Patriots conditioning program

The Patriots acquired Danny Shelton to help fill a big hole in the middle of the defensive line.

He’s trying to become a little less big, however.

The former Cleveland first-rounder who was acquired in a March trade said he’s getting used to a more aggressive conditioning program, as he tries to get down to 335 pounds.

“My body’s adjusting to all the running, man,” Shelton said, via Phil Perry of NBC Sports Boston. “It’s pretty crazy. But I like it.”

Of course, Shelton has only been on one other team, but said he can tell a change in the Patriots program to the one he was used to. And after gaining weight this offseason, he’s working to get back into the kind of shape he wants to be in. The Patriots take pride in running the hill next to their practice fields, something he’s looking forward to.

“Just getting my mind ready for it,” Shelton said. “We haven’t gotten to that part. It is deceiving. It doesn’t look too tough. But just hearing from some of the guys, it’s not something you want to mess with.”

While he might not have lived up to expectations in Cleveland, he’s the kind of buy-low (he was acquired along with a fifth-round pick for a 2019 third) addition the Patriots have succeeded with in the past.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...ioning-program/

Shelton will probably do well in NE for one year, then be gone. We weren't going to re-sign him anyways IMO.

Wow. he's trying to get under 335. I thought he was supposed to have been in great shape last year, after losing all kinds of weight.

I guess his Twitter handle of "FeastMode" is not just for show.

Didn't Shelton supposedly improve his 'hand-fighting' abilities a few years ago by studying martial arts in the off-season?

his great shape was round haha

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/05/browns_finalizing_deal_to_send.html

Browns finalizing deal to send Jamar Taylor to Arizona Cardinals
Updated 1:08 PM; Posted 1:07 PM

By Mary Kay Cabot, cleveland.com
CLEVELAND, Ohio - The Browns are finalizing a deal to send defensive back Jamar Taylor to the Arizona Cardinals, cleveland.com has confirmed. Details on what the Browns will receive in return are not yet available.

Taylor, who started 15 games last season, popped up on the trading block during draft weekend, and was expendable now that the Browns have added No. 4 overall pick Denzel Ward, T.J. Carrie, E.J. Gaines and Terrance Mitchell.

The Browns also have Briean Boddy-Calhoun and others on the roster.

Taylor is under contract through 2019 and was due $4.525 million this year.

News of the trade was first reported by Ian Rappoport of NFL Network.

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Word has it we're getting a 6th rounder for Jamar Taylor

Report: Cardinals trading for cornerback Jamar Taylor

Posted by Darin Gantt on May 18, 2018, 1:04 PM EDT

The Browns bought defensive backs in bulk this offseason, and have stayed busy offloading the spare parts.

According to Ian Rapoport of the NFL Network, the Cardinals are finalizing a trade with the Browns for cornerback Jamar Taylor.

The Browns were shopping Taylor before and during the draft, but found no takers. But with the dust settled, team needs are coming into sharper focus.

The Cardinals turned over their secondary this offseason, cutting Tyrann Mathieu, with Justin Bethel and Tramon Williams joining him on the way out. They brought Bashaud Breeland in for a visit yesterday.

The Browns used their second first-rounder on cornerback Denzel Ward, and added free agents in bulk (T.J. Carrie, E.J. Gaines, Terrance Mitchell), while trading for Damarious Randall to move him to safety. They also traded their other previous starting corner Jason McCourty, making it a clean sweep

Getting anything is great. He wasn't going to make the team.

Agreed.

I wonder how the players feel about this. Traded for low value as opposed to being cut (and having the option to dictate where they want to go).


Dorsey's acquiring assets instead of nothing though, which is good.



My only question is, is Jamar Taylor actually worse than Terrance Mitchell? I mean, having read up on him, he's not supposed to be particularly good either. Taylor as a starting corner was not good, but i don't think he's as bad as he's being portrayed

Well as I said before, if he got traded or axed... it would not be a surprise to me.

Would have been a good trade for a ham sandwich.

If In read correctly, Taylor redid his contract for the Cardinals prior to the trade, reducing his 2018 salary.

If he didn't want to go to the team he is being traded to, he could have refused to redo his deal, but there are a lot of "decent" type CBs sitting at home waiting for the phone to ring.

Maybe, if he refuses the trade, the Cards go forward with Breeland, and Taylor is left out in the cold.

I would also say that Mitchell is probably a better backup/zone CB, who fits in sub defenses.

Also, (again) trading Taylor is much better for him than sitting on our roster, and not playing, or being the 4th or 5th corner.

It was painfully obvious that he did not fit Williams defense, so moving on from him is a good move.

j/c:

I think Taylor played well inside in 2016, but struggled outside in 2017. With the emergence of Boddy-Calhoun, the Carrie & Gaines' signing, Ward being drafted, and who knows where Howard Wilson stands, they're going young on CB and sees who rises to the top. I get the trade....It's a new regime, they have their own plans, he's not their guy. We've seen this countless times before.

I'll be interested to see what ARZ does with Taylor.

Yep, I Google his name to see if there's ever any updates or anything... and there isn't ever one. Last I know though he was on track for training camp.

reports on wilson were that he'll be full-go for TC

Browns claim Marcell Frazier off waivers
Posted by Josh Alper on May 18, 2018, 4:23 PM EDT

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The Browns are trading cornerback Jamar Taylor to the Cardinals in a move that opens up a spot on their roster.

They’ll be filling it with a player recently let go by the Seahawks. Field Yates of ESPN reports that the Browns have claimed defensive end Marcell Frazier off of waivers.

Frazier started 13 games at the University of Missouri last year and was named second-team All-SEC. He recorded 40 tackles, 15.5 tackles for loss and seven sacks in his final college season.

The Browns have Myles Garrett and Emmanuel Ogbah at the top of the depth chart at defensive end. Chris Smith, Carl Nassib and 2018 third-rounder Chad Thomas round out the group in Cleveland.

UPDATE 4:38 p.m. ET: The Browns announced Frazier’s acquisition. They also waived linebacker Austin Calitro.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/05/18/browns-claim-marcell-frazier-off-waivers/

Another rock turned over. This FO is not letting any moss grow under their feet...

The roster as it stands now gives a younger player a chance to make the team as the 6th CB/ST... And also #21 is now available for a certain rookie first round pick.

CB 6

1 (21?) Ward,
Denzel (R)
28 Gaines,
E.J.
39 Mitchell,
Terrance
38 Carrie,
T.J.
20 Boddy-Calhoun,
Briean
#6
33 Thomas,
Simeon (R) DB^ 
24 Wilson,
Howard^ 
36 Smith,
Derron DB
37 Rice,
Denzel
41Jordan,
Mike DB

Safety 4

22 Peppers,
Jabrill
23 Randall,
Damarious
26 Kindred,
Derrick

43 Campbell, DB
Elijah (udfa)
30 Meander,
Montrel (udfa)
35 Hannemann,
Micah (udfa)
25 Sankoh,
Tigie DB

yeah, Ward will be 21 now it appears

We got little for him, so it must have been a bargain for somebody. Personally, I am glad he is gone.

Next man up!

Go, Browns!

They should have cut Howard Wilson and kept Jamar Taylor, I think the team would have had more of a chance to win.

Why? We know how Taylor plays and his market value is a 6th rounder in 2020. Meanwhile we moved up for Howard and we have yet to see how he plays. The dude could be an unknown gem waiting to shine.

In my eyes, Howard Wilson and Channing Stribling were very similar players, Stribling got his chance to play and fail, simply because Wilson got injured.
You want to wait 2 years to see Howard Wilson isn't a good player, I think it's already evident.

Jamar Taylor has started and made plays in the NFL, he's more experienced and talented and the better player, but the Browns waived/traded him for nothing.

And a 6th, not even next year, but 2 years from now, that really is nothing.

When that 6th round pick is made in 2020, Who knows who will be the HC, Owner, GM, Off Coord, or Def. Coord.
2 years from now, a 6th, which won't even probably make the roster except to replace somebody who is better because the Browns can't pay market value for players.

You can't knock on Wilson because the only thing we know, well few things, is he didn't need surgery but obviously missed it all and the second is the last word on him is being ready for camp.

well that makes sense, Wilson will bust because Stribling did.

I don't like the jamar taylor trade at all. I mean he was a team captain but now he is garbage? Doesn't make much sense to me.

I think J Taylor is strictly a slot guy. We picked up new guys who are good slot CBs and BBC is a good slot CB. I wouldn't have traded him just yet...but we have a lot of guys at that spot and a stud rookie who just might start out there to get his feet wet.

That's pretty much how i see it as well.

Taylor is a good slot corner. On the outside, there's a lot to be desired. He gives up a lot of size.


But, like was said before, he probably was going to be cut anyway. I don't agree with cutting him, but if he was on the way out, a 6th round pick isn't that bad.


I imagine if Gregg Williams said he liked Jamar Taylor a lot, he might have stayed around. Maybe it was a culture thing. Sometimes things just don't match. So, if it's a 6th round pick or cutting him, i prefer the 6th round pick.

Do I think that Jamar Taylor might be better than whoever ends up being our #5, probably.

Eagles declined Nick Foles-Browns trade earlier this offseason

Shortly before the start of the league year, the Philadelphia Eagles turned down a potential trade that would have sent Super Bowl LII MVP Nick Foles to the Cleveland Browns for the 35th overall pick in the 2018 draft, according to three sources familiar with the talks.

Before rejecting the deal, two sources said, the Eagles ran the scenario by Foles, who said he preferred to remain in Philadelphia. In April, the Eagles and Foles agreed to a re-worked contract that gave him a $2 million bonus for 2018 and allowed him to earn up to $14 million in incentives, while creating a "mutual option" for him to remain with the team in 2019. (Basically, Foles is free to leave if he pays back the $2 million.)

The Browns, meanwhile, turned their attention to former Buffalo Bills starter Tyrod Taylor, who they acquired for a third-round pick on March 10. Cleveland later selected former Oklahoma star Baker Mayfield with the first overall pick of the draft, though coach Hue Jackson has declared that Taylor will be his unequivocal starter for 2018. With the 35th pick -- the second of their two second-rounders -- the Browns selected Georgia running back Nick Chubb.


The decision not to trade Foles reflected the Eagles' immense regard for his abilities, which were showcased during the team's NFC championship game blowout of the Minnesota Vikings and again in the epic Super Bowl triumph over the Patriots. It was also based on the uncertainty regarding the status of third-year franchise quarterback Carson Wentz, who tore his ACL in a December victory over the Los Angeles Rams and theoretically might not be ready for the team's Sept. 6 regular season opener against the Atlanta Falcons at Lincoln Financial Field -- though the team is optimistic that Wentz will be able to meet that timeline.

It's also possible that Foles could still be sent elsewhere before the start of the 2018 season, or at any point up to the Tuesday, Oct. 30 trade deadline.

Two Septembers ago, five days after Vikings starting quarterback Teddy Bridgewater suffered a severe knee injury in practice, the Eagles dealt starter Sam Bradford to Minnesota for first- and fourth-round picks -- a move that allowed Wentz, then a rookie, to ascend to the top of the depth chart just before the start of the regular season. If a similar scenario were to present itself this summer, the Eagles could possibly be open to parting with Foles, especially if they were offered a first-round pick in return.

It's also possible that Foles could be dealt shortly before the trade deadline, especially if Wentz has established that he is fully healthy. Last Oct. 30, the Patriots sent promising backup Jimmy Garoppolo to the 49ers for a second-round pick.

In the meantime, Foles remains the NFL's highest-profile backup quarterback -- a role with which he is clearly comfortable, given his preference that the Eagles reject the Browns' overtures.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...medium=referral