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sure, you can start with reversing the crap policies you white people made when it comes to parenting kids.
ya know, how yall basically made it a problem for people to spank their own kids.
or the white politicians who decided that drugging all of our kids just because they cant sit still is better than actually parenting the child to behave.
that came from your neck of the woods bro, and you damn well know it.
i wouldnt had normally made this post, but the crap ticks me off that minority parents always catch heat for gang violence and all this crap, but guys who look like you catch very little heat in comparison despite the fact that its your kids shooting up schools, bombing federal buildings and and out here throwing temper tantrums just because they dont get what they want.
i mean damn, another white kid shot up a school, and here's riley talking about MS 13?
explain that. because from my view, thats a complete deflection.
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Ya ... just like the wall won’t work ...  ... Its ONE STEP in the solution ... dude walked into school with a long coat and his rifle under that ... MAYBE one entry with a metal detector would have stopped that ... . Or you just lined up 20-200 kids for a psycho's shoot a duck carnival game.
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and its funny that Gage post that, but i've said the same damn thing before and everybody ignored me.
i've BEEN said that our own damn kids are more at risk of getting killed by fellow americans than our military members deployed overseas. but nobody wants to acknowledge that.
yall realize i've caught more heat from american cops than i did any where else in the world?
look at the gun deaths in this country. my life is literally more in danger in my own damn country than it is in iraq. how in the hell does that work?
im more likely to die by the hands of someone on this board than i am a terrorist.
and yall solution is to do nothing to protect our kids.
i mean a damn 17 year old got guns from his parents, yet the parents won't be held accountable for this.
DONT TAKE MY GUNS.
i dont have a responsibly to keep my guns locked up and secured....BUT DONT TAKE MY GUNS.
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It’ll decrease ... not sure it will ever be 100% gone until we completely harden our schools .. and right now no one really knows what that means ...
This is 3 with many deaths in the last 6 or 7 months and there were others that were thwarted or there was less casualties ...
Folks want to see some action on this ...
Man .. anyone in congress now that goes out and does a town hall before this election cycle is gonna GET DESTROYED on many issues and this one will be front and center ...
I bet no D’s or R’s do any town halls this election cycle ... if they do, it’ll be real ugly ...
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U can do anything u want no matter how wrong it is ... I can only speak for myself ... i don’t represent the entire white population ... theres a lot of them here and its a wide range of thoughts and ideas ... one might even say diverse ... My thoughts on your racist BS ... cause thats what it is .. RACIST BS in the fact u lump all white people together ... - i’m all for SPANKING kids ... now go ahead and turn that into beating them ... i think u actually called me a child beating lush recently ... and then u dissapeared ... hmmmm ... and u said u triggered me ...  ... - i am 1000000% against ridalin or any type of “calming down/focusing” drugs for a kid ... I’m all for discipline regardless .. but when the alternative is turning the kid into a zombie to help him focus or to calm him down .. no thanks ... actually .. NOT A SHOT IN HELL ... U know i was thinking this morning ... why is it that white people are almost always and maybe even 100% responsible for the mass gun shootings not done on behalf of foriegn based terrorist groups .... I actually just thought that this morning ... we actually agree on that ... its scary and i wonder why ... As far as why Riley said what he did ... why dont u go ahead and ask him ... I have no clue ... If u want to discuss this with me, i’m game ... if u want to continue to make me defend all white people, i’m out .. Enjoy your day either way dawg ...
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Ya ... just like the wall won’t work ... ... Its ONE STEP in the solution ... dude walked into school with a long coat and his rifle under that ... MAYBE one entry with a metal detector would have stopped that ... . Or you just lined up 20-200 kids for a psycho's shoot a duck carnival game. Thats a good point ... do we work out a solution for that or just scrap it cause its to hard ... We can figure something out ...
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The fact is, those most responsible for drugging our children and are against spanking are the same liberals Swish supports.
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A 16 year old was just shot and killed inside a courtroom in Columbus. The Franklin County Sheriff's Office says the shooting happened during a hearing for 16-year-old Joseph Haynes. He was charged with menacing with a firearm.
During the proceeding, they said Haynes and his family members got into an altercation with a deputy.
The deputy fired his gun, shooting Joseph Haynes in the abdomen.
"The deputy was knocked to the ground as part of that altercation, where he came under attack from some of the folks that were involved, family members, and one shot was fired," said Chief Rick Minerd.
Haynes died 35 minutes later at Grant Medical Center.
The deputy was taken to the hospital. The Sheriff's Office is only saying his injuries are not life-threatening.
The Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation is assisting the Sheriff's Office with this investigation.
As of Wednesday night no one else involved is in custody.
According to juvenile records obtained by 10 Investigates, Haynes was charged with aggravated menacing after he pointed a handgun at two people threatening to shoot them.
Haynes had already been declared a juvenile delinquent and was placed on probation and electronic monitoring earlier in the year after being caught with a concealed weapon in his shorts.
The weapon belonged to his mother.
In 2016, Haynes was charged with domestic violence for allegedly choking his own mother. The charges were later dropped at her request.
The story behind the comment used to deflect. Classic.
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Ya ... just like the wall won’t work ... ... Its ONE STEP in the solution ... dude walked into school with a long coat and his rifle under that ... MAYBE one entry with a metal detector would have stopped that ... . Or you just lined up 20-200 kids for a psycho's shoot a duck carnival game. Thats a good point ... do we work out a solution for that or just scrap it cause its to hard ... We can figure something out ... No, there is 100's of reasons why it wouldn't work. I just listed the bloodiest reason why it wouldn't. I think Ytown is more on the nail than anyone here.
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Also weird how the left won't even consider armed guards in the schools when the last couple of shootings were stopped by armed guards. Casualties limited. It works!
Now we have another case of no armed guards and everybody dies until police arrive!
SHAME! The school had armed security... I am getting tired of you comments. What is your solution? If you aren't going to make constructive comments, just pipe down.
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Look up my comments in the many school shooting threads we've had. Also, I'm sorry if correcting a lie isn't constructive in your narrative. I'm curious though, they did give you cuffs when you joined the PC police?
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why not?
people constantly post toward me as if i have to defend all black people.
dont get me started on when i first got here, people was grilling me as i was the one causing terrorist attacks because of my turkish background. that anarch2day or whatever his name was wouldn't shut up about it.
i only treat people on this board how i've been treated since day one.
i certainly hope Riley responds to why he decided to spin his way into an MS 13 discussion. he likes pulling disappearing acts, but to be fair i just made that comment and its sunday.
black people get lumped together all the time. so i'm sure you'd understand that i only fight fire with fire.
i'm only doing what white people do all the time. they CLAIM they only judge people as individuals, but as soon as something pops off, its "hey dont look at me, thats black people doing it".
one thing i've learned in life is that being the bigger person sounds good in theory, and looks good on a bumper sticker, but it rarely works in reality, especially at the domestic/local level.
i've never disappeared on any discussion with you, so the only other conclusion would be that i got another ban hammer dropped on me. i think i'm up to 8 this year already, certainly a record breaker.
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i have zero idea why it's white kids shooting up schools, and mainly white kids only.
now, i've said before that my school had all the metal detectors and checked bags and all that nonsense...but look at this specific case.
it appears that this kid started from the entrance of the school.
if thats the case, then it pretty much nullifies the whole "entrance metal detectors" thing because he methodically went into the school and was shooting. so in theory, even if there were metal detectors at this school, it wouldnt had stopped the shooting. i didn't read up on everything so i dunno how he started.
now, first thing to look at his how he got the weapons. so, he got the guns from his pops....how? did his father not lock up the weapons? or is this a case where the dad went "my kid wouldnt do anything like this".
^^ i get that, but at some point we need to end it. at some point, we need to start holding people responsible for a weapon that they own being used by someone else to commit violence/mass shootings.
theft happens all the time in this country, but if it was unsecured to begin with, thats a problem that needs some real punishment. i'm not saying they need to be charged with murder, but a nasty fine, some probation..i mean something, because right now there's no real accountability for people with unsecured weapons.
i mean damn bro we had some pro gun mom get popped by her 4 year old cause the gun was on the floor of the minivan. thats complete stupidity, straight up.
and from the stories, looks like even the coaches was bullying this kid?
bro, doesn't that sound like a huge problem to you? somebody who kids look up to as an authority figure basically showing other kids its ok to bully a kid?
so we have bullying a big problem. ok, thats one.
now, we have this story where dude was trying to ask some chick out on a date, and she rejected him. then come to find out she publicly embarrassed this dude.
so now, we have two other issues just from this one story.
1. clearly, the parents aren't teaching this kid how to handle rejection...if they even knew about it to begin with.
2. he essentially got publicly shamed for trying to talk to a girl.
its just a circle of failure all around. we got a kid wearing trench coats and boots like the columbine dudes, parents didn't think that was a red flag?
in freaking TEXAS?
so we got a kid who's parents clearly dropped the ball, a school that was certainly in on the bullying aspect of this kid, a girl who publicly shamed this dude, and obvious the shooter himself, who was a loner, couldn't handle rejection, and clearly felt the best way was to go out guns blazing.
at least 2-3 of those incidents are REPEATS of other shootings.
and let me make it more specific. it ain't white people shooting up schools and other places.
it's white MALES. white girls aint doing this. just like it aint black girls in gangs and doing drive by's, it's black MALES.
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i have zero idea why it's white kids shooting up schools, and mainly white kids only.
2014–2016 by Peter Langman, Ph.D. Version 1.19 (11 June 2016) 1 One of the stereotypes of school shooters is that they are virtually always white males. The extent of racial, ethnic, and gender diversity among perpetrators of school violence is often overlooked. This chart lists school shooters who committed attacks in the United States, Canada, and Australia who were not white males. This issue is not simply one of statistical accuracy in discussing school shooters. Recognizing diversity among the perpetrators can further our understanding of these attacks. Factors such as immigration, acculturation, and racism may be relevant for some of these perpetrators. In addition, recognizing diversity is relevant for prevention. To the extent that people assume school shooters are white males, they may disregard warning signs that come from those who do not fit this stereotype. Date Shooter, Age Location Demographic . 29 January 1979 Brenda Spencer , 16 San Diego, CA: Cleveland Elementary Female . 6 October 1979 Mark Houston , 19 Columbia, SC: University of South Carolina African American . 17 April 1981 Leo Kelly, Jr. , 22 Ann Arbor, MI: University of Michigan African American . 17 December 1983 Su Yong Kim , 26 Ithaca, NY: Cornell University Asian (Korea) . 24 February 1984 Tyrone Mitchell , 28 Los Angeles, CA: 49th Street Elementary School African American . 26 November 1985 Heather Smith , 14 Spanaway, WA: Spanaway Junior High School Female . 10 December, 1985 Floyd Warmsley III, 13 Portland, CT: Portland Junior High School African American . 12 August 1986 Van Hull , 29 Brooklyn, NY: New York City Technical College African American . 20 May 1988 Laurie Dann , 30 Winnetka, IL: Hubbard Woods School Female . 22 September 1988 Clemmie Henderson, 40 Chicago, IL: Montefiore School African American . 16 December 1988 Nicholas Elliott , 16 Virginia Beach, VA: Atlantic Shores Christian School African American . 25 July 1989 Azizollah Mazooni , 25 Seattle, WA: University of Washington Middle Eastern (Iran) . 6 December 1989 Marc Lépine , 25 Montreal, Quebec: École Polytechnique African (Algerian father) . 1 November 1991 Gang Lu , 28 Iowa City: University of Iowa Asian (China) . 14 December 1992 Wayne Lo , 18 Great Barrington, MA: Simon’s Rock College Asian (China) . 8 July 1993 Mark Duong , 28 Ogden, UT: Weber State University Asian (Vietnam) . 20 October 1994 Phu Cuong Ta , 27 Toronto, Ontario: Brockton High School Asian (Vietnam) . 12 October 1995 Toby Sincino , 16 Blackville, SC: Blackville-Hilda High School African American . 17 September 1996 Jillian Robbins , 19 University Park, PA: Pennsylvania State University Female . 19 February 1997 Evan Ramsey , 16 Bethel, AK: Bethel High School Native American mother . 6 December 1999 Seth Trickey , 13 Fort Gibson, OK: Fort Gibson Middle School Native American . 10 March 2000 Darrell Ingram , 18 Savannah, GA: Beach High School African American . 26 May 2000 Nathaniel Brazill , 13 Lake Worth, FL: Lake Worth Middle School African American 28 June 2000 Jian Chen , 42 Seattle, WA: University of Washington Asian (China) 28 August 2000 James Easton Kelly , 37 Fayetteville, AR: University of Arkansas African American 7 March 2001 Elizabeth Bush , 14 Williamsport, PA: Bishop Neumann Junior- Senior High School Female 22 March 2001 Jason Hoffman , 18 El Cajon, CA: Granite Hills High School Latina mother 16 January 2002 Peter Odighizuwa , 43 Grundy, VA: Appalachian School of Law African (Nigeria) 21 October 2002 Huan Yun Xiang , 36 Melbourne, Australia: Monash University Asian (China) 29 October 2002 Robert Flores , 41 Tucson, AZ: University of Arizona Latino 9 May 2003 Biswanath Halder , 62 Cleveland, OH: Case Western Reserve Asian (India) 21 March 2005 Jeffrey Weise , 16 Red Lake, MN: Red Lake High School Native American 30 August 2006 Alvaro Castillo , 18 Hillsborough, NC: Orange High School Latino (Spain, El Salvador) 13 September 2006 Kimveer Gill , 25 Montreal, Quebec: Dawson College Asian (India) 3 January 2007 Douglas Chanthabouly , 18 Tacoma, WA: Henry Foss High School Asian (Cambodia) 2 April 2007 Jonathan Rowan , 41 Seattle Washington: University of Washington Asian (Indian father) 16 April 2007 Seung Hui Cho , 23 Blacksburg, VA: Virginia Tech Asian (Korea) 11 December 2007 Nicco Tatum, 18 Las Vegas, NV: Mojave High School African American 8 February 2008 Latina Williams , 23 Baton Rouge, LA: Louisiana Technical College Female / African American 21 January 2009 Haiyang Zhu , 25 Blacksburg, VA: Virginia Tech Asian (China) 3 April 2009 Jiverly Wong , 41 Binghamton, NY: American Civic Association Asian (Vietnam) 26 April 2009 O’Dane Maye, 18 Hampton, VA: Hampton University African American 4 December 2009 Abdulsalam al-Zahrani , 46 Vestal, NY: Binghamton University Middle Eastern (Saudi Arabia) 12 February 2010 Amy Bishop , 44 Huntsville, AL: University of Alabama Female 23 February 2010 Bruco Eastwood , 32 Littleton, CO: Deer Creek Middle School Native American (Apache father) 5 January 2011 Robert Butler, Jr. , 17 Omaha, NE: Millard South High School African American father 2 April 2012 One Goh , 43 Oakland, CA: Oikos University Asian (South Korea) 7 June 2013 John Zawahri , 23 Santa Monica, CA: Santa Monica College Middle Eastern (Lebanon) 21 October 2013 Jose Reyes , 12 Sparks, NV: Sparks Middle School Latino (Mexican) 23 May 2014 Elliot Rodger , 22 Isla Vista, CA: University of California, Santa Barbara Asian (Chinese mother) 5 June 2014 Aaron Ybarra, 26 Seattle, WA: Seattle Pacific University Latino (father’s side) Asian (mother’s side) 24 October 2014 Jaylen Fryberg , 14 Marysville, WA: Marysville-Pilchuk High School Native American 20 November 2014 Myron May , 31 Tallahassee, FL: Florida State University African American 5 February 2015 Sunghee Kwon, 46 Columbia, SC: University of South Carolina Female / Asian (Korea) 1 October 2015 Chris Harper-Mercer , 26 Roseburg, OR: Umpqua Community College African American mother 12 February 2016 Dorothy Dutiel , 15 Glendale, AR: Independence High School Female 1 June 2016 Mainak Sarkar , 38 Los Angeles, CA: UCLA Asian (India)
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When we find mold in the air at a school we shut it down until the problem is fixed.
Since we are unable to provide the needed security for our children to not get shot in school, maybe we should shut them down until the problem is fixed.
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You after Devos' job? You'd be very good at dumbing down Murica.
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When we find mold in the air at a school we shut it down until the problem is fixed.
Since we are unable to provide the needed security for our children to not get shot in school, maybe we should shut them down until the problem is fixed. Online schooling from top instructors nationwide. Learn from home. If a school building can not be made safe, close them down.
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This is a good idea 40. Then the Incels wouldn't get upset about not having a date for the prom.
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No, there is 100's of reasons why it wouldn't work. I just listed the bloodiest reason why it wouldn't. I think Ytown is more on the nail than anyone here.
Even if we had the means , we don't have the desire . We as a country have lost our appetite for making hard choices because they are right. Fixing our schools security will cost an immense amount of money, yet we can't even allocate money for infrastructure. Instead we cut services. We could investigate what is wrong with our current gun legislation to try and fix that too, but all it takes is a check from the NRA lobby to actively bury any talks of change. The solutions to mass shootings aren't a complicated problem. If you made it so that mass shooters can't get guns, you eliminate mass shooters. If you made it so that mass shooters are unable to afflict damage even if they had a gun, you eliminate mass shooters. Yet our representatives can't even do anything but tweet thoughts and prayers. Just gonna have to get used to this I suppose.
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why not?
people constantly post toward me as if i have to defend all black people. Not me .... i do not believe i’ve ever done that ... maybe over why over 90% of blacks vote democratic ... but thats about it ...
dont get me started on when i first got here, people was grilling me as i was the one causing terrorist attacks because of my turkish background. that anarch2day or whatever his name was wouldn't shut up about it.
i only treat people on this board how i've been treated since day one.
Me too ... so how about u treat me like i treat u instead of lumping me in with all the conservatives and/or white posters on this board ... black people get lumped together all the time. so i'm sure you'd understand that i only fight fire with fire.
i'm only doing what white people do all the time. they CLAIM they only judge people as individuals, but as soon as something pops off, its "hey dont look at me, thats black people doing it". Not me ... unless its a black specific group like ANTIFA ... and thats an extreme group ... I have called u an AYBG ... but that’s cause a lot of your posts are Angry ... your Young .. your Black and your a Man ... so i guess u got me there ... but i dont ask u to defend what all other black men that are young and IMO angry do ... one thing i've learned in life is that being the bigger person sounds good in theory, and looks good on a bumper sticker, but it rarely works in reality, especially at the domestic/local level. I agree with that ... i've never disappeared on any discussion with you, so the only other conclusion would be that i got another ban hammer dropped on me. i think i'm up to 8 this year already, certainly a record breaker. *L* ... i don’t keep count anymore ... What’s your longest one? .. ____ now, first thing to look at his how he got the weapons. so, he got the guns from his pops....how? did his father not lock up the weapons? or is this a case where the dad went "my kid wouldnt do anything like this".
^^ i get that, Its irresponsible and i dont care who your kid is or how responsible they are .. thats just IRRESPONSIBLE ... guns should never be left unlocked or unattended laying around the house ... We’re gonna have to disagree there ... I agree on the punishment ... whatever the law says today is what they should get ... if the laws are as weak as they prolly are ... CHANGE THEM ... every parent should be responsible for their children’s guns ... IMO this is unacceptable ... The gun laws in this country lack simple common sense in a bunch of areas ... this is one of them ... i mean damn bro we had some pro gun mom get popped by her 4 year old cause the gun was on the floor of the minivan. thats complete stupidity, straight up. I cant even imagine how a situation like that arises ... how do u not know where your gun is? .. im sorry bro, that tells me they shouldn’t own a gun much less be carrying one around with them ... if its on the floor of your vehicle .. u have no clue how to responsibly take care of a gun ... and from the stories, looks like even the coaches was bullying this kid?
bro, doesn't that sound like a huge problem to you? somebody who kids look up to as an authority figure basically showing other kids its ok to bully a kid? I dont know why some people are so miserable Swish .. i dont get it .... thats sickening ... really really sad ... Theres POS in every profession .. this one just happens to really hit home .. dumping on a kid ... only a few things lower than that in my book bro ...
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No, there is 100's of reasons why it wouldn't work. I just listed the bloodiest reason why it wouldn't. I think Ytown is more on the nail than anyone here.
Even if we had the means , we don't have the desire . We as a country have lost our appetite for making hard choices because they are right. Fixing our schools security will cost an immense amount of money, yet we can't even allocate money for infrastructure. Instead we cut services. We could investigate what is wrong with our current gun legislation to try and fix that too, but all it takes is a check from the NRA lobby to actively bury any talks of change. The solutions to mass shootings aren't a complicated problem. If you made it so that mass shooters can't get guns, you eliminate mass shooters. If you made it so that mass shooters are unable to afflict damage even if they had a gun, you eliminate mass shooters. Yet our representatives can't even do anything but tweet thoughts and prayers. Just gonna have to get used to this I suppose. How do you prevent mass shooters from getting guns and ammo before you know they are mass shooters? We don't have to get used to this, not should be. Stiffen up the security around middle and high schools to start. You aren't for that because it will cost money? I already said cancel a aircraft carrier or order 20 less F-15's. That would be a good start.
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There's plenty of evidence based data that we could take advantage of to work harder to keep guns out of the hands of mass shooters. I have posted them before but it's exhausting to keep reposting the same papers. We have a problem with solution aversion to guns, where we assume any action on guns leads to a total ban, so we fight to do nothing on guns. Not constructive.
I don't think you realize how expensive it is to make our schools impenetrable to mass shooters. 20 F15s cost 1.3 billion. An aircraft carrier costs 13 billion to make but we obviously don't make one per year. It will cost Ohio 12-17 billion a year (our tax income last year was 62B) to hire enough security and construct appropriately secure schools. It's not hard to envision it costing up to a trillion dollars a year nationally to secure our schools with enough security to prevent mass shootings. An aircraft carrier cancellation won't make much of a dent. We need to be realistic on cost. My numbers are based on school construction costs, guard salaries, and prison industry standards, since they also operate in an environment where attacks can come from outside or inside.
In the end, it doesn't matter a whole lot what you or I think. It matters more what our elected officials think. And right now they are too busy playing political football to make reasonable evidence based changes.
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I dunno.
The inner city seems to have no problem keeping guns out.
Why is it so much harder that white suburbia can't do it?
What is the inner city doing that suburbia can't do?
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Demonrat is a new one. Good work  The reason I keep bringing up the cost is because people keep saying make the schools safer, without offering a proposal. Im not going to claim my proposal is accurate to the penny but it would be accurate to the order of magnitude at the very least. Someone saying we can fix this cheaply without a proposal is not debating in good faith. Your counterproposal unfortunately is not at all going to offset the billions it would cost. Your school administrators making over 100k? If you fired every last one of them you'd only save 10.5 million a year. As for new sport complexes, if we put a new HS stadium at 25 million (guess here, hard to find data) with 910 schools in Ohio with 20 year use rate amortized, that's 1.14 billion a year. That's for bulldozing and making new, not improving old structures. So we could never make or improve a HS football stadium ever again, and still not even come close to the proposed price increase. Do you have additional student activities you would like to cut? I'm not sure they would make a dent at this point but I'm all ears. We need to do something. We have the largest firearm homicide rate by a large margin than other developed nation's. The US has 31% of the world's mass shooters. We have more guns than people and that number is almost 2:1 over the second most armed nation. We have to act it's just a matter of how. If we want to make schools safer we gotta pay up. The only other reasonable alternative I could think to curb violence is widescale gun legislation reform, but I don't see that gaining traction anytime soon. There you aren't paying in dollars but in freedom of gun ownership. I don't foresee any other solution that will curb this school violence problem, but I'm open to other ideas. Over the last three presidents now (bush, Obama, and Trump) we are now what 20 TRILLIONS in debt? I believe we can find the money somewhere.....
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I dunno.
The inner city seems to have no problem keeping guns out.
Why is it so much harder that white suburbia can't do it?
What is the inner city doing that suburbia can't do? Honestly, I believe its the stigma. As soon as that first metal detector went up, parents would have a fit "we moved here because its a safe place, we didn't move here so our kids would have to go through metal detectors." Parents would rather have the feeling of being in a safe neighborhood, rather than being safe.
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Parents would rather have the feeling of being in a safe neighborhood, rather than being safe. I agree with this observation... not specifically because it's "Haughty Hills" school district, but because it's human nature.
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Sucks to keep having this conversation.
Major points.
1. Banning guns won't work criminals don't follow laws.
2. Armed guards, what other solution is viable?
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What is the common thread in all of these shootings? Public schools. If we just ban those, then we wouldn't have all these public school shootings. I mean, that seems to be the answer whenever there's a rare issue with a home schooling family.
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Parents would rather have the feeling of being in a safe neighborhood, rather than being safe. I agree with this observation... not specifically because it's "Haughty Hills" school district, but because it's human nature. Honestly, there is no other reason not too. "schools should not be a prison" - Id rather my kid be alive in a prison then the chance of a shooting not being stopped because you didn't want the eyesore of a metal detector.
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I am also very much against of the 1 entry point idea. All someone would have to do is pull a fire alarm, and sit and wait for the cattle to be herded to the corridor for slaughter. One entry point means one escape route.
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I am also very much against of the 1 entry point idea. All someone would have to do is pull a fire alarm, and sit and wait for the cattle to be herded to the corridor for slaughter. One entry point means one escape route.
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I am also very much against of the 1 entry point idea. All someone would have to do is pull a fire alarm, and sit and wait for the cattle to be herded to the corridor for slaughter. One entry point means one escape route. One entry does not mean one exit.
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Over the last three presidents now (bush, Obama, and Trump) we are now what 20 TRILLIONS in debt? I believe we can find the money somewhere..... Setting aside the obvious distaste for saying "to hell with the debt", that might work if we federalized the school system. Yet right now any given school district receives approximately 10% of their funding from the federal government. This means that the vast majority of any school budget comes from the state/local level, and they can only go into debt if a creditor is willing to foot the bill. Only the fed can print money. It would also not be hard to imagine that if we spent more on school safety than national defense per year, and if we "paid" for it by printing money, that our inflation rate would double or worse, making goods significantly more expensive. I'm not sure why you think printing money to solve this problem is a good idea.
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Sucks to keep having this conversation.
Major points.
1. Banning guns won't work criminals don't follow laws.
2. Armed guards, what other solution is viable? 1. I don't agree with a gun ban, but your statement is an informal logical fallacy 2. Are you ready to spend hundreds of billions a year to make your "only viable solution" happen?
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I am also very much against of the 1 entry point idea. All someone would have to do is pull a fire alarm, and sit and wait for the cattle to be herded to the corridor for slaughter. One entry point means one escape route. One entry does not mean one exit. In my experience, if you can get out, you can get in. a couple well placed shots will open just about any door.
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Over the last three presidents now (bush, Obama, and Trump) we are now what 20 TRILLIONS in debt? I believe we can find the money somewhere..... Setting aside the obvious distaste for saying "to hell with the debt", that might work if we federalized the school system. Yet right now any given school district receives approximately 10% of their funding from the federal government. This means that the vast majority of any school budget comes from the state/local level, and they can only go into debt if a creditor is willing to foot the bill. Only the fed can print money. It would also not be hard to imagine that if we spent more on school safety than national defense per year, and if we "paid" for it by printing money, that our inflation rate would double or worse, making goods significantly more expensive. I'm not sure why you think printing money to solve this problem is a good idea. I didn't say print money, I say we can find it elsewhere. We have wasted trillions literally over the last 15-20 years, with nothing but a big IOU to show for it. That money could have been better spend to fortify the schools. Every last one of them.
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Sucks to keep having this conversation.
Major points.
1. Banning guns won't work criminals don't follow laws.
2. Armed guards, what other solution is viable? 1. I don't agree with a gun ban, but your statement is an informal logical fallacy 2. Are you ready to spend hundreds of billions a year to make your "only viable solution" happen? This shooter was 17 correct? Gun, not legal at 17. Correct me if any of this is incorrect. He had a sawed off shotgun -illegal, he had home made bombs - illegal. What other solution is there? Metal detectors? One entry point policy? I will absolutely not be getting into a semantics argument, you can take that petty [censored] and shove it.
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I didn't say print money, I say we can find it elsewhere. We have wasted trillions literally over the last 15-20 years, with nothing but a big IOU to show for it.
That money could have been better spend to fortify the schools. Every last one of them.
Do you know how the federal budget breaks down? source We have 98,456 schools source and 50.7 million students source To factor in the school construction costs it would be best to just amortize it into the overall school functional age of 16 years source. Federal pens right now have 9 inmates per 1 guard, and that's actually a low ratio. It's desired to have a 4:1 ratio. But let's go ahead and use 9:1 because the argument is let's make schools as safe as prisons. That means we need to hire 5,633,334 guards at a salary of 43,500 each, with a medical plan that causes the employer to spend $10,000 a year ( source ), on top of any other benefits that I won't enumerate . Let's assume we can immediately hire that many guards trained in safety, which is a long shot. That means we're spending $301,383,369,000 per year, on guards. And that number will only go up as COLA adjustments kick in. We are now at over 50% of the DOD budget and we haven't even factored in costs required to make the schools themselves inpenetratable. How much money should we set aside in rehab/new school construction for security? 10%? Let's use 10%. This would accommodate bullet proof glass, single ingress/egress points, areas for safe metal detector use, and safe rooms in the event of an attack over the functional life of the school. If cost per student to build is about $45,000 source Then that means we need to add $4,500 per student. Amortized over 16 years we're talking $14,259,375,000 . Per year. This doesn't include training, safe school buses, or anything else. Just guards and construction at a clip of $315.6 billion a year. It would be the #2 budget item under the DOD and be larger than HUD, Homeland Security, HHS, Dept of Education, and the VA combined. This is not the equivalent of pulling change out from under the sofa. To harden our schools will require us spending money at an unprecedented clip. But if we want to maintain our 2A rights and not add any more gun laws, we have to harden our schools. And it means increasing our budgets significantly to do so. Are we that solution averse that we're saying THIS is the best answer we can come up with?
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