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Trying to rely on a guy who has been suspended for over half of his NFL career and some kid who had nothing but discipline problems in college isn't a smart approach to this.

Whose the some kid that had discipline problems in college?

Antonio Callaway

Troubled UF WR Antonio Callaway goes to Cleveland Browns with No. 105 pick

Troubled UF wide receiver Antonio Callaway did not have to wait for long to hear his name called following two disappointing days in the NFL draft.

Considered a first-round talent, Callaway was bypassed during the first three rounds because of off-the-field issues, including testing positive for marijuana at last month’s NFL scouting combine.


But on Saturday, the Cleveland Browns decided to take a chance on the 21-year-old Miami native and traded up to select him with the No. 105 pick — or the fifth pick of the fourth round.

Callaway thanked the Browns on his Twitter account “for believing in me!” and called himself the best receiver in the draft — a sentiment echoed by others.

If Callaway can clean up his act, he could be a steal.

ESPN draft analyst Mel Kiper Jr. said he at one point ranked Callaway among his top-20 players available.

Fellow analyst Todd McShay called Callaway the “best receiver from a talent standpoint in this draft.”

NFL Hall of Fame receiver Cris Carter, who had his share of off-the-field issues at Ohio State, called Callaway “as talented as any” receiver in the 2018 class.

But 11 wide receivers were selected ahead of Callaway due to his off-the-field issues, including his suspension last season.

Callaway had more catches (89), receiving yards (1,399) and total touchdowns (11) than any UF receiver during his first two seasons.

But he missed the 2017 campaign after he was suspended and ultimately charged with felony credit card fraud, along with several teammates.

Callaway also had two marijuana incidents while at UF.

Callaway was cited for possession last May when he was in the car with a 40-year-old Gainesville man with a history of brushes with the law.

Callaway also admitted during an August 2016 Title IX hearing at UF he was high on marijuana during an alleged sexual assault in December 2015. Callaway was suspended amid the allegations, but eventually found not responsible during the hearing.

Despite Callaway’s troubles, the Gators celebrated his selection.

On his Twitter account, coach Dan Mullen congratulated Callaway and used the hashtag #GatorsAlways.

New Cleveland general manager John Dorsey clearly believes in second chances. He was quoted on the Browns’ Twitter account saying the the team will help Callaway get on track.

"We thought that 4th round is right where you get a guy like this. Because you know you have certain resources to help young men develop ... He'll understand what it is to be a Cleveland Brown,” Dorsey said.

Last year, the Browns took a chance on another former Gator star, defensive tackle Caleb Brantley. Brantley, a possible first-round pick himself, fell to the sixth round amid an investigation into misdemeanor battery charges after allegedly striking a female on April 13, 2017, at a Gainesville bar.

Brantley eventually was not charged and remains with the Browns.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/fl...0428-story.html

Drafting him in the 4rth was a risk/reward calculation. But including his name as someone we can count on is certainly premature IMO

Now I know how this board works. I'll probably be blasted by some who will claim I'm trashing the kid but that's not what I'm attempting to do here. Where he was drafted I'd say the talent is worth the risk. But at the same time I believe he will have to prove his availability before we can risk letting go of other talent at the position.

Of course, but part of the gamble is that we only get to wait until final cuts to make that decision.

If he is looking like he is on course, on and off the field, at that time then you keep him and someone else gets the axe.

As long as Ricardo Louis and Hollywood Higgins are on the roster, Coleman is safe.

I think picking Callaway, taking the enormous risk when an enormous risk in JG is already existing, is another clear sign they don't have faith in Coleman emerging. I think the troubled kid has more support from John Dorsey than John Dorsey has for Corey. I would not be shocked, actually almost banking on it the next injury, that Coleman is not on the team anymore. He's a piece of fragile glass in a place that knows all too much about that type of player.

Thanks ... i thought u were talking about someone all ready on the roster not Calloway ...

I was worried it was Landry ..

j/c:

Hopefully Dorsey will have the same luck w/this bad character as he did w/Hill and Peters.

I do have to question some of these rankings because most of the reports I saw regarding Brantley were possible 2nd, probable 3rd, and perhaps a 4th before the charges were levied at him. He was a lazy piece of crap at Florida. If one or two guys say he is a first round prospect......is he really?

Pfffttttt........I don't like all the low-character players we are bringing in. We drafted a punk at 1 and Calloway later. I'm not impressed.

It's really, really concerning to me as' well. Character people never seem to work out here.

They might work out. Peters and Hill were very good for KC.

I'm not sure we have the veteran leadership that KC has, though. We'll see.

We have drafted nice guys before and well ... 1-31

That is a BS statement. We have drafted jerks before and the result is 1 and 31.

If anyone thinks drafting low-character players makes you better, well...............I won't say.

I'm on the side that character matters as well. That being said, I don't mind when we use a lower round pick on a guy that fell in the draft due to character. Those guys are easier to cut and easier to put on a short leash. It's when we draft the turds high and pay a premium for a guy that might be suspended half his career that I get really get upset. Reward a knucklehead and you usually wind up with more knuckleheadedness.

A lot of it comes down to just how bad can it get, and are we willing to live with the consequences. Do you sign someone like Vontaze Burfict because he is a great talent and can win you games, or not sign him because he might do something to cost you a game due to his anger and dirty play. The Bengals like him because he can win them games, then pray that it does not come back to haunt them, not to mention him doing something stupid and getting suspended by the league due to his temperament.

In the case of Gordon and Calloway, the question is can we trust them enough to keep them on the roster, while cutting players who may not have the same talent, but we know may be adequate and not get suspended when we need them the most.

We all recognize that it can be bad, but like the Bengals, we hope that potential star players will win, not lose us games.

There are a number of reasons we ended up at 1-31 and none of them are that we drafted too many nice guys or too many jerks... we drafted too many guys who weren't any good... add changing coaches, schemes, etc.. and you get 1-31... and for the record, I don't think Mayfield is a punk or a low character guy... so we took a flyer on a 4th round WR with 1st or 2nd round talent... it's worth the risk....

exactly. if 90% of our guys are good character and build the right attitude in the locker room, I like taking some risks on high reward guys.

I'm with you.

1. I don't think Mayfield is a low-character guy. I don't think he's the best QB in the draft, but that's another discussion for any number of different threads.

2. I'd prefer not to have more knuckleheads in the WR room, but I also think Calloway was taken at a good spot. 3rd-4th round is perfect for grabbing a risky 1st round talent.
Also, I don't necessarily put the move to get Calloway and the move to get Brantley in the same category. I'm probably splitting hairs, but Calloway is definitely guilty of what he was accused of, where Brantley had his charges dropped. I don't want to rehash that whole argument about did and did not go down that night... and it's true what many say that anything of the nature that he was accused of isn't acceptable behavior... but the fact that Brantley wasn't charged and Calloway was found guilty gives the two situations a bit of separation for me. The Brantley pick was more taking advantage of a situation leading up to the draft to get him lower than he should've gone, while Calloway was more of a calculated risk.

I dunno, just how I see it.

I think you missed my point. I was making an absurd statement to counter the claim that drafting nice guys led to our 1 and 31 record.

I’m not a fan of this ... at all ... when the thief hired Dorsey we knew this was coming ...

All I can do at this point is hope Calloway stays on the right path off the field and produces on it ...

I really hope he don’t emberass me ... i’d say “us” but i’m not sure some of the others on the board (not U ... ) could care less what they do off the field short of murder or rape ...

If he does mess up ... they best have a SHORT ASS LEASH with him ...

Some people call it a kid who has shown times that he can't control his emotions and some call him a punk. It's a matter of perception.

I dunno.

I watch the Behind Baker Series, and i'm not sure if he's someone I'd like to be around. He just seems so cocky (and I get nervous that he's going to be concerned about other things than football IE endorsements and stuff).

At least in the documentary, he seems to be completely full of himself, although it's hard not to be when you're a College Football God.


Just my opinion though. My wife calls him a name that is a female hygiene product that starts with a D. I'd kind of agree with that.


That being said, when I root for the jersey, not the players. I certainly have my favorites, and when Mayfield starts winning, i'll be all aboard that train. No doubt about it

My hope is that it was simply youth and that he'll mature as time goes on. I mean, he's a Cleveland Brown. I certainly don't buy into all of the BS that it is his fire and competitiveness. I've seen a lot of players who have a lot of fire and a very competitive nature that don't do stupid BS.

He sees a punk and you don’t. Difference of opinions. When someone doesn’t share your opinion it does not make them wrong.

Wait, that's not how it works?

I disagree, you're wrong!

All of you are wrong. I'm the awesome one here. And I've not given my opinion yet.

j/c:

The last couple of posts made me laugh. Thanks.

I just have to say that I don't like Baker Mayfield. He has some incidents in his past and we've been over them a thousand times, but the one that stands out to me is him hitting a player in the head purposely BEFORE the game. That defines "punk." Targeting an innocent victim while surrounded by your crowd. Pffftttt.

It doesn't surprise me while so many opponents don't like the guy. I just can't wait to see him grab his junk in Suggs or Hayward's face and then watch one of them twist his little pickle off and shove it down his throat.

When Baker’s fan bois defend his actions, they always seem to ignore what I find the most disturbing. Of all of his antics the one I find worst is throwing the ball at opponent’s heads during pre-game warmups. Can’t write that off as competitive. The only explanation is that he was trying to hurt someone. No other reason makes sense.

I guess that incident is glossed over by the fan bois because there is no excuse for it.

That's always alarmed me.

I think the argument was that Texas Christian ran through the Oklahoma Warm-Ups, but that had to do with the locker room/tunnel location of where they played.


Either way, it was lame. Very lame.

Being blind doesn't change anything. And for the record, I never called him a punk. It's obvious to anyone willing to look at it that he did let his emotions get the best of him on more than one occasion. That's all I've ever said about the kid. But then here lately comprehension hasn't been your strong suit. lmao

I'd say the ignorance goes to the blind on this subject.