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I think pro-birthers should call them murderers.

unfortunately I had kids of my own, and didn't murder them in the womb. Geez maybe I should have just killed them off so I wouldn't have had the burden of raising them, and thinking of them as worthless little bastids.

Are you OK?

I have felt them kick. Your fighting a losing battle here bro. Just stop.

Mentally..... Hell no I never have been

Ever bought diapers for one? Also, you're the one who keeps responding to me.

Hell yes I keep responding. I wish we could be having this convo over a few beers in a bar somewhere. We disagree but I believe neither one us means any ill will to the ohter. We could have some fun with this if we were sitting next to each other

You are a sorry person.

It is. I the beginning of human life.


You are a big science guy. If one day we find some squirming protozoa on Europa, you will be claiming life was found, and you should.

That said, I have read some of your other comments....you are disgusting. I mean a really disgusting, vile person.

Anybody who agrees with you or simply chooses to ignore these comments are in the same boat as far as I am concerned.

You are a better person that I. It wouldn't be fun if he was sitting next to me.

If a tumor was found on Mars, I'd say that life is on Mars, but not a baby. Not sure why this is hard to grasp. Maybe it's because I'm a big science guy. Also spare me, you've said so many dumb, offensive, horrific, that I stopped caring for what you think of me.

Tell them.

You're not making sense.

A tumor can't become a baby. Only a fetus can. Comparing the 2 is pointless, and you know it's apples to oranges.

This is the problem with discussing issues like this on a sports message board.

Got a bunch of dudes arguing over the rights of women, with very little -if any- actual input from multiple women point of views.

It might as well be a bunch of dudes arguing what sexual assault is....with exclusively male perspectives.

Abortion shouldn't be just a women's issue. Last I checked, it takes a guy to be involved as well.

Where are the rights for the unborn child on whether it gets to live?

I havent put any input into this because I feel it's a waste of time.

This is one of those arguments that wont change anybodys mind.

And I have said this in the past.

That is a good point, I changed my mind.

ha

The problem is, that you all get caught up in whether abortion is moral or not.

The abortion law has nothing to do with abortion.

It has to do with a woman's right to choose what happens to her body.

And that neither the government nor YOU can tell someone else what to do with their body.

You dont want an abortion?

Thats fine. Thats between you and your God.

However you dont get to tell me what to do with my body.

Thats between me and my God. You can butt out.

The law protects my right to choose.

You dont get to legislate your beliefs upon me.

As it should be.

And that's all I will ever have to say about that.

Can I ask you a question?

Sure.

I have always wondered how a woman can claim it is her body while sharing it with another person.

So you're trying to claim a woman doesnt own her own body.

Good thing the law agrees with me.

Maybe not while she is sharing it with another.

But somehow these things have always seemed to me to be higher on the scale than simply man's law.

What Planned Parenthood could learn from me: Being a teenage mom was hard, but it sure didn’t ruin my life
By Nicole Saphier M.D.

It had happened to a few girls in my high school before me, some of whom quickly had an abortion and moved on with their lives. Except this time it was me. The flood of emotions I experienced upon learning of my pregnancy as I started my senior year of high school was dominated by fear and shame.

Needless to say, this wasn’t the most planned aspect of my life and certainly was not on my regimented timeline for becoming a doctor – or for life in general, for that matter. Many around me said I wouldn’t accomplish my goals and that if I went through with the pregnancy I would not only ruin my life but my child’s as well. I also found myself questioning whether I really could amount to anything, other than being a statistic and ultimately a single parent.

I am a believer that life is 10 percent what happens to us and 90 percent how we react to it.

My story is meant to be an inspiration to let women know that they are not destined for failure if they find themselves in the middle of an unplanned pregnancy. And although, yes, they do have a choice, choosing life may be the best choice for them.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/05/2...in-my-life.html

yea but you keep trying to take the choice away.

thats the issue. and the answer is no.

I was a part of a similar story.

Being a teenage dad. In college. Going to classes, then going to work. Riding a freaking bike to work, while taking my son to the baby sitter. Rain? Snow? We just dressed accordingly.

Missing out on 'college' life, for the most part, yet hearing of my friends escapades. I did get to, aside from going to classes and working, play flag football. (it was rough), intramural basketball. An occasional night out with friends.

All because of choices I had made to put me in that position. I missed out on a lot. I screwed up. And as I look back some 30 years ago, I realize I didn't miss jack when it all comes down to it.

Instead of letting my girlfriend have an abortion (and it's not like I had the final say, ok?) we had a son.

Pretty damn proud of that son.

Pretty damn proud that he wasn't killed in the womb - just to make my, and his mom's, life, 'easier'.

MY choices put me where I am today. And I'm just wonderful with it. What could I have been, if I didn't have a son when I was in college? I don't know. But I DO know, any sacrifice I may have made, was 100% worth it.

And I'm pretty damn happy with where I am today as well.

I don't know if you remember, but a while back, maybe a year ago, some of the guys were running you down and I popped up outta nowhere to say you are great man, a man's man, and how much I respected you.

That was all because I had picked up on this story of your life, bit by bit, over the years by reading your posts.

I still have that same respect for you today.

J\C

I'm in my 60s and I lost my chance to have a beautiful daughter or son thru abortion which I wasn't agreeable to but she didn't want the child and I could not stop her, and man I envy the guys with kids of their own you guys are so blessed ....remember that

GEORGE CARLIN ON ABORTION AND “PRO-LIFERS”

Why, why, why, why is it that most of the people who are against abortion are people you wouldn’t want to **** in the first place, huh? Boy, these conservatives are really something, aren’t they? They’re all in favor of the unborn. They will do anything for the unborn. But once you’re born, you’re on your own. Pro-life conservatives are obsessed with the fetus from conception to nine months. After that, they don’t want to know about you. They don’t want to hear from you. No nothing. No neonatal care, no day care, no head start, no school lunch, no food stamps, no welfare, no nothing. If you’re preborn, you’re fine; if you’re preschool, you’re ****ed.

Conservatives don’t give a crap about you until you reach “military age”. Then they think you are just fine. Just what they’ve been looking for. Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. Pro-life… pro-life… These people aren’t pro-life, they’re killing doctors! What kind of pro-life is that? What, they’ll do anything they can to save a fetus but if it grows up to be a doctor they just might have to kill it. They’re not pro-life. You know what they are? They’re anti-woman. Simple as it gets, anti-woman. They don’t like them. They don’t like women. They believe a woman’s primary role is to function as a brood mare for the state.

Pro-life… You don’t see many of these white anti-abortion women volunteering to have any black fetuses transplanted into their uteruses, do you? No, you don’t see them adopting a whole lot of crack babies, do you? No, that might be something Christ would do. And, you won’t see a lot of these pro-life people dousing themselves in kerosene and lighting themselves on fire. You know, morally committed religious people in South Vietnam knew how to stage a god**** demonstration, didn’t they?! They knew how to put on a ****ing protest. Light yourself on FIRE!! C’mon, you moral crusaders, let’s see a little smoke. To match that fire in your belly.

Here’s another question I have: how come when it’s us, it’s an abortion, and when it’s a chicken, it’s an omelette? Are we so much better than chickens all of a sudden? When did this happen, that we passed chickens in goodness? Name six ways we’re better than chickens… See, nobody can do it! You know why? ‘Cuz chickens are decent people. You don’t see chickens hanging around in drug gangs, do you? No, you don’t see a chicken strapping some guy to a chair and hooking up his nuts to a car battery, do you? When’s the last chicken you heard about came home from work and beat the crap out of his hen, huh? Doesn’t happen. ‘Cuz chickens are decent people.

But let’s get back to this abortion crap. Now, is a fetus a human being? This seems to be the central question. Well, if a fetus is a human being, how come the census doesn’t count them? If a fetus is a human being, how come when there’s a miscarriage they don’t have a funeral? If a fetus is a human being, how come people say “we have two children and one on the way” instead of saying “we have three children?” People say life begins at conception, I say life began about a billion years ago and it’s a continuous process. Continuous, just keeps rolling along. Rolling, rolling, rolling along.

And say you know something? Listen, you can go back further than that. What about the carbon atoms? Hah? Human life could not exist without carbon. So is it just possible that maybe we shouldn’t be burning all this coal? Just looking for a little consistency here in these anti-abortion arguments. See the really hardcore people will tell you life begins at fertilization. Fertilization, when the sperm fertilizes the egg. Which is usually a few moments after the man says “Gee, honey, I was going to pull out but the phone rang and it startled me.” Fertilization.

But even after the egg is fertilized, it’s still six or seven days before it reaches the uterus and pregnancy begins, and not every egg makes it that far. Eighty percent of a woman’s fertilized eggs are rinsed and flushed out of her body once a month during those delightful few days she has. They wind up on sanitary napkins, and yet they are fertilized eggs. So basically what these anti-abortion people are telling us is that any woman who’s had more than more than one period is a serial killer! Consistency. Consistency. Hey, hey, if they really want to get serious, what about all the sperm that are wasted when the state executes a condemned man, one of these pro-life guys who’s watching ***s in his pants, huh? Here’s a guy standing over there with his jockey shorts full of little Vinnies and Debbies, and nobody’s saying a word to the guy. Not every ejaculation deserves a name.

Now, speaking of consistency, Catholics, which I was until I reached the age of reason, Catholics and other Christians are against abortions, and they’re against homosexuals. Well who has less abortions than homosexuals?! Leave these ****ing people alone, for Christ sake! Here is an entire class of people guaranteed never to have an abortion! And the Catholics and Christians are just tossing them aside! You’d think they’d make natural allies. Go look for consistency in religion. And speaking of my friends the Catholics, when John Cardinal O’Connor of New York and some of these other Cardinals and Bishops have experienced their first pregnancies and their first labor pains and they’ve raised a couple of children on minimum wage, then I’ll be glad to hear what they have to say about abortion. I’m sure it’ll be interesting. Enlightening, too. But, in the meantime what they ought to be doing is telling these priests who took a vow of chastity to keep their hands off the altar boys! Keep your hands to yourself, Father! You know? When Jesus said “Suffer the little children come unto me”, that’s not what he was talking about!

So you know what I tell these anti-abortion people? I say “Hey. Hey. If you think a fetus is more important than a woman, try getting a fetus to wash the crap stains out of your underwear. For no pay and no pension.” I tell them “Think of an abortion as term limits. That’s all it is. Biological term limits.

I think that you should have gotten out more, dude...

A woman does own her body, but I also feel the child should have the right to live as well. Women don't want their "choice" taken away, yet never give the child or father any choice at all.

Today there are thousands of contraceptives to make it extremely difficult to become pregnant if used correctly and responsibly.

Not your body, not your choice.

Do you want me deciding medical things about YOUR body? Probably not.

What kind of messed up response is that?

I can't hold human life in my body, so it isn't a fair comparison. My feeling isn't even religious. I feel the child should have rights as well as the mother. That's my issue with it.

Oh hey, cle23, Thanks to your opinion, I now have the right to make decisions about your body.

Next week, I have set you up for a prostate exam.

Following that, we'll send you for a colonoscopy.

If that isn't enough fun for you, we will arrange for an internal parasite to be added to your abdomin. It will feed off you for 9 months.
At which point we will extract it. It will be extremely painful.

We might throw in a non-elective surgery as well. And diabetes.

After surgery to remove the parasite, you may become depressed. And want to kill yourself and or the parasite.

But don't worry. There are mental institutions for that.

Congrats, and welcome to motherhood. Chin up, because you get to become a slave to this parasite for the next 18 years.

Because you know, you didn't get to decide if you wanted to be a mother. Other people made that decision for you.

Afterall, they know more about your life and personal beliefs than you do.

If pregnancy was was a disease, or "contracted", or a parasite as you say, I'd agree with you. But it's not.

In this day and age, if you get pregnant on accident, you're a moron. That includes the guy involved as well.

There are so many easy ways to prevent unwanted pregnancy, it shouldn't happen, but people are too lazy or stupid to follow the steps correctly. Abortion kills a life because it is inconvenient. That is wrong.

Again, why shouldn't the child have a choice the same as the mother about it's body? No one has answered that yet. At what point in the process are you ok with the mother losing the right to choose?

You can consider pregnancy whatever you like.

But I control your body now and what happens to you. So suck it up.