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Dang, I'd have hoped after 12 hours that post would have gotten more play LOL. I guess this goes to show I shouldn't perform at an Improv that doesn't have a two drink minimum.

quote above by Buck:



What?

You mean like laws?

Is that why there is an incredibly disproportionate number of blacks in prison?

OK. That makes sense.

(you know what "disproportionate number of blacks in prison" means, right?)

They couldn’t dance good ...

I will drink to that

But as you can see Clem, many want it pushed out of any type of public spotlight so they don't have to deal with, " Anything that calls attention to this social problem, anything that starts a dialogue and leads us in the right direction ". That's really the entire point here.

Well, I did specify:

"If I was asked..."

There may be some that want everything out of the public spotlight, but I'm not one of them. What I've argued all along is that they shouldn't be doing this on "company time". And honestly, I'm not even arguing that. If they want to protest, and the "customers" aren't having an issue with it, then they should protest. But if customers are complaining, then the company should have the right to ask their employees to stop, and the employees should respect that. That's how it works in every other business out there.

If Clem wants to protest the treatment of cello players during the playing of Canon in D, he can't just break out into Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star in the middle of a performance to bring awareness to it. His employer would have a big problem with that and he likely wouldn't be working for them much longer. If I worked on this forum for Purp, and decided to change the default text color to blue, to promote whatever cause I felt was valid, then Purp has the right to tell me to stop, or just kick me to the curb outright. It shouldn't matter how valid the cause is or how innocuous the protest is. If it's hurting the business of the employer, they should be able to put a stop to it.

Back to your point of the public spotlight, the players should absolutely take advantage of that. The public spotlight doesn't turn off the minute they step off a field. They still have huge social media followings, access to mainstream media, and many other outlets. There's nothing stopping them from promoting a cause there and they should. That's not pushing people out-of-sight, out-of-mind. That's respecting the wishes of the person that writes your paycheck and still using your notoriety to promote your cause. As I said before, JJ Watt raised hundreds of thousands doing just that, and didn't do anything on a football field to bring awareness to it.

And anyone saying they should shut-up and not have an opinion is 100% in the wrong. Trump has pretty much been an asshat on this issue, and is a big part of the reason that it's still a big deal.

Can they protest on their own time? Is anyone stopping them from that? They could call a press conference on their own time and protest all they want.

[rubs chin thoughtfully]

Hmmmmm...

*Giving Clem an Idea*

Oh, Dear Lord...
...the world ain't ready for nuttin' like this....

I know it took me 30 minutes to find one photo of a cello player kneeling lol

Well said.

Mr. President has said quit crapping on the flag and hes an azzhat for that .... u guys are UN-BELIEVABLE ...

U stick up for MS-13 like Pit and Swish and Clem also cause Mr. President had the audacity to call members of a gang that dismember people and whose motto is RAPE TORTURE KILL animals ...

Gimme a break ...

Please, show me a post where I stuck up for MS 13.

This should be good.

"Our vewy bwave president loves the flag and the twoops, while you guys love MS-13!"

It gets dumber and sadder by the day.

When the argument devolves into "Clem likes to stick up for MS-13", maybe just hang it up and call it a day.

Yeah, saying the president should focus on all gangs instead of just one means I support MS-13. There goes moronic comprehension again.

Liberals Put The “F” In NFL

https://townhall.com/columnists/derekhunter/2018/05/27/liberals-put-the-f-in-nfl-n2484749

It’s not often you get to watch a major corporation publicly try to pull out of a self-inflicted nosedive, but that’s exactly what the National Football League attempted to do this week. The last two seasons have been a time of shrinking viewership for the league that “owns a day of the week,” as they saying goes, and that negatively impacts the bottom line. So the NFL came up with a solution to what they see as the problem.

Starting this season, the NFL will fine teams with players who don’t stand for the national anthem. Whether or not those teams fine the actual players who refuse to stand is up to them, but the team will also be penalized, which could cost some teams some games. If that isn’t enough to at least give activist players pause – harming their teammates – nothing will.

In a smart move, the league will not punish players who don’t go out on the field for the anthem, the fines only apply to players visible to the public as the song is sung. This offers a compromise to players who desperately need to be known for “doing something.”

Liberals were, naturally, outraged. That’s where they live these days. Their arguments varied, but the basics were the players have a right to protest and the league was simply caving to pressure brought by President Donald Trump and “right-wingers too dumb to realize what the players were actually protesting in the name of profit.”

I was asked to write the opposing view for USA Today on this subject. In that piece I wrote, “The idea that the NFL is only implementing its new national anthem policy because of falling ratings and public pressure is exactly how businesses work. No business exists to employ people; they exist to make as much money as possible.” Allowing employees to engage in “on the clock” activities that harm the business would be suicide.

The liberals did not care. The league is “punishing dissent,” they cried. No, the league is punishing insubordination that is harming the company they work for. In most businesses that would get you fired, and your firing would be absolutely justified.

“Fining teams whose players kneel during the anthem isn’t ‘punishing dissent,’ it’s the people who sign the front of the players’ sizable checks exerting the authority inherent in any employer/employee relationship,” I argued.

Having held more jobs in my life than anyone you likely know, more than 70, I know this relationship all too well. In one of the record stores I worked in as a kid I was required to wear a tie. It made no sense to me then (still really doesn’t), but it was corporate policy so I did it. It’s not as though I didn’t have a choice, I didn’t have to work there. I chose to work there, so I had to follow their rules.

“It’s not like we’re selling insurance,” I argued. But my boss didn’t care, his hands were tied. It was the policy. I didn’t own a tie, my father didn’t own a tie, and didn’t know how to tie a tie, so I wore sweaters, which was the only exception to the policy. But when I wore a V-neck sweater to work, the t-shirt clearly showed that didn’t have on a tie, I was sent home. I knew the rules, and I tried to test them. The company won because I worked for them. There were a lot of people willing to do my job, working in a record store was the “cool job” in the mall, but they were the only record store willing to hire me. I learned.

I was making minimum wage, not the millions of dollars NFL players rake in, and every penny I earned was the difference between being able to fill up my gas tank or go out with friends. In other words, I needed that job until I found another one. Players, if they’re so offended by the idea of having to act in accordance with professional standards while doing their jobs, presumably have a nice pile of money to fall back on. They are under no obligation to continue working under conditions they see as silencing their voices.

But I’d ask you this: how many NFL player-led protest marches have you seen during the off season, on any issue? It’s not like they couldn’t get media attention if they wanted it.

There may have been a few, some players may have attended other protests, but if this is something players, by and large, feel so strongly about, why did their involvement appear to end when the season did? If, as liberals say, the “protests” weren’t about the national anthem, but about something they feel strongly about, why do they only take place during the song during the season?

In this case, it was about the anthem. Liberals wanted something that would stand out, get attention; they wanted to shock. But, as I wrote in USA Today, “What the protesting players don’t seem to grasp is if you protest during something, your protest is viewed as being against that thing. If you protest during the national anthem, your protest will be seen as being disrespectful to the anthem. The method overrides the message.”

They alienated their audience, chased away customers. It didn’t hurt their bottom line, they have contracts, but it did hurt their employer’s bottom line. That’s why there are new rules.

#conservativetears

The first 3 times Kaepernick sat for the anthem, no one noticed. A reporter asked him why after the fourth time, and did a write up of his answer that really didn't register much. Reid joined him the fifth time around, and a few pieces were written.

Then Trump was doing a senile grandpa rant in Alabama about how it was a shame that the NFL outlawed helmet-to-helmet hits, and went on a tangent about how Kaepernick should lose his job, which sparked the mainstream dialogue about the issue and the league wide kneeling. The following weekend, they sent Pence to the Colts game to pretend to be horrified about the political incorrectness and walk out in a huff.

Also, the idea that Kaepernick -who started the whole thing- is a liberal is laughable. The guy is pretty outspoken about being a leftist. The liberal response to the whole affair has been a very tepid "well, I think they should stand".

j\c I guess when KANYE had an opinion he was told to shut up and was 100 per cent wrong but the rules are different for the pathetically hypocritical antifa loving LIBS . jmo

This is like FOX News grandpa gibberish mad libs.

"antifa loving LIBS".

Not only does this have nothing to do with what I said, but it's completely untrue.

Many players have extended their voices, time and money to offseason activism.

BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH WHATTABOUTISM BLAH BLAH BLAH

LMAO

Way to deflect the truth you guys are pathetic and pathological really.

#GOPTrollFood

Cons want everything handed to them on a silver platter. If news isn't directly fed to them via Fox and Breitbart, then it simply didn't happen. They then wonder why everyone thinks they're clueless.

Ya the wellfare scrolls are LOADED WITH CONS ... and none of the folks i know with the free cell phones are Cons ...

Yup ... were the silver platter folks ... ...

This is quite literally unintelligible gibberish that says nothing.

Somebody's Mad Online.

Which makes it his best post yet tbh

My favorite part is his use of "WHATABOUTISM" in a manner that betrays that he clearly doesn't understand what the term means.

Link say 20.

#NOwaytorefuteOldColdDawg

Kind of like his first three years in the league. He sucked but most people didn't notice

1) This is obviously untrue

2) What does it have to do with anything?

"Link say 20"?

Are you having a stroke? Do you smell burning hair?

Nope just you back peddling.

Backpedaling on what?

You made an absurd "liberals were trying to shock" statement that had no basis in reality, I pointed that out, and you've responded with a string of weird and factually incorrect non-sequiters ever since.

Backpedaling would've required you making a coherent point to begin with.