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the fact that he keeps bringing up "racist music" implies he thinks the cops were justified in shooting Hill...over music.
I think him pointing to the type of music it was indicates what he is saying goes even deeper than that.
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Like httt said we don’t have all the facts ... there was a reason i mentioned it ...
The article said he was BRANDISHING the gun ... to me that means it was not in his pocket and that he basically showed it to the cops ... IF it was still in his pocket that changes things ...
The article also said his daughter was sitting on a bench in the schoolyard across the street and said her dad didn’t have a gun .... that means those kids are in range ...
U may ASSume he’s not going to do anything ... not a shot in hell i would ... not with those kids more than likely in range ....
Its a real shame dudes dead ... its a cryin shame ... should have never happend ... based off what i know ... like i said .. BANG BANG ...
I’m not willing to risk lives if someone i have no clue what there capable of is drunk and has SHOWN a gun and i can’t see what there doing with the gun and there’s other targets around ...
Its real easy to sit here and 2nd guess ... real real easy compared to actually being in that situation ... Ok, so from now on we will go by your new rules. If someone has a gun, in their pockey, in their home, police can open fire through the walls because that person could possibly be a threat I dont even to like to take it that direction because this is not a black problem and as long as we make it a back problem, unfortunately it will not be taken seriously. It is a messed up police problem. It is a jack booted thug problem and it happens to people of all colors. I am sure it happens disproportionately to people of lower economic status though which minorities are disproportionately a member of . Bt I have seen excessive police force used on many white people too I'll take it there. I would wager to bet if the guy was white with a gun in his pocket and playing his music too loud in his own home while drunk and belligerent, he wouldn't have been shot to death over it.
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Why do u guys feel the need to BLATANLTY LIE .... i said IF it was in his pocket that changes things ...
So why the need to BLATANTLY LIE about that ...
Just curious ... im not a liar ... so i’d like to know how u can blatantly ignore what was actually said and make statements like u did when it pertains to the gun being in his pocket ...
The gun was in his pocket, that was in court evidence , so no one is lying and no one accused you of lying . But say the gun was in his hand. So the claim is that he was thought to be a threat . But who TF would close the garage door if he was planning on shooting someone outside of the garage? Yea, as I understand it, after they shot blind through the garage door, they didn't enter the house, they waited for SWAT to come breach the house and make sure it was safe.. so SWAT is the group that found him in the garage and confirmed the gun was in his pocket and unloaded...
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Well by his actions kinda did. According to the cops. Dead men tell no tales. According to the Black Panthers dead cops tell no tales.
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Like httt said we don’t have all the facts ... there was a reason i mentioned it ...
The article said he was BRANDISHING the gun ... to me that means it was not in his pocket and that he basically showed it to the cops ... IF it was still in his pocket that changes things ...
The article also said his daughter was sitting on a bench in the schoolyard across the street and said her dad didn’t have a gun .... that means those kids are in range ...
U may ASSume he’s not going to do anything ... not a shot in hell i would ... not with those kids more than likely in range ....
Its a real shame dudes dead ... its a cryin shame ... should have never happend ... based off what i know ... like i said .. BANG BANG ...
I’m not willing to risk lives if someone i have no clue what there capable of is drunk and has SHOWN a gun and i can’t see what there doing with the gun and there’s other targets around ...
Its real easy to sit here and 2nd guess ... real real easy compared to actually being in that situation ... Ok, so from now on we will go by your new rules. If someone has a gun, in their pockey, in their home, police can open fire through the walls because that person could possibly be a threat I dont even to like to take it that direction because this is not a black problem and as long as we make it a back problem, unfortunately it will not be taken seriously. It is a messed up police problem. It is a jack booted thug problem and it happens to people of all colors. I am sure it happens disproportionately to people of lower economic status though which minorities are disproportionately a member of . Bt I have seen excessive police force used on many white people too I'll take it there. I would wager to bet if the guy was white with a gun in his pocket and playing his music too loud in his own home while drunk and belligerent, he wouldn't have been shot to death over it. I would say he probably have a better chance of not being shot depending on how he looked. If he looked like me, a tattoed vagrant biker wearing his MC cut, probably a lower chance of not getting shot . If he was wearing khakis and a (insert the whitest wasp clothing label here) he would probably stand a better chance, if he was white and listening to Pantera loudly he would stand a lower chance compared to if he was listening to ... hey 40, what do you listen to ?
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And again..... AGAIN:
Testing showed NO BLOOD SPATTER on the handgun, indicating that the gun was NOT OUT OF HIS POCKET AT THE TIME OF THE SHOOTING.
It's in the original news article.
I have repeated it.
I have repeated it in bold and in color.
But certain people on this forum simply ignore one of the most important facts in this case.
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The Father didn't shoot himself. Well by his actions kinda did. Had he just answered the door and talked decently to police and turned down the nasty racist music...all go away safe and sound. Your way not so much Just stop, not one of those things you said is justification for a cop to kill someone. Not one . Your comments on his "racist music" show your true reasoning why you feel it was ok to kill him . Actually the nasty racist music is what people called the police on him in the first place, being drunk, with a gun and evasive got him shot.
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Considering what you think of the Black Panthers, it kind of surprises me that you're comparing them to the actions of the cops. Hmmm...
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because like everyone else, Vambo cant point to an actual action that warranted a deadly response.
the fact that he keeps bringing up "racist music" implies he thinks the cops were justified in shooting Hill...over music. Drunk brandishing a gun eluding police = shot
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because like everyone else, Vambo cant point to an actual action that warranted a deadly response.
the fact that he keeps bringing up "racist music" implies he thinks the cops were justified in shooting Hill...over music. Drunk brandishing a gun eluding police = shot SO lets just assume that he wasnt brandishing a gun. Just for arguments sake, it was in his pocket. would that change your thought that the police were justified in shooting him through his garage door ?
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Considering what you think of the Black Panthers, it kind of surprises me that you're comparing them to the actions of the cops. Hmmm...  You so funny, you're funny keep them coming.
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because like everyone else, Vambo cant point to an actual action that warranted a deadly response.
the fact that he keeps bringing up "racist music" implies he thinks the cops were justified in shooting Hill...over music. Drunk brandishing a gun eluding police = shot All according to the cops. Dead men tell no tales
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Well he eluded them with a garage door.
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because like everyone else, Vambo cant point to an actual action that warranted a deadly response.
the fact that he keeps bringing up "racist music" implies he thinks the cops were justified in shooting Hill...over music. Drunk brandishing a gun eluding police = shot SO lets just assume that he wasnt brandishing a gun. Just for arguments sake, it was in his pocket. would that change your thought that the police were justified in shooting him through his garage door ? Assuming lends nothing to the discussion, the article saidc "brandishing a gun" He did everything wrong that day ...Should have not had loud nasty racist music in front of grade school kids, should not have had a gun on his person while drinking, should not have ignored police and should not have eluded police.
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You Dawgs will never get Vambo to see that none of Hill's actions warranted a death sentence.
I truly do think Vambo believes this outcome was reasonable and just.
Because: loud music deserves death.
Is that right, Vambo?
Is that what you're trying to tell us?
That cops can shoot citizens with impunity because of loud music and 'holstered' guns?
That a 'disturbing the peace' call can end with a man dead in is own home... and that's just peachy with you?
Tell us exactly where you stand. Don't jack us around with "if this/then that's" Just say outright if you think this was the right outcome for a disturbing the peace call.
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Well he eluded them with a garage door. He'd be alive if he would have not broken the law several different ways. Had he just answered the door and turned down the nasty racist music he had blaring in front of grade school children he would be alive today, but your way not so much.
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Because: loud music deserves death.
Whatever you say if that is what you believe you are entitled to it.
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because like everyone else, Vambo cant point to an actual action that warranted a deadly response.
the fact that he keeps bringing up "racist music" implies he thinks the cops were justified in shooting Hill...over music. Drunk brandishing a gun eluding police = shot SO lets just assume that he wasnt brandishing a gun. Just for arguments sake, it was in his pocket. would that change your thought that the police were justified in shooting him through his garage door ? Assuming lends nothing to the discussion, the article saidc "brandishing a gun" He did everything wrong that day ...Should have not had loud nasty racist music in front of grade school kids, should not have had a gun on his person while drinking, should not have ignored police and should not have eluded police. No the cops tried to claim he " brandsihed a gun" but every single shred of evidence showed the gun to be in his back pocket. So answer my question, if the gun WAS in his back pocket, does that change your view on the police being justified in shooting him?
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Well he eluded them with a garage door. He'd be alive if he would have not broken the law several different ways. Had he just answered the door and turned down the nasty racist music he had blaring in front of grade school children he would be alive today, but your way not so much. Well hey , I got caught speeding and had to talk to a cop, if he had unjustifiably shot me , I guess my wife and kids would be saying " if he just hadnt been speeding and listening to that damn NWA music he likes, he would be alive today"
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because like everyone else, Vambo cant point to an actual action that warranted a deadly response.
the fact that he keeps bringing up "racist music" implies he thinks the cops were justified in shooting Hill...over music. Drunk brandishing a gun eluding police = shot SO lets just assume that he wasnt brandishing a gun. Just for arguments sake, it was in his pocket. would that change your thought that the police were justified in shooting him through his garage door ? Assuming lends nothing to the discussion, the article saidc "brandishing a gun" He did everything wrong that day ...Should have not had loud nasty racist music in front of grade school kids, should not have had a gun on his person while drinking, should not have ignored police and should not have eluded police. No the cops tried to claim he " brandsihed a gun" but every single shred of evidence showed the gun to be in his back pocket. So answer my question, if the gun WAS in his back pocket, does that change your view on the police being justified in shooting him? The article said the officer had seen him brandish a gun. Not sure at what point the man put the gun in his back pocket after that.
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Well he eluded them with a garage door. He'd be alive if he would have not broken the law several different ways. Had he just answered the door and turned down the nasty racist music he had blaring in front of grade school children he would be alive today, but your way not so much. Well hey , I got caught speeding and had to talk to a cop, if he had unjustifiably shot me , I guess my wife and kids would be saying " if he just hadnt been speeding and listening to that damn NWA music he likes, he would be alive today" Well actually speeding would have been the cause of the police to interact with you, your actions after that would determine the results.
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It is sad that there are so many people out there who have no clue of what it takes to stay alive.
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because like everyone else, Vambo cant point to an actual action that warranted a deadly response.
the fact that he keeps bringing up "racist music" implies he thinks the cops were justified in shooting Hill...over music. Drunk brandishing a gun eluding police = shot SO lets just assume that he wasnt brandishing a gun. Just for arguments sake, it was in his pocket. would that change your thought that the police were justified in shooting him through his garage door ? Assuming lends nothing to the discussion, the article saidc "brandishing a gun" He did everything wrong that day ...Should have not had loud nasty racist music in front of grade school kids, should not have had a gun on his person while drinking, should not have ignored police and should not have eluded police. No the cops tried to claim he " brandsihed a gun" but every single shred of evidence showed the gun to be in his back pocket. So answer my question, if the gun WAS in his back pocket, does that change your view on the police being justified in shooting him? The article said the officer had seen him brandish a gun. Not sure at what point the man put the gun in his back pocket after that. SO answer my question then , if the gun was in his back pocket, would that change your mind on this ? I am not arguing the point of whether it was or not in his back pocket. But trying to understand where you are coming from
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because like everyone else, Vambo cant point to an actual action that warranted a deadly response.
the fact that he keeps bringing up "racist music" implies he thinks the cops were justified in shooting Hill...over music. Drunk brandishing a gun eluding police = shot SO lets just assume that he wasnt brandishing a gun. Just for arguments sake, it was in his pocket. would that change your thought that the police were justified in shooting him through his garage door ? Assuming lends nothing to the discussion, the article saidc "brandishing a gun" He did everything wrong that day ...Should have not had loud nasty racist music in front of grade school kids, should not have had a gun on his person while drinking, should not have ignored police and should not have eluded police. No the cops tried to claim he " brandsihed a gun" but every single shred of evidence showed the gun to be in his back pocket. So answer my question, if the gun WAS in his back pocket, does that change your view on the police being justified in shooting him? Just to be clear, brandishing does not mean he had the gun out. It could mean he showed them the weapon and threatened them with it. It would depend on the FL law. Link Here is the actual FL law: The statute prohibits any person from “ having or carrying any dirk, sword, sword cane, firearm, electric weapon or device, or other weapon” and, in the presence of another person, exhibiting the weapon “in a rude, careless, angry, or threatening manner, and not in necessary self-defense.”
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Somehow that doesn't describe the way the SWAT team found him. Of course then you may be right. I'm sure that when you're shot in the head, the first thing you think of is to put your pistol in your back pocket.
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just giving the law man. I have said multiple times this case seems fishy to me and I want more information. Someone post the actual law to clarify what people are arguing about is bad now?
You can brandish a weapon in your pocket, per the law.
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Somehow that doesn't describe the way the SWAT team found him. Of course then you may be right. I'm sure that when you're shot in the head, the first thing you think of is to put your pistol in your back pocket. somehow you cant read, you can have a weapon in your waistband, or pocket, and still be brandishing it. Please read the law I posted for clarification.
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Let say I have a gun in my front hip, I pull up my shirt, show it to a person, and say BANG BANG.
That is brandishing a weapon, per the law.
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Somehow that doesn't describe the way the SWAT team found him. Of course then you may be right. I'm sure that when you're shot in the head, the first thing you think of is to put your pistol in your back pocket. somehow you cant read, you can have a weapon in your waistband, or pocket, and still be brandishing it. Please read the law I posted for clarification. So the simple act of turning sideways to the police, which would have allowed them to see the weapon, is brandishing?
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Somehow that doesn't describe the way the SWAT team found him. Of course then you may be right. I'm sure that when you're shot in the head, the first thing you think of is to put your pistol in your back pocket. somehow you cant read, you can have a weapon in your waistband, or pocket, and still be brandishing it. Please read the law I posted for clarification. So the simple act of turning sideways to the police, which would have allowed them to see the weapon, is brandishing? According to FL state law, if it was in a threatening manner, yes.
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Somehow that doesn't describe the way the SWAT team found him. Of course then you may be right. I'm sure that when you're shot in the head, the first thing you think of is to put your pistol in your back pocket. somehow you cant read, you can have a weapon in your waistband, or pocket, and still be brandishing it. Please read the law I posted for clarification. So the simple act of turning sideways to the police, which would have allowed them to see the weapon, is brandishing? According to FL state law, if it was in a threatening manner, yes. If a drunk black man turned and wiggled his butt at me, I'd feel threatened.
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It was testified to in court that the gun was found in the guys pocket.
None of us know for sure what happened prior concerning the gun.
It is possible it was always in the back pocket.
It is ALSO possible the guy had it in his hand when he opened the door. Saw it was the cops, and as he slammed the door down, put the gun in his back pocket before he was shot.
I don't know, I wasn't there.
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Somehow that doesn't describe the way the SWAT team found him. Of course then you may be right. I'm sure that when you're shot in the head, the first thing you think of is to put your pistol in your back pocket. somehow you cant read, you can have a weapon in your waistband, or pocket, and still be brandishing it. Please read the law I posted for clarification. So the simple act of turning sideways to the police, which would have allowed them to see the weapon, is brandishing? According to FL state law, if it was in a threatening manner, yes. If a drunk black man turned and wiggled his butt at me, I'd feel threatened. or he lifted his shirt and said he was going to go inside and shoot the house up - that would be threatening.....
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And if he did none of that he was wrongly killed.
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It is possible it was always in the back pocket.
It is ALSO possible the guy had it in his hand when he opened the door. Saw it was the cops, and as he slammed the door down, put the gun in his back pocket before he was shot.
I don't know, I wasn't there. None of us were Arch... and this conversation would be going much differently if more folks were willing to at least admit that there is some ambiguity in "the facts"... But the "BANG, BANG" and "BOOM! Headshot" crowd sure seems to act like they know every detail of what happened and that this guy deserved to die.
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And if he did none of that he was wrongly killed. I am not arguing that. once again, read all my post. This shooting stinks to high heaven. I am simply pointing out the law. Some are arguing he wasn't brandishing a weapon because it was in his pocket. By law, that is not true, depending on the actions that took place. As I have said in MULTIPLE post, we need more information - even though I do not believe we will ever get it, EVEN if it is there.
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