Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 4 of 4 1 2 3 4
PortlandDawg #146335 08/10/07 10:43 AM
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 75,232
P
Legend
Offline
Legend
P
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 75,232
Quote:

How immature do you have to be to follow your line of thinking? I just can't fathom standing up for this creep.




Not nearly immature to make such accusations with no basis of fact to support them. Do I think Barry has taken steroids? Yes,I "believe" he has.

Do I think he "bought them and administered them "to himself"? No I don't. And in order to be "guilty of the accusations" you made above ( the 1-5 comment),that's EXACTLY what he would have had to of done. No,I'm not immature enough to make such accusations.

Now either he did do that or he didn't. It's really pretty cut and dry. Accept to those with "personal hatred" and a "personal issue" with Bonds per say.

No,I'm not immature enough to "make assumptions" to try to place the blame on Barry any more than the other hitters,other pitchers or anyone else who has done it.

I've outgrown any tendencies I may have had to focus my ire on one individual for a wide spread issue that ingulfed many major sports during this generation.

But I've seen some who haven't.............


Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.

#gmstrong
PortlandDawg #146336 08/10/07 11:13 AM
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 14,248
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 14,248
So by your standards, should Babe Ruth be stripped of his records, because he more than likely drank during the prohibition era?

ExclDawg #146337 08/10/07 11:17 AM
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,813
I
Dawg Talker
Offline
Dawg Talker
I
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,813
Quote:

So by your standards, should Babe Ruth be stripped of his records, because he more than likely drank during the prohibition era?




Yes and let's strip some of those titles from his Yankees!


...always have been, always will be...
PortlandDawg #146338 08/10/07 11:28 AM
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,659
C
Poser
Offline
Poser
C
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,659
Portland, you might want to look up the word "cheat" in the dictionary. Bonds didn't break ONE RULE of the game. Again, show me where he did. Until then, I stand by my analogy of Brown, Mack, and many others breaking the law and still being revered.

I'm STILL waiting for someone bashing Bonds to talk about Aaron's "beanie" era, Clemons and many PITCHERS being juiced, Perry and others doctoring the ball (and doctoring the ball for an unfair advantage is no different as it DOES enhance performance). Just admit it. You think Bonds is a jerk. We get it. Obviously, how you single him out, you don't want to accept what DC accurately said in his post above.

Oohrah, my whole point is that all those going after Bonds is doing so ONLY because it's Bonds, while letting many others off the hook. It bothers me greatly that they are crucifying one man and turning the blind eye to those considered good guys by the media.

CoachB #146339 08/10/07 08:01 PM
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 9,149
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 9,149
Yep, but not me. I want to see the whole list. And if they were all cheating, despite the lack of a "rule" by baseball, then they can all go to to hell.

We send Marines to Leavenworth for using illegal substances. It's no different when a baseball player breaks a federal law.

Excuse me, IF he did. Hahahaha,....

OoooRahJoice #146340 08/12/07 08:01 PM
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,426
Dawg Talker
Offline
Dawg Talker
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,426
I just read an interesting article on Bonds and thought I'd pass it on here as well. Here is the article:

Barry Bonds' HR Record Tainted by Elbow 'Armor'?


By Michael Witte

Published: August 08, 2007 10:45 AM Monday, updated Wednesday

NEW YORK (Commentary) Beyond his alleged steroid use, Barry Bonds is guilty of the use of something that confers extraordinarily unfair mechanical advantage: the “armor” that he wears on his right elbow. Amid the press frenzy over Bonds’ unnatural bulk, the true role of the object on his right arm has simply gone unnoticed.

This is unfortunate, because by my estimate, Bonds’ front arm “armor” may have contributed no fewer than 75 to 100 home runs to his already steroid-questionable total.
Bonds tied Henry Aaron’s home run record of 755 on Saturday night and will go for the new standard this week back at home in San Francisco.

As a student of baseball – and currently a mechanics consultant to a major league baseball team -- I believe I have insight into the Bonds "achievement." I have studied his swing countless times on video and examined the mechanical gear closely through photographs.

For years, sportswriters remarked that his massive "protective" gear – unequaled in all of baseball -- permits Bonds to lean over the plate without fear of being hit by a pitch. Thus situated, Bonds can handle the outside pitch (where most pitchers live) unusually well. This is unfair advantage enough, but no longer controversial. However, it is only one of at least seven (largely unexplored) advantages conferred by the apparatus.

The other six:

1) The apparatus is hinged at the elbow. It is a literal "hitting machine" that allows Bonds to release his front arm on the same plane during every swing. It largely accounts for the seemingly magical consistency of every Bonds stroke.

2) The apparatus locks at the elbow when the lead arm is fully elongated because of a small flap at the top of the bottom section that fits into a groove in the bottom of the top section. The locked arm forms a rigid front arm fulcrum that allows extraordinary, maximally efficient explosion of the levers of Bonds' wrists. Bonds hands are quicker than those of average hitters because of his mechanical "assistant."

3) When Bonds swings, the weight of the apparatus helps to seal his inner upper arm to his torso at impact. Thus "connected," he automatically hits the ball with the weight of his entire body - not just his arms - as average hitters ("extending") tend to do.

4) Bonds has performed less well in Home Run Derbies than one might expect because he has no excuse to wear a "protector" facing a batting practice pitcher. As he tires, his front arm elbow tends to lift and he swings under the ball, producing towering pop flies or topspin liners that stay in the park. When the apparatus is worn, its weight keeps his elbow down and he drives the ball with backspin.

5) Bonds enjoys quicker access to the inside pitch than average hitters because his "assistant" - counter-intuitively - allows him to turn more rapidly. Everyone understands that skaters accelerate their spins by pulling their arms into their torsos, closer to their axes of rotation. When Bonds is confronted with an inside pitch, he spins like a skater because his upper front arm is "assistant"-sealed tightly against the side of his chest.

6) At impact, Bonds has additional mass (the weight of his "assistant") not available to the average hitter. The combined weight of "assistant" and bat is probably equal to the weight of the lumber wielded by Babe Ruth but with more manageable weight distribution.

At the moment, Bonds' apparatus enjoys "grandfathered" status. Similar devices are presently denied to average
major leaguers, who must present evidence of injury before receiving an exemption.

Bonds has worn some sort of front arm protection since 1992. In '94, a one-piece forearm guard was replaced by a jointed, two piece elbow model. In ‘95 it got bigger and a small "cap" on the elbow was replaced by a "flap" that overlapped the upper piece and locked the two pieces together when the arm was elongated. In '96, the "apparatus" grew even larger and so did the "flap."

It seems to have remained relatively the same until -- interestingly— 2001, the year of his record 73 home runs, when an advanced model appeared made (apparently) of a new material. It had softer edges and a groove for the flap to slip into automatically at full arm elongation. More important, the upper half of the machine was sculpted to conform more comfortably to the contours of Bonds' upper arm. Since 2001, the apparatus seems to have remained relatively unchanged.

Several years back, baseball was rightfully scandalized by the revelation that Sammy Sosa had "corked" his bat. The advantages conferred by the Bonds "hitting machine," however, far exceed anything supplied by cork. Ultimately, it appears the Bonds "achievement” must be regarded as partly the product of “double duplicity" -- steroidal and mechanical.


[color:"green"] "World domination has encountered a momentary setback. Please talk amongst yourselves." Get Fuzzy[/color]
logdawg #146341 08/12/07 08:44 PM
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 30,826
A
Legend
Online
Legend
A
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 30,826
There's already been a whole thread about this article, and, if I remember correctly, the consensus was: the article is a pile of horse doodoo.

archbolddawg #146342 08/12/07 09:41 PM
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,426
Dawg Talker
Offline
Dawg Talker
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,426
Must have missed that thread. I thought I'd read it somewhere, but I did a search on here and didn't find it. My bad...


[color:"green"] "World domination has encountered a momentary setback. Please talk amongst yourselves." Get Fuzzy[/color]
logdawg #146343 08/12/07 10:27 PM
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 30,826
A
Legend
Online
Legend
A
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 30,826
Can't say as I know where it went either, but I know it was already discussed..........not saying it can't be discussed further, but.......

archbolddawg #146344 08/12/07 10:47 PM
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,679
BradAzz Offline OP
Dawg Talker
OP Offline
Dawg Talker
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,679
I think it was posted in the last Bonds thread. It didn't have it's own...


Joe Thomas made Justin Timberlake change his name. He didn't want wusses to have the same initials...

Dawg Talker since 3/26/2005...
Page 4 of 4 1 2 3 4
DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Tailgate Forum 756

Link Copied to Clipboard
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5