DawgTalkers.net Forums The Archives 2018 NFL Season 2018 NFL Draft Browns select Nick Chubb with the 35th overall pick

It would shock me if he was dropping passes ... he very well many have been, just saying it would surprise me .... i watched all but two or 3 of his senior year tape ... this is what i saw ...

- they asked NONE of their backs to be pass catchers out of the backfield .. it wasn’t there O philosophy ... they simply ran an O that did not utilize backs as pass catchers ...

- everything they threw to him was a swing pass or a screen ... very easy balls to catch ... he looked like a natural catching it ... granted, they were all easy but u can tell ... he caught the ball with his hands ... PALMS OUT ... ....

Very very limited tape but what i saw I LOVED ... way to small a sample size and the passes were way to easy to catch to draw any conclusions from ...

It don’t mean he is going to be a natural at it ... but it also means just because he wasn’t asked to do it doesnt mean he can’t ...

And frankly .. i could care less if he has great or good hands ... obviously if he had great of good hands that would be a HUGE PLUS .. but to me ... his MAIN VALUE will be in between the tackles and getting those tough inside yards ... to me ... thats what matters .. catching the ball would just be ICING ON THAT CAKE ...

Being able to be a tough runner between the tackles and knowing his reads in Pass Pro to be able to pick up blitzes would be enough for Year 1 because that allows him to be out there all three downs if needed. If he can catch, too, then that is all bonus material.

There’s some good ole fashion sound LOGICAL FOOTBALL REASONING for ya ...

Did you notice anything with blocking? As others have said, to me, that's the most important thing as a rookie. You have to know your blocking assignments and it's important to put in good effort blocking/good technique if possible.

As a Pro RB you have to block. Because if you can't be count on to block when you're supposed to, your QB is gonna get killed

Very limited there also ... he has LOTS OF WORK TO DO from what i saw ... *L* ....

Almost all rooks do ... blocking is about WANT and REPS ... hopefully Mr. Chubb puts forth the same effort and wants it as bad as he has shown in his rehab stint ...

Agreed. Because that's a huge deal in my book. Blocking can keep you on the field on third down

Absolutely. Him and catching is the only concern I have with the kid and quite frankly, it's not even on my mind anymore. Listening and reading about him, if the Browns want him to catch and if learning it is needed, he'll put in the work...

As I stated before the draft, I don't think Chubb is even close to being the back he used to be. Unless he makes a huge physical recovery, this was a dumb ass pick.

You make it sound like it's Howard Wilson we're talking about here. We've got to see this kid play at the college level after rehab. I'd hope the people we pay thousands to and the people Hue always speaks so incredibly highly of, our doctors, also evaluated his left knee hardcore at the combine and etc.

A case we disagree, no biggie, but I still am very much on board with this pick.

I did evaluate him BEFORE the draft, so there isn't sour grapes. I had him as my 7th rated back and well behind K. Johnson.

See, this I never got. I tried to get into Kerryon Johnson.

He had a cool name and everything.

Watching them both, I had Kerryon behind Nick Chubb. I just didn't think that Kerryon had that acceleration or pop for a guy of his size. I just wasn't impressed with him athletically. There's nothing that stood out, although he was a productive player.

My rankings (which I know were different than yours)
1) Barkley
2) Guice
3/4) Ro-Jo and Chubb
5) Michel
6) Johnson


But, I never watched that guy Penny

Chubb I had rated ahead of Ro-Jo for us, because I think that Ro-Jo reminded me so much of Duke Johnson and I like (and want to re-sign) the Duke

J/C

I heard that we were really high on Penny; we wanted him at 33 and Seattle pounced on him ... not sure of the validity, just remember hearing it

I didn't feel that Barkley was worth either the #1 or the #4, so I was OK with passing on him.

New England grabbed my preferred RB. (Michel)

Seattle grabbed Penny.

I am fine with Chubb. I don't think that he is that consistent home run threat, but I think that he can break a big play .... and that he is a high end starter. I also think that he has recovered more and more as time has passed. I think that he was a high quality pick, and will be a high quality player for us.

I think that you are making statement, based on your opinion (or others), not facts. His tape shows that he can block (better than Saquon Barkley) and can catch the ball when he is asked to. Its a non issue imo...

As far as his injury ... It is ancient history.

I could care less if he doesn't run a 4.4 40: anymore, he has good speed (4.52) for the position and his YAC has improved from his pre-injury, so Chubbs body of work has shown continual improvement and position maturity.

lol, I was asking a question about his blocking. I didn't make any statement on Chubb's blocking, just that he needs to make sure that he can do it. If he can, then he's that much further ahead of the game. Although, from what I read, Michel was a better blocker at Georgia than Chubb and he does supposedly sometimes miss his blocking assignments. Now I haven't seen enough to make a determination on that myself. I think Pre-Season could be a good indicator.

One thing I do know, Todd Haley will not be playing Chubb if he's missing blocking assignments. That guy seems to be a stickler.


But the statement I made was how it's important for all rookie RBs in general to learn how to block. Learning how to block is key at this level. Especially with how important the QB is. A Rookie RB missing his blocking assignment can lead to a free man laying a lick on the QB. And we all know how important QBs are. If you can't block, you become very one dimensional and it makes it that much harder to find reasons to put them in the game.

As someone said in this thread, it is the difference between being a 3 down player verses a situational player. Especially when it helps telegraph what your next play probably would be

Accually Chubb was the starter, because his Coach was more secure in Chubb with all of the assignments of his position over that of his running mate.

Gotcha. Although I was referring to in the NFL verses in College.

As I've said before, I preferred Chubb over Michel. Chubb is a reliable tough runner. Sonny fumbled the ball too much for my liking.


I hope you're not getting me wrong. I like Nick Chubb. I was very happy with the pick. But I also like the other RBs on our team as well.

I've just stated that, in general, to get more time on the field, he's going to want to make sure that his blocking is adequate.


Cause Carlos Hyde can definitely do that. And Duke does.a good job also. If Hyde and Duke stay healthy, I think they can be quite the tandem. In the meantime, Chubb can adjust to the NFL, work on whatever he needs to work on, and ensure he isn't a liability to the team when he gets his chance

I think that Chubb will do fine, because he has shown a good understanding of reading his keys, and shows a good understanding of reading the leverage of the DL vs his OL, so he is learning new verbiage like all the rest of them ... And I agree we have Hyde, so there is no need to put the full load on Chubb out of the gate.

Georgia's run offence is a pro-style offense in that retrospect, that is why the RBs' who have come out of that program have been so successful early on in the past.

I'm not versed enough in Chubb's game to know what he'll be like, but I'm hoping he's a better version of Crow.

I mean if we're being real, I do think after watching games before and after, he did lose a little burst there in 2017.

Where we got to agree to disagree is on the view he'll need to make some miracle type improvement or that he was just a totally different back. I think he'll be an asset as is going on the 2017 content I've watched. I do think our programs would provide any treatment needed to improve the knee if it could.

Again Chubbs injury was almost three years ago.

yeah, he should be 100%

I like Nick Chubb a lot. I describe his style as blue collar. Not a lot of flash or wiggle but powerful, downhill and no nonsense. The above link emphasizes some of his strengths. I will add patience, and decision making. I don't think he'll be one of those runners who will rely on bouncing runs outside when the hole isn't there. He displays the maturity to run where the play is intended to go more often than not in those situations. Taking a one or two yard gain over a three yard loss.

There will be a corresponding article on his weaknesses that I will post when it comes out, if nobody beats me to it, LOL.

I don't think he'll ever be as fast as he was before the injury. His speed is adequate for the pro game. It won't be a liability. He'll have to demonstrate that he can pass protect. He wasn't asked to do a lot of it a UGA and we all know that is an essential responsibility of an NFL back.

I don't quite get the point of this statement. I know his injury was a long time ago. My point is that he is not the same back since his injury. I welcome you to go to the thread I started called something like Evaluating and Ranking the Running Backs and see my analysis and watch the video I posted. I don't like posting highlight videos, but use actual game footage.

I think against good defenses, Chubb's lack of acceleration and inability to turn the corner [post-injury] are concerns.

I'll save you the time for searching for it. Here is what I said about Chubb on that pre-draft thread.

This reminds me a lot of Montario Hardesty.

I pretty much agree with everyone here ...

I agree with U 100% he is not the same back since before his injury ... no doubt about it ... i agree with pretty much everything u say about him ... he’s lost speed and that will hinder or eliminate his ability to get the edge ... that’s directly related to the injury ... and thats not coming back ...

I also agree with your pre-draft assessment of him ...

But despite the negatives ... i believe he can be a real good back in this league at what he does ... we’ve talked about this but I never explained why I thought he could still be succesful in this league ...

IMO he can be a real good in between the tackles runner .... before his injury he appeared to have a chance to be a better version of Jamal Lewis ... the injury sapped him of that special combo of size, speed and great feet .... now he’s going to have to pretty much be a bulldozer ... and i think he can be a pretty good one of those ...

Per U one of his strengths is his pad level .... actually your entire list of strengths is most of the reasons I believe he can be a very good inside runner in this league with speed that will surprise ...

On top of what u listed ... he’s strong .. has great feet ... is quick in small spaces (u actually alluded to that ) ... he’s smart and one hard working dedicated dude with a TON OF DESIRE ...

Unfortunatley the speed to get the edge isn’t there anymore .. but i still think he has a shot to be real good ...

I liked Guice and Johnson more ... but i am fine with Mr. Chubb and think he has a chance to have a bright future ...

Imagine if by some miracle he gets his speed back ... oh boy ... a man can dream ... *L* ...

Shame on U .. Straight to your room young man with no dinner!!!!!

*L* ...

Good post.

I was not directing that statment to you personally, unless you are like some who thinks he still needs to rehab his knee and some evidently do here. That is why I bring it up.

Vers I have seen every game of Chubb already (some many times over) and I don't see a lack of speed nor do I see a lack of burst. My evaluation is of him as he is, not of what he could have been, that ship has sailed.

In short I don't see a big decline in his play over his pre-injury. We don't know about what if ... we only have his body of work, one that shows continual improvement in all the facets of the position, even if he does not run a 4.4 40: most never could.

Chubb is a driven player with a chip on his shoulder, because he has had to endure the skepticism after his injury, and he has proven them wrong thus far.

Chubb for a bigger RB, is able to make himself skinny to fit through the smallest of creases and that is what will make him successful at the next level, not running outside the tackle's, but he has the speed to get the corner as well.

He is faster than Crow and his running mate @ Georgia and I don't hear those same concerns for them.

Good debate. We disagree just a bit, but it's a good conversation. Sure beats the crap we see in Pure Football.

One last comment I forgot to make. That is that a good back presses the crease firstly, thus collapsing the defense, thereby creating his own edge, because the defenders have speed as well at this level.

Chubb has shown the ability to collapse the pocket, because he knows that he must first press the crease. SB does not press the crease before attempting to take it outside the tackle's, he relied on his speed alone, and that is not a trait that will transfer to the NFL.

We'll see...

Thanks for your insights. Good post. I especially like the technical points you make as far as how you measure his potential for success as he transitions to the Bigs. If you are correct and he does what you say he can do, we should enjoy this player, maybe even more than Crow. This one hopes.

"Make a hole . . . !" NCIS

Well I won't call it a fact until I see it, but I tend to agree with you. Blocking is more about desire than anything. If a player has the desire to be a good and willing blocker he can be. There's no complicated technique involved. It's all about the will and the strength. I believe Chubb certainly has both.

I don’t think so. Chubb has the knee, and has played since.

Hardesty was on the IR after contact with a ant.

Lets also not forget about the advances in medicine, science, and our overall knowledge about taking care of their bodies. There is a reason that players are seemingly lasting much longer than they did in the past. Heck, look at Lebron, Kobe, Tom Brady, Manning, etc. Healing and overall knowledge of your body has come a long way since Hardesty.

As promised here is the article that evaluates Chubb's weaknesses . Just going to present it without much comment. All I will say is that much of the concern voiced in this thread about Nick is evident here. Judge for yourselves.

I can't remember if you did or not...but did you rank the RBs you reviewed? Where was Chubb on your list?