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Me I prefer we just execute all violent offenders and be done with it. I don't support any jail time above 5 years. It's wastes taxpayer money and all it does is turn them into hardened criminals.

A guys pend 20 years in jail and is going to do what when he gets out? No one will hire him. He won't have current job skills. Most decent places to live will not accept his application. What choices will he even have to survive? Most of the time he will just cause a new crime, try to go out in a bang, or do some small crime to go back to where he can get three square meals a day and is generally safer than living on the streets.

The current system doesn't work.

There it is....you gotta toe the line and be a cookie cutter member to be on the left...no independent thought allowed outside of the party lines no matter how off kilter they may be.....kinda cult-ish.

There it is....you gotta toe the line and be a cookie cutter member to be on the left...no independent thought allowed outside of the party lines no matter how off kilter they may be.....kinda cult-ish.

It's been real interesting over the last year to see how many dyed in the wool liberals are being eviscerated for committing the heresy of diversity of thought, of daring to question. It's sad how free thinking isn't on the list of what liberals are tolerant of.

You guys crack me up, always looking for any little thread to pull so you can plant the seeds of divide! What sad and pathetic lives you must lead to be so petty. Liberals are 1000 times more diverse than the right. 1000 TIMES.

It's been real interesting over the last year to see how many dyed in the wool liberals are being eviscerated for committing the heresy of diversity of thought, of daring to question. It's sad how free thinking isn't on the list of what liberals are tolerant of.

I'm the furthest left on here, I don't believe in PC culture, advocate for strong gun rights, and I want to abolish ICE, but no one ever runs a purity test on me, nor do I on others. The real problem is that a lot of Democrats don't understand how culpable they are in creating a pipeline to prison for many people. I would argue that while Reagan was bad for our prison industry, Clinton was the worst offender of any modern President. HRC has even bragged about being so empathetic that she was cool with slave labor in the governor's mansion. Using prison labor perverses both parties. The problem with using free prison labor or reduced salary (which goes back to the prison eventually), is that your economy begins to rely on it and if you rely on prison labor, you begin to make more laws to feed that beast.

Good points. I'm curious though to know what industries are being propped up or supplemented on an appreciable level by prison labor. Full disclosure: NC has an inordinate number of specialty license plates...

Oh, as far as purity tests... try challenging any victim based narrative or question what constitutes racism. You'll probably get a different reaction. You've mentioned Jordan Peterson and Dave Rubin previously.. I imagine you've come across Brett Weinstein. If you haven't looked in to his story, I think it might be worth your time.

https://nces.ed.gov/pubs2016/2016040.pdf

This states over half of the prison population works for free or reduced wages. There's been a lot of cases where megacorporations buy goods made by prisoners.

Also I didn't see that before, thank you. Before I give my thoughts, I really want to start a thread on the intellectual darkweb, but I really only know them from passing. So maybe in a few weeks, when I can research it more. But back to Brett, I think this is the problem when you let white people define what racism is. He obviously took the correct step, but white people thinking they needed to be allies by inviting themselves into everything ruined this great tradition. Obviously at that school the poc did not have a real voice. I do think there is this neoliberal fantasy where race and topics around race, like culture, will be offlimits for everyone, but no one will be offended. Have you ever heard of Slavoj Zizek? He's a Communist who rails against political correctness.

You guys crack me up, always looking for any little thread to pull so you can plant the seeds of divide! What sad and pathetic lives you must lead to be so petty. Liberals are 1000 times more diverse than the right. 1000 TIMES.

I think all y'all be nuts on both sides

J\C

Just how are the liberals a 1000 times more diverse than conservatives .... honest question

Wowsers, I’ve inadvertently struck a nerve with everyone. I apologize to anyone offended by my usage of the term “chain gangs”. I didn’t mean that in the literal sense. For the record, I’m a white male in his later 30s, very middle class, very much tree hugging Democrat.

We can all agree our prison system is bloated, I’d like to encourage a system where, nonviolent inmates are released from prison early, and give back to the community. If we can give them skills to be functional members of society, that could reduce the chance of people going back to prison. Yes, if we had less prisoners, that would alleviate some burden on law abiding tax payers, but that wasn’t my main issue with the prison system.

I know this is a slippery slope, I’m just coming up with an idea to make a bad system better.

Sources written at the time claimed[5] an individual's enrollment in the CCC led to improved physical condition, heightened morale, and increased employability

Interesting, my biggest takeaway from that wiki article was this