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We hear it every day. These are few a few examples.
I wish our president had respect for the office he holds.
He wants NFL players to have respect for the flag. I am sure they do.

He is blatantly disrespecting the office he holds with his non stop lies that typically only serve to attempt to make him look better. Trump thinks Trump>than the office of president.

He is temporarily holding the office it should be respected and actions should be held to common standards. He has a role model responsibility, he should be a stellar role model. Youth of today are being shown that the president doesnt care about the truth. Why should they care? Go forth youth lie your way to the top like I did!



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Are his lips moving? Then you can be pretty sure most of what’s coming out of them is the nonsensical ramblings of a narcissistic liar. The guy is stacked sewage with a bad tie.


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That is just a slice of the problem, what about all the people disrespecting our President. You may not agree with everything he has done but you need to respect the position of President of the United States of America, yet we have people running around wearing T-shirts showing Preident Trump with a gun blowing out his brains. Just like in the military, you may not like the person but you respect the rank.


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respect is earned, not given.

and this isn't the military. Trump works for us, not the other way around.


“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”

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Yes he does work for us but we put him in a position that deserves respect whether you agree with the guy or not.

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respect is earned, not given.


And this is where we differ, I was always taught to respect everyone until they prove otherwise.

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The first problem here is you watch and fall for CNN's lies.

The second thing is I watched Trump out there live and if CNN told you the truth about wanting his people, as he pointed at his staff, to stand up when he talks, he was joking and being sarcastic.

When asked about it a short time later by one of the other propaganda networks, he said, "Jeez, you guys don't even understand sarcasm when you here it, it was a joke!"

CNN is just butt hurt that Trump gave a 49 minute interview to FOX because that is where he gets the fairest treatment.
This video is proof of that.

That is as far as I could watch this junk as I saw the truth already.

You want to hate Trump, be my guest, but don't show us your ignorance of the truth by posting lies about perceived lies. rolleyes

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Originally Posted By: dawg66
Yes he does work for us but we put him in a position that deserves respect whether you agree with the guy or not.

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respect is earned, not given.


And this is where we differ, I was always taught to respect everyone until they prove otherwise.


i didn't put him in position to do anything. i did not vote for him, and i dont vote for draft dodgers.

and respect everyone until they prove otherwise?

Trump proved otherwise years ago.


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Originally Posted By: dawg66
Yes he does work for us but we put him in a position that deserves respect whether you agree with the guy or not.

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And this is where we differ, I was always taught to respect everyone until they prove otherwise.


I just gave you three very clear examples of him proving otherwise. And you know that is the tip of the iceberg.



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Maybe you should watch the entire video.

Commenting on something without watching it would make you ignorant of the topic being discussed. But please dont let that get in the way of spewing nonsense.

You cannot defend Trumps lies as truth to any one with common sense.

Any comments on his responsibility to be a role model?



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Did he lie?, I don't know but I'm not going to take clips from a biased news agency to say that he did or didn't and while I and you may not like him as a person he still deserves our respect for the position that he holds.


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Originally Posted By: dawg66
Did he lie?, I don't know but I'm not going to take clips from a biased news agency to say that he did or didn't and while I and you may not like him as a person he still deserves our respect for the position that he holds.


If he would give the position he holds respect. He does not.
Watch the clip decide for yourself.



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I watched the clip. And if your saying that because he lies he is disrespecting the position of the Presidency then you must not have respected any President we have ever had because they all lie. Some just do it better then others.


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Originally Posted By: dawg66
I watched the clip. And if your saying that because he lies he is disrespecting the position of the Presidency then you must not have respected any President we have ever had because they all lie. Some just do it better then others.


Not verifiable lying daily only for benefit of Donald.
And yes that is what I am saying. And it is a disgrace to the office.



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The current resident of 1600 Pennsylvania would do well to remember he's living in public housing.


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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
The first problem here is you watch and fall for CNN's lies.

The second thing is I watched Trump out there live and if CNN told you the truth about wanting his people, as he pointed at his staff, to stand up when he talks, he was joking and being sarcastic.

When asked about it a short time later by one of the other propaganda networks, he said, "Jeez, you guys don't even understand sarcasm when you here it, it was a joke!"

CNN is just butt hurt that Trump gave a 49 minute interview to FOX because that is where he gets the fairest treatment.
This video is proof of that.

That is as far as I could watch this junk as I saw the truth already.

You want to hate Trump, be my guest, but don't show us your ignorance of the truth by posting lies about perceived lies. rolleyes


Real rich coming from you... the bottom line is if you support and perpetuate the lies from the liar, you are absolutely no better than the liar himself, and in most cases... worse...

So tell me... where do you fit in?

Salvation lies within... thumbsup

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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
don't show us your ignorance of the truth by posting lies about perceived lies. rolleyes


Lets dismiss the standing one. The others are verifiable lies.
Not perceived, no ignorance here. spew away!



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AP Fact Check: Trump on FBI, phantom law on migrant kids

WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump is claiming exoneration in the Russia matter from a Justice Department report that actually offers him none. He's also branding fired FBI chief James Comey a criminal, though the report in question makes no such accusation.

Fallout from the internal report by the department's inspector general capped a week of diplomacy with North Korea, trade spats on several fronts and growing attention to an immigration policy that is splitting children from parents after their arrests at the border. Trump dropped misrepresentations into the mix at every turn.
A week in review:

TRUMP: "I think that the report yesterday, maybe more importantly than anything, it totally exonerates me. There was no collusion. There was no obstruction. And if you read the report, you'll see that. ... I think that the Mueller investigation has been totally discredited." — remarks to reporters Friday.

THE FACTS: The report neither exonerated nor implicated Trump. It did not make any findings about collusion with Russia or obstruction of justice. It did not discredit, or give credence to, special counsel Robert Mueller's continuing investigation into Russian interference in the election and ties between the Trump campaign and Russians. The report was about the FBI's investigation of Hillary Clinton's email practices.
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TRUMP on Comey: "Certainly he, they just seem like criminal acts to me. What he did was criminal. ... Should he be locked up? Let somebody make a determination." — to Fox News on Friday.

THE FACTS: The report does not substantiate Trump's lock-him-up rhetoric. Comey was roundly faulted by the inspector general for violating FBI practices and for insubordination in making public statements about the Clinton investigation at the height of the presidential campaign. The report also revealed communications among some FBI employees who plainly wanted Trump to lose. But it does not support Trump's complaint that political bias influenced the conduct of the email investigation into his Democratic rival.

Nor does it allege any criminal behavior by Comey, who has been accused by Clinton supporters of taking actions that hurt her election chances.
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TRUMP on family separations at the border: "The Democrats forced that law upon our nation. I hate it. I hate to see separation of parents and children." And: "I hate the children being taken away. The Democrats have to change their law. That's their law." — remarks to reporters Friday.

THE FACTS: It's not their law. There is no law mandating the separation of children and parents at the border.

The separations are a consequence of a Trump administration policy to maximize criminal prosecutions of people caught trying to enter the U.S. illegally. That means more adults are jailed, pending trial, so their children are removed from them. Before the policy, many people who were accused of illegal entry and did not have a criminal record were merely referred for civil deportation proceedings, which generally did not break up families.

The policy was announced April 6 and went into effect in May. From April 19 to May 31, 1,995 children were separated from 1,940 adults, according to Homeland Security statistics obtained by The Associated Press. The figures are for people who tried to enter the U.S. between official border crossings.

Trump's repeated, but nonspecific references to a Democratic law appear to involve one enacted in 2008. It passed unanimously in Congress and was signed by Republican President George W. Bush. It was focused on freeing and otherwise helping children who come to the border without a parent or guardian. It does not call for family separation.
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TRUMP: "The economy is the best it's ever been with employment being at an all-time high." — tweet Wednesday.

THE FACTS: Thanks largely to population growth, the number of people with jobs is, in fact, at a record high of 155.5 million. But a more relevant measure — the proportion of Americans with jobs — isn't even close to a record.

Last month, 60.4 percent of Americans 16 and older had jobs. That is up from the recession and its aftermath, when many Americans stopped looking for work. It bottomed out at 58.2 percent in July 2011. Both figures are far below the record high of 64.7 percent, which was briefly reached in 2000. At the beginning of the 2008-2009 recession, 62.7 percent of Americans had jobs.

Economists estimate that at least half of the decline reflects ongoing retirements by the huge baby boom generation. For Americans in their prime working years — age 25 through 54 — roughly 79 percent have jobs. That's up substantially from the post-recession low of 74.8 percent in November 2010. But it's below the record of 81.9 percent in April 2000.
___

TRUMP: "Oil prices are too high, OPEC is at it again. Not good!" — tweet Wednesday.

THE FACTS: He oversimplifies the reasons for increased prices.
OPEC is the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries. Members of the cartel, led by Saudi Arabia, and other big producers including Russia have contributed to reversing the plunge in crude oil prices that started in 2014. They have shown discipline in limiting production since the start of last year, helping push up the benchmark price of international crude.

Prices, however, were already rising on growing demand and expectations that a sharp pullback in new investment by oil companies would reduce the oil supply.

Some estimates put the post-crash reduction in investment by major oil companies such as Exxon Mobil, Chevron and BP at more than $1 trillion — almost akin to eliminating the fourth-largest oil producer in the world.

Meanwhile, output from Venezuela, a major oil exporter to the U.S., has plunged as the South American country goes through a political and economic crisis.

Then there is Iran, OPEC's third-biggest producer. Iran boosted production after the U.S. lifted sanctions related to Iran's nuclear program in 2016. But analysts expect output to fall when Trump's decision to withdraw from the deal takes full effect later this year.
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TRUMP: "Fair Trade is now to be called Fool Trade if it is not Reciprocal. According to a Canada release, they make almost 100 Billion Dollars in Trade with U.S. (guess they were bragging and got caught!). Minimum is 17B. Tax Dairy from us at 270%." — tweet June 10. Two days earlier: "Canada charges the U.S. a 270% tariff on Dairy Products! They didn't tell you that, did they? Not fair to our farmers!"

THE FACTS: He's not telling the whole story. While Canadian dairy tariffs average nearly 249 percent, the troubles that U.S. dairy farmers face can't all be blamed on Canada.

Canadian trade policies have had only a "tiny impact" on America's struggling dairy farmers, says Daniel Sumner, an agricultural economist at the University of California, Davis.

Despite Canadian barriers, the United States last year ran a $474 million trade surplus in dairy with Canada, and exported $636 million in dairy products to Canada while importing $162 million, according to the U.S. Agriculture Department.

Dairy is barely a blip — 0.1 percent — in U.S.-Canada trade, which amounted to $680 billion last year. As a result of the North American Free Trade Agreement, "99 percent of the trade between Canada and the U.S. is tariff-free," said Bruce Heyman, former U.S. ambassador to Canada. Overall, the U.S. ran a nearly $3 billion surplus in trade with Canada last year.
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TRUMP: "Just landed — a long trip, but everybody can now feel much safer than the day I took office. There is no longer a Nuclear Threat from North Korea ..." — tweet Wednesday.

THE FACTS: His claim that there is no nuclear threat is an exaggeration. The five-hour nuclear summit gave the two leaders an opportunity to express optimism. But it didn't nail down how and when North Korea might denuclearize.

North Korea is still believed to have a significant nuclear arsenal that could potentially threaten the U.S. Independent experts say the North could have enough fissile material for anywhere between about a dozen and 60 nuclear bombs. Last year, it tested long-range missiles that could range the U.S. mainland although it remains unclear if it has mastered the technology to deliver a nuclear warhead that could re-enter the atmosphere and hit its target.
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TRUMP: Before taking office people were assuming that we were going to War with North Korea. President (Barack) Obama said that North Korea was our biggest and most dangerous problem. No longer — sleep well tonight!" — tweet Wednesday.

THE FACTS: Trump is wrong to say there was an assumption before he took office that the United States would go to war. Obama had used sanctions to no avail to try to halt North Korea's nuclear program. But it wasn't until after Trump took office that North Korea's testing of an intercontinental ballistic missile and rhetoric between the two leaders heightened talk of war.
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TRUMP: "Chairman Kim and I just signed a joint statement in which he reaffirms his unwavering commitment to complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula. We also agreed to vigorous negotiations to implement the agreement as soon as possible, and he wants to do that. This isn't the past. This isn't another administration that never got it started and, therefore, never got it done." — remarks Tuesday at a news conference with North Korea leader Kim Jong Un.

THE FACTS: He's wrong in suggesting his administration is the first to start on denuclearization with North Korea. The Bill Clinton and George W. Bush administrations both did so.

Clinton reached an aid-for-disarmament deal in 1994 that halted North Korea's plutonium production for eight years, freezing what was then a very small nuclear arsenal. Bush took a tougher stance toward North Korea, and the 1994 nuclear deal collapsed because of suspicions that the North was running a secret uranium enrichment program. Bush, too, ultimately pursued negotiations. That led to a temporary disabling of some nuclear facilities, but talks fell apart because of differences over verification.
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TRUMP: "He actually mentioned the fact that they proceeded down a path in the past and ultimately as you know nothing got done. In one case, they took billions of dollars during the Clinton regime. ... Took billions of dollars and nothing happened." He said of Clinton: "He spent $3 billion and got nothing." — remarks Tuesday.

THE FACTS: His numbers are incorrect. The Clinton administration, which he calls a "regime," and the Bush administration combined provided some $1.3 billion in assistance from 1995 to 2008, says the Congressional Research Service, a nonpartisan arm of Congress. Slightly more than half was for food aid and 40 percent for energy assistance.

He's also wrong in saying "nothing happened" in return. North Korea stopped producing plutonium for eight years under the 1994 agreement. Just how much was achieved, though, is in question, because of the suspicions that emerged later that North Korea had been secretly seeking to enrich uranium.
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TRUMP, on Kim's agreement to work to repatriate the remains of prisoners of the Korean War and those missing in action from the conflict: "He gave us the remains of our great heroes." — remarks to reporters Friday.

THE FACTS: That's false. No remains have been returned since the summit, as of Friday. The last time North Korea turned over remains was in 2007, when Bill Richardson, a former U.N. ambassador and New Mexico governor, secured the return of six sets.
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TRUMP: "He's giving us back the remains of probably 7,500 soldiers." — to Fox News on Friday.

TRUMP: "I asked for it today. And we got it. ... So, for the thousands and thousands, I guess way over 6,000 that we know of in terms of the remains, they'll be brought back." — remarks Tuesday.

THE FACTS: Also wrong. About 5,300 U.S. troops are still unaccounted for from North Korea.

Trump is also glossing over the surely impossible odds of locating the remains of all Americans missing from the war, more than six decades later. Several thousand are still missing in South Korea despite its close alliance and history of cooperation with the U.S.

North Korea and the United States remain technically at war because the 1950-53 fighting ended with an armistice, not a peace treaty. But between 1996 and 2005, joint U.S.-North Korea military search teams conducted 33 joint recovery operations and recovered 229 sets of American remains.
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TRUMP: "I remember a nuclear event took place, 8.8 on the Richter scale, and they announced — I heard it on the radio, they announced that a massive, you know, an earthquake took place somewhere in Asia. And then they said it was in North Korea, and then they found out it was a nuclear test, I said, I never heard of a Richter scale in the high eights." — remarks Tuesday.

THE FACTS: North Korea had no earthquake last year approaching that level of severity. This isn't the first time he has misrepresented the episode.

North Korea tested what it called a hydrogen bomb in September, causing an underground blast so big it registered as a 6.3 magnitude earthquake. Other nuclear tests last year were associated with smaller seismic events.

An 8.8 quake would be 316 times bigger — and release 5,623 times more energy — than a 6.3.

In the past 15 years there have been three earthquakes that were an 8.8 or higher: the 9.1 Fukushima earthquake and tsunami in Japan in 2011 that killed nearly 16,000 people, a 9.1 earthquake and tsunami off northern Sumatra in 2004 that killed about 250,000 people, and an 8.8 earthquake off Chile in 2010 that killed 524.

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He wants NFL players to have respect for the flag. I am sure they do.


Come on.

You know damn well most players couldn't care less about no flag.

One good thing.

Comments like that save me the time of reading any more of your posts.

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Originally Posted By: rockyhilldawg
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He wants NFL players to have respect for the flag. I am sure they do.


Come on.

You know damn well most players couldn't care less about no flag.

One good thing.

Comments like that save me the time of reading any more of your posts.


I am pretty sure you are absolutely wrong. They have friends and family that are in or were in the service and understand the meaning and are proud to be Americans. Do us both a favor put me on ignore.



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TRUMP on family separations at the border: "The Democrats forced that law upon our nation. I hate it. I hate to see separation of parents and children." And: "I hate the children being taken away. The Democrats have to change their law. That's their law." — remarks to reporters Friday.


Just another Trump lie, but one helluva of a whooper this time. The straight scoop from fact checker is posted below...

THE FACTS: It's not their law. There is no law mandating the separation of children and parents at the border.

The separations are a consequence of a Trump administration policy to maximize criminal prosecutions of people caught trying to enter the U.S. illegally. That means more adults are jailed, pending trial, so their children are removed from them. Before the policy, many people who were accused of illegal entry and did not have a criminal record were merely referred for civil deportation proceedings, which generally did not break up families.

The policy was announced April 6 and went into effect in May. From April 19 to May 31, 1,995 children were separated from 1,940 adults, according to Homeland Security statistics obtained by The Associated Press. The figures are for people who tried to enter the U.S. between official border crossings.

Trump's repeated, but nonspecific references to a Democratic law appear to involve one enacted in 2008. It passed unanimously in Congress and was signed by Republican President George W. Bush. It was focused on freeing and otherwise helping children who come to the border without a parent or guardian. It does not call for family separation.




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Originally Posted By: BADdog
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He wants NFL players to have respect for the flag. I am sure they do.


Come on.

You know damn well most players couldn't care less about no flag.

One good thing.

Comments like that save me the time of reading any more of your posts.


I am pretty sure you are absolutely wrong. They have friends and family that are in or were in the service and understand the meaning and are proud to be Americans. Do us both a favor put me on ignore.


You're adorable. How did you get so full of crap?.......Do you need a hug?..... Relax and enjoy unparalleled growth.

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TRUMP: "Oil prices are too high, OPEC is at it again. Not good!" — tweet Wednesday.


You know that meager little tax cut most working class folks got from the Trump Tax Cut...the increase in the price of a gallon of gas just gobbled up that Trump working class tax cut and then some.

It's just too bad that some Americans are so easily 'fooled' by Trump and his boys.



THE FACTS: He oversimplifies the reasons for increased prices.
OPEC is the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries. Members of the cartel, led by Saudi Arabia, and other big producers including Russia have contributed to reversing the plunge in crude oil prices that started in 2014. They have shown discipline in limiting production since the start of last year, helping push up the benchmark price of international crude.

Prices, however, were already rising on growing demand and expectations that a sharp pullback in new investment by oil companies would reduce the oil supply.

Some estimates put the post-crash reduction in investment by major oil companies such as Exxon Mobil, Chevron and BP at more than $1 trillion — almost akin to eliminating the fourth-largest oil producer in the world.

Meanwhile, output from Venezuela, a major oil exporter to the U.S., has plunged as the South American country goes through a political and economic crisis.

Then there is Iran, OPEC's third-biggest producer. Iran boosted production after the U.S. lifted sanctions related to Iran's nuclear program in 2016. But analysts expect output to fall when Trump's decision to withdraw from the deal takes full effect later this year.




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The only thing full of crap is your post and you seeing you like to personally insult people. Much like Donald.

Did you teach your kids to lie and do whatever it takes to make things look better for them. Did your parents also teach you that?

Do you not think the president is a role model?



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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
The first problem here is you watch and fall for CNN's lies.

The second thing is I watched Trump out there live and if CNN told you the truth about wanting his people, as he pointed at his staff, to stand up when he talks, he was joking and being sarcastic.

When asked about it a short time later by one of the other propaganda networks, he said, "Jeez, you guys don't even understand sarcasm when you here it, it was a joke!"

CNN is just butt hurt that Trump gave a 49 minute interview to FOX because that is where he gets the fairest treatment.
This video is proof of that.

That is as far as I could watch this junk as I saw the truth already.

You want to hate Trump, be my guest, but don't show us your ignorance of the truth by posting lies about perceived lies. rolleyes


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"Hey, he is the head of a country and I mean he is the strong head," Mr. Trump told Fox News' Steve Doocy on the White House lawn Friday. "Don't let anyone think anything different. He speaks and his people sit up at attention. I want my people to do the same."

Pressed by a reporter about those remarks moments later, Mr. Trump said he was "kidding."

"I'm kidding, you don't understand sarcasm," the president said.


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People understand sarcasm.
That's why Trump is getting called out.
Sarcasm requires two levels of cognition. Trump would require purple text if he came here.


If humor, thought and cleverness were music, this idiot would be a monotone.


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It seems to me you don't want to admit that a shake up was needed in politics of the office. I'm not quite sure what you're wanting, the same old same old, nothing gets done perhaps.

You do need to respect the person in office because he's the president of the United States. I respected the position when Obama was there even though I didn't agree with anything he was doing and didn't vote for him. Why can't you do the same? That's my question to you. If you don't like it, either run for office yourself or help your party to clarify their message to Americans instead of just insulting others. Since around 2015 I have yet to hear what the Democratic message is, THAT is the problem.


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Once Trump has respect for the office of Presidency, maybe others will too.

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Originally Posted By: tastybrownies
I respected the position. Why can't you do the same? That's my question to you. Instead of just insulting others.


He had my respect as the president when he took office. He lost my respect for reasons stated above. I dont insult people unless they insult me first.



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I respected the position. Why can't you do the same? That's my question to you. Instead of just insulting others.


He had my respect as the president when he took office. He lost my respect for reasons stated above. I dont insult people unless they insult me first.


Personally, his election made me lose respect for the Presidency. Even without considering the Birther stuff, and his acts in office, turning a campaign season for the highest office into a gladiator sport is impressive and fun, but not respectable.

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Dear Mr "President,"

This cheese:



...pairs beautifully with your daily whine.



Nothing says 'strong leader' quite like a daily crying jag about "unfair press treatment." Mature adult men don't act like this.

Shut up and grow up- or give up. Because what you're doing right now is just plain embarrassing.

Sincerely,
65% of America


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Would you use Donald as a role model and tell your kids to be like him? lie and say whatever you like to make you look better, thats how you get ahead. Is that a message you want your kids to follow?



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Originally Posted By: tastybrownies
It seems to me you don't want to admit that a shake up was needed in politics of the office. I'm not quite sure what you're wanting, the same old same old, nothing gets done perhaps.

You do need to respect the person in office because he's the president of the United States. I respected the position when Obama was there even though I didn't agree with anything he was doing and didn't vote for him. Why can't you do the same? That's my question to you. If you don't like it, either run for office yourself or help your party to clarify their message to Americans instead of just insulting others. Since around 2015 I have yet to hear what the Democratic message is, THAT is the problem.


This is just crazy! Not a shake up, CRAZY! The office is held by a corrupt russian puppet, not a legitimate president. YES, Trump is not a legitimate president. Period.

And big deal if the dems have no message, no message is better than "I want my people to be like North Koreans" or Pro Putin or Pro White Power Bigotry... those are the messages being delivered by Trump. And don't tell me about this economy being so great. Wages are stagnant and moving DOWN!

Workers’ wages fall after passage of GOP tax cuts

https://thinkprogress.org/wages-down-for-workers-since-tax-cut-dae56113144b/


Your feelings and opinions do not add up to facts.
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