Eligible for off-season and preseason activaties ... Yet he has still been absent.
No way he's still around when training camp rolls around, right?
I don't recall who we signed first ... Donald or Hubbard?
IMO ... He never had much of a chance to make the roster unless due to an injury, given that we drafted Corbett, and he and Drango can backup two positions or more, and unless Corbett starts getting reps @OC, then Reiter is a pretty safe bet to be one of the 8-9 OL.
Then their are the two dark horse OTs' Johnson and Harrison. The former has a good chance, like the latter was, to be red shirted on the IR (speculation), to give him that extra time in the system to preform his mental and physical gymnastics.
I don't disagree with you guys. But if we struggle to win games again this year, we won't be pointing to a few hours of missed "reps" in June as the reason. Just trying to keep things in perspective.
Just curious, Ward fan? Hopefully of course full fledge Brown's fan. Welcome to the board, you are joining us at a unique time. Its been a long haul and we finally are at the crossroads of starting an actual dynasty here. Exciting times ahead of us.
These coaches are one's not to mess around. If they decided on giving the day off, whether it had to do with heat or just playing odds cause they didn't have any significant injuries and just felt like they would dodge a bullet by doing so. Whatever the reasons, I trust their judgement. One day in shorts will not a season make.
Missing one day of HITTING now that is serious as we are only allotted a certain amount of days.
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Defense wins championships. Watson play your butt off! Go Browns! CHRIST HAS RISEN! GM Strong! & Stay safe everyone!
Throw, one thing I really loved about Hue was the fact he came in with great gameplans. I think he kinda got lost in halftime adjustments but We came out strong last year in most games. This is where hopefully Haley can really help matters out.
Kinda? I'm not a Hue hater, but that's an understatement. I hope he and the staff work on that and become more proficient at the adjustments.
Just curious, Ward fan? Hopefully of course full fledge Brown's fan. Welcome to the board, you are joining us at a unique time. Its been a long haul and we finally are at the crossroads of starting an actual dynasty here. Exciting times ahead of us.
Ward who? You mean Denzel Ward? I like him, but I'm not a Buckeye fan if that's what you're getting at. So yes, I'm a full fledged Browns fan, but not because of Ward or any specific player. Just a long time lurker that finally got around to registering.
I agree, we are finally on our way from the outhouse to the penthouse. I haven't felt this good about the team in at least 10 years.
Just a minor difference of opinion....welcome to the board.
I'm not sure that it isn't more a question of misunderstanding than it is a difference of opinion.
From earlier in the thread it seems they simply moved the third day into the classroom. With a new O being installed and all new QB's in the room, including an almost completely new secondary, I'm not so sure that classroom work may not be a more valuable way to invest the time.
Now to me, if they'd simply have packed it up and went home, I too would be upset. But considering the turnover in the secondary and a new O scheme, I can see how they may have seen the classroom a better investment of time at this juncture.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
If we are I bet Duke becomes a hall of fame WR, too.
Yeah go ahead and ignorantly make fun of me. HOF as stated several times is to state that Taylor made the change and became a HOF WR just noting Duke is every bit as good as Taylor. But laugh at me with ignorance.
Dynasty. We finally got a true Franchise QB Prospect and the first one taken top 5 since our 1999 poor investment of Couch as a 1st year Franchise. TT is the best QB we have gotten here since 1999. WRs and weapons galore, this is not HOMER BLINDNESS these are facts.
On D we got Edge Pass Rushers We now have Cover Corners. The combo of the two are very Dynasty like.
I didn't say we will see it come to fruition this season all though I think many will be surprised.
I've never heard a buzz about our talent here since 1999. We still are not done building this and will only get better.
Dynasty, the only thing you got and yes, it is a big thing is that it hasn't shown itself on the field yet. I get it. But to think we are not close to building on is just being ignorant to the facts.
Defense wins championships. Watson play your butt off! Go Browns! CHRIST HAS RISEN! GM Strong! & Stay safe everyone!
If we are I bet Duke becomes a hall of fame WR, too.
Yeah go ahead and ignorantly make fun of me. HOF as stated several times is to state that Taylor made the change and became a HOF WR just noting Duke is every bit as good as Taylor. But laugh at me with ignorance.
Dynasty. We finally got a true Franchise QB Prospect and the first one taken top 5 since our 1999 poor investment of Couch as a 1st year Franchise. TT is the best QB we have gotten here since 1999. WRs and weapons galore, this is not HOMER BLINDNESS these are facts.
On D we got Edge Pass Rushers We now have Cover Corners. The combo of the two are very Dynasty like.
I didn't say we will see it come to fruition this season all though I think many will be surprised.
I've never heard a buzz about our talent here since 1999. We still are not done building this and will only get better.
Dynasty, the only thing you got and yes, it is a big thing is that it hasn't shown itself on the field yet. I get it. But to think we are not close to building on is just being ignorant to the facts.
But to say emphatically that we are, is blind optimism. I’m glad the Browns have cheerleaders like you. You’re needed. They’ve sucked the soul from many of us who have just become flatline. I now believe nothing that isn’t proven on the field. I no longer even wish for the best as wishing has done nothing in the past. I’ve honestly just become emotionally disconnected. It’s why I’m watching no pressers or any other media. It’s talk, not action. I want action. Action that leads to wins. I’ll watch them talk about winning once they actually start winning. . (I watch/have watched/will continue to watch every game. Regardless of record.) Maybe what you say about the Browns actually turning the corner will be seen played out. I certainly ready for it. When that time comes I’m looking forward to my passion being reignited. Until then...I don’t care.
Sometimes becoming emotionally disconnected is the best case scenario for your sanity. I wish I could do it and have to admit that often times I envy those who can.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
For me it requires a media blackout. I’m not going to allow any FO, Coach, or player talking head try to suck me back in with words. I’ve fallen for it since ‘99. If they don’t produce on the field none of the talk matters. So I wait to see what they do where it does matter. On the playing field. My sanity is more important than their words.
I’m a DNR. If I go down in the backyard while mowing, or facedown into my salad at dinner...let me go. I’m none the wiser. Don’t care if I’m only 46+ years old. The flip side is my nightmare. I live into my late 80’s early 90’s and spend 5+ years crapping myself while being fed purred food. No thanks.
I don't disagree with you guys. But if we struggle to win games again this year, we won't be pointing to a few hours of missed "reps" in June as the reason. Just trying to keep things in perspective.
The biggest knock on hue in my book is the team never being prepared. Stupid penalties, bad time management, never making adjustments....the list can go on.
But preparation is absolutely one thing that is not in HUES corner as a strength.
This absolutely speaks volumes to me and others, that someone who is NEVER prepared himself, is ok taking time off early....
I’m a DNR. If I go down in the backyard while mowing, or facedown into my salad at dinner...let me go. I’m none the wiser. Don’t care if I’m only 46+ years old. The flip side is my nightmare. I live into my late 80’s early 90’s and spend 5+ years crapping myself while being fed purred food. No thanks.
I always felt that until I had a son. Now, give me as much time as I can with him.
Shon Coleman determined to be starting left tackle, but the job remains up for grabs by Scott Petrak June 18, 2018
Shon Coleman slid into the vacancy created by the retirement of 10-time Pro Bowler Joe Thomas and spent the offseason working as the first-team left tackle.
He’ll enter training camp atop the depth chart.
He plans to make it permanent.
“Yeah, definitely. I’m not working to be a backup to anybody,” Coleman told The Chronicle-Telegram last week during minicamp. “A great opportunity, I’ve just got to take it and run with it.”
The conviction is admirable, and necessary to succeed at the highest level, but Coleman starting Week 1 against the Pittsburgh Steelers is far from a certainty. From coach Hue Jackson to coordinator Todd Haley to line coach Bob Wylie, it was unanimous the most important position on the line would remain unsettled well into training camp.
“Obviously, we are talking about replacing one of the best players to ever play that position,” Jackson said. “I would not be a very good coach if I did not try everybody over there first before we made that decision.
“We have to make sure that we have somebody that is comfortable that can play that spot that gives us a chance to win games.”
The battle at left tackle is fascinating for several reasons.
At the top of the list is that for 11 offseasons the Browns had no doubt who would protect the quarterback’s blind side. Thomas seized the role as a rookie and never missed a snap until midway through last season.
Whoever assumes the job will feel the weight of being constantly compared to someone seemingly destined for the Hall of Fame. The other candidates are rookie Austin Corbett, the No. 33 pick; undrafted rookie Desmond Harrison, who’s athletically gifted but was out of football for two years in college; and left guard Joel Bitonio, who is a last resort because the move would weaken the interior.
“I have been encouraged with the growth of Shon,” Haley said. “We do have a Plan B, Plan C and potentially a Plan D that we do not even know about.”
Coleman, a third-round pick in 2016, is in a unique spot. He started 16 games at right tackle last year but was a left tackle throughout his high school and Auburn careers. With Thomas’ future in doubt at the conclusion of last year, Coleman spoke openly about his desire to move back to the more natural left side if the opportunity presented itself. Then when Thomas made his decision official, one of the first things he did was train with Coleman.
“I hate saying we can’t have him back next year,” Coleman said. “He’s such a big role model for me and the rest of the O-line, but it’s definitely big shoes to fill and I’m just trying to do whatever I can to do it.”
Thomas worked with the linemen throughout the spring, including attending meetings. He has focused with Coleman on the specifics of pass protection and being more detailed.
“I don’t think it’s intimidating, but it’s definitely a big challenge,” Coleman said of the prospect of replacing Thomas. “He’s held down that spot just like the ironman should.”
Thomas was a technician who spent countless hours perfecting his craft. Coleman (6-foot-7, 310 pounds) is more of a brawler, with concerns about his ability to protect against elite edge rushers.
“He has the athleticism. We need to keep working on the fundamentals,” Wylie said. “He’s a good enough athlete that he gets himself in some awkward positions and gets himself out of them. He has to keep working on the footwork and the hands.”
Right guard Kevin Zeitler lined up next to Coleman for nearly every snap last season and doesn’t think he should be underestimated.
“Shon is a true freak of a man,” Zeitler said. “He’s that type of guy that can pick up a D-lineman and take him 10 yards and throw him. They always say O-linemen should be able to do that, but there’s only a couple of guys who really can do that play after play.
“He has to get used to being on the left side again but he’s working with Joel, who’s one of the best guards in the NFL, and they’re going to be a devastating side when they get comfortable with each other.”
Linemen can’t truly be evaluated without pads, so the real battle won’t start until training camp. But Coleman got a large dose of what to expect by facing off against defensive end Myles Garrett, the No. 1 pick last year.
“Going up against him definitely lets me know what my weaknesses and my strengths are, what I need to work on,” Coleman said. “It’s definitely making me a lot better player.
“I mean, you go up against him and then go against somebody else, you can definitely tell the difference in what type of player you’re going up against. That’s going to be good for me going into the future.”
Garrett had a simple answer when asked about Coleman.
“He can’t touch me,” he said.
Garrett has a dry sense of humor and likes to needle teammates. After a long pause and a follow-up question, he elaborated on his scouting report.
“He’s definitely a great run blocker and he’s coming along as a pass blocker, as well,” Garrett said. “I like going against him because he’s aggressive and he doesn’t stop. He’s always trying to get after it whether it’s play one or play 40 in practice and I like the intensity and effort he brings.”
The Browns saw Coleman for a season at right tackle and an offseason against Garrett but aren’t ready to declare him the answer at left tackle.
“We will see. We have not played a game with him over there,” Jackson said. “Shon has done a good job. Shon has worked extremely hard. He deserves the right to have this opportunity to see if he can be the left tackle.
“We will know more about that once the pads come on and it is an everyday, get-after-it session.”
If we are I bet Duke becomes a hall of fame WR, too.
Yeah go ahead and ignorantly make fun of me. HOF as stated several times is to state that Taylor made the change and became a HOF WR just noting Duke is every bit as good as Taylor. But laugh at me with ignorance.
Dynasty. We finally got a true Franchise QB Prospect and the first one taken top 5 since our 1999 poor investment of Couch as a 1st year Franchise. TT is the best QB we have gotten here since 1999. WRs and weapons galore, this is not HOMER BLINDNESS these are facts.
On D we got Edge Pass Rushers We now have Cover Corners. The combo of the two are very Dynasty like.
I didn't say we will see it come to fruition this season all though I think many will be surprised.
I've never heard a buzz about our talent here since 1999. We still are not done building this and will only get better.
Dynasty, the only thing you got and yes, it is a big thing is that it hasn't shown itself on the field yet. I get it. But to think we are not close to building on is just being ignorant to the facts.
C'mon, man.... you throw the 'ignorant' word at me a couple times, yet won't back down from calling us a dynasty in the making. LOL!!
You didn't just not back down, you DOUBLED down on what is at this point a laughable prediction.
I'm really rooting for Shon. I've always liked his story with beating cancer and etc. He's a wrecking ball with run blocking and I'd like to see him take the LT spot, hold it down, get paid and provide us someone stable in JT's absence that can pass and run block.
He, or anyone there at LT, has solid help with Joel there beside em'. It's a position I'll be monitoring the most probably through training camp and etc.
BrownsZone's Scott Petrak is "leaning toward" second-rounder Austin Corbett winning the left tackle job.
Corbett worked at multiple positions during the offseason program as Shon Coleman handled the first-team left tackle work, but Petrak does not "get the sense the coaches are satisfied with Coleman." OL coach Bob Wylie said as much last week, indicating Coleman needs to work on his footwork and fundamentals. While the rest of the line is solid, left tackle looks like it will be an area of concern no matter who wins the job.
BrownsZone's Scott Petrak is "leaning toward" second-rounder Austin Corbett winning the left tackle job.
Corbett worked at multiple positions during the offseason program as Shon Coleman handled the first-team left tackle work, but Petrak does not "get the sense the coaches are satisfied with Coleman." OL coach Bob Wylie said as much last week, indicating Coleman needs to work on his footwork and fundamentals. While the rest of the line is solid, left tackle looks like it will be an area of concern no matter who wins the job.
Source: BrownsZone
Imagine that ... No Joe Thomas and it becomes an area of concern
John 3:16 Jesus said "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."
I love Joe. So don’t take this wrong. 31 teams have gone 11 years without Joe, or a Joe equivalent, on their team. A few of those teams won championships in that timeframe. JT isn’t ‘replaceable’ but the position can be played by others at a level that can hold the fort. As long as whomever we put there isn’t a total turnstyle they won’t be the reason why we lose...or win.
BrownsZone's Scott Petrak is "leaning toward" second-rounder Austin Corbett winning the left tackle job.
Corbett worked at multiple positions during the offseason program as Shon Coleman handled the first-team left tackle work, but Petrak does not "get the sense the coaches are satisfied with Coleman." OL coach Bob Wylie said as much last week, indicating Coleman needs to work on his footwork and fundamentals. While the rest of the line is solid, left tackle looks like it will be an area of concern no matter who wins the job.
Source: BrownsZone
Hmm, this would be ideal IMO. Let's hope Corbett is right for the job.
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
I love Joe. So don’t take this wrong. 31 teams have gone 11 years without Joe, or a Joe equivalent, on their team. A few of those teams won championships in that timeframe. JT isn’t ‘replaceable’ but the position can be played by others at a level that can hold the fort. As long as whomever we put there isn’t a total turnstyle they won’t be the reason why we lose...or win.
The best thing about football is that your team is really only as strong as the weakest link. It's truly a team sport, unless you don't have a QB, then you're dead in the water.
BrownsZone's Scott Petrak is "leaning toward" second-rounder Austin Corbett winning the left tackle job.
Corbett worked at multiple positions during the offseason program as Shon Coleman handled the first-team left tackle work, but Petrak does not "get the sense the coaches are satisfied with Coleman." OL coach Bob Wylie said as much last week, indicating Coleman needs to work on his footwork and fundamentals. While the rest of the line is solid, left tackle looks like it will be an area of concern no matter who wins the job.
Source: BrownsZone
I think Wylie actually said something more like this: Coleman is very athletic and that athleticism allows him to make-up-for / get-away-with occasional, less-than-his-best technique...THEN...Wylie said Coleman needs to continue to work on his footwork and technique. (Other than Joe Thomas...who doesn't?)
Zeitler called Coleman a freak and said something like this: When "they" (implying Coleman & Bitonio) get their chemistry down, they will be dominant.
when they drafted Corbett, they basically said one of these things is going to happen:
1. Corbett would play LT 2. Corbett would play LG and Bitonio would play LT 3. Corbett would play C and Tretter would be a backup/released. 4. Corbett would play RG and Zeitler would be released. 5. Corbett would not play.
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
I may have missed it, but I never saw any coach on the team even suggest that Bitonio would be considered at LT. Only from fans. Like I said, I may have missed it though.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
BrownsZone's Scott Petrak is "leaning toward" second-rounder Austin Corbett winning the left tackle job.
Corbett worked at multiple positions during the offseason program as Shon Coleman handled the first-team left tackle work, but Petrak does not "get the sense the coaches are satisfied with Coleman." OL coach Bob Wylie said as much last week, indicating Coleman needs to work on his footwork and fundamentals. While the rest of the line is solid, left tackle looks like it will be an area of concern no matter who wins the job.
Source: BrownsZone
I think Corbett will be fine.
Not to mention the LT position has become over rated.
In the era of the lead footed QB, it was the supreme position on the OL. Now days, not so much IMO.
QB's today can move. Also, the quickest way to the QB is up the middle and get in his face. If you can stone front that to give him a step up pocket, all's good....as long as you don't have a lead footed QB who can't step up a few feet before throwing.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
Nothing really bad about him. No pads on, he can't be himself or physical as I'm sure he'd like. Worse thing said was the gap between the others is not far (but he has the lead) and that Garrett was whipping up on him.
They don't double in this time of year, so one on one vs Myles... anyone going to get whipped on lol. Just need the pads to come on for a true evaluation.
Add this to your spot on comment: The sloppy, lazy QB who loafs his required drop or who cheats the full drop. Line blocks for that depth of drop. The QB who cheats the drop or is too casual getting back can't step up as far. We have had some of this, especially some one-readers. Crisp and complete drops give you more of that step up when needed. But the drop is rarer. Just timing gets screwed up, and things get worse like dominoes falling.
"Every responsibility implies opportunity, and every opportunity implies responsibility." Otis Allen Glazebrook, 1880
Add this to your spot on comment: The sloppy, lazy QB who loafs his required drop or who cheats the full drop. Line blocks for that depth of drop. The QB who cheats the drop or is too casual getting back can't step up as far. We have had some of this, especially some one-readers. Crisp and complete drops give you more of that step up when needed. But the drop is rarer. Just timing gets screwed up, and things get worse like dominoes falling.
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I didn't care to see them take a day off, and I know it wouldn't be "meaningful" reps on the field, because I said in football reps make you better. So it seemed logical that this time could have been used, not in "shorts time" necessarily, but nothing to be worked on? I would favor the habits that day gave you. Some snark seemed to think I am a dunce suggesting W-L depended on that day's practice. Not so. But the habit part I stand by. If coaches felt it was needed, then OK. I have disagreed with coaches before, probably only one here who has. Practice might have provided some upside. I know the real work will be there. There was no flaw there either way.
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