DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Name 5 Players that are most imperative to a .500 or better season.

yes it takes a total team effort to succeed in foothall.
but among 33 different positions it takes a certain few to play at great elite level to make the difference between 4 wins and 10 wins.
Joe Thomas is the only player in recent memory that has played at a consistant elite level.
but that was the problem no one else other Thomas has played at a elite level.
too many Bryce Treggs Isiah Crowells Danny Sheltons and Ricardo Louiss has killed this roster
heres my 5

Tyrod Taylor
Myles Garrett
Denzel Ward
David Njoku
Joel Bitonio

Tyrod Taylor
Denzel Ward
Emmanuel Ogbah
Josh Gordon
Whoever plays FS
Whoever plays LT

Tyrod Taylor - providing leadership on offense and having a solid season.
Myles Garrett - becoming a dominate force.
Josh Gordon - staying clean and hungry.
Jamie Collins - playing up to his talents and leading the D.
Who ever plays LT having a competent season.

1. TT
2. TT
3. TT
4. TT
hmmmmmm ... gues i’ll Go with

5. TT ...

TT
Josh
Ward
Peppers
Zane....we are going to be in some close games, we need him to hit game winners at the end

Assuming MG, Flash Gordon, Landry and DJ play to their potential. With help from the following;

Offense:
TT
LT?
Hyde & Chubb combo
Njoku
Gonzalez

Defense:
Ward
Randall
Collins
Ogbah
Peppers

Taylor
Garret
Ward
Randall
Gordon

Hue Jackson
Hue Jackson
Hue Jackson

Todd Haley
Todd Haley

Greg Williams
Greg Williams

( I know! I can read!)

Taylor
MG
Ward
Landry
LT (to be determined)

Beat me to it

1. Tyrod. An obvious choice, I expect he will solidify the QB position and not have us wanting to jump off a tall building because of our QB play.

He's the QB and will play a huge role in determining our fate, the others I will rank in no particular order.

2. Jarvis. He is a pro, a chain-mover, and a dependable receiver whose presence will open things up for Josh and Njoku.

3. Denzel Ward. Someone has to step up and be a dominant corner, take some heat off the other CBs, and he could be that guy.
I was a little surprised we took him at #4, but now I'm glad we did. I hesitated in going with a rookie.

4. Myles Garrett. Don't need to explain much here. If he can take the second- year leap and be a game-changer, it helps our entire defence.

5. Flash. Josh needs to stay clean, motivated and engaged. If he does those things he could help us win a bunch of games.

I'm feeling good and think it'll be a fun year.

Taylor,
LT,
FS,

And I have to agree here with Throw Long...
Haley,
Williams.

Players:

Tyrod - as the QB goes so shall the Browns.
Gordon - Dude can take the top off the opposition D and make literally everything else open up - run game, Landry, TE's ...
Garrett - Pressure on D.
Ward - With so many great WR's we will face this season, this guy might be the most important player on D.
Ogbah - Have to have a guy opposite MG to prevent double teams.

I don't see RB by committee as an issue - I don't see LT being great and I don't see it being woeful and the reason we lose - Safety play might be the only other area I think will be critical and influence wins and loses - but I don't even know if Peppers will play or where, so I focused elsewhere.

Our RB group is interesting.

Taylor
Njoku
Hyde
Ogbah
Collins

(Need a few more than 5 to step up or play to potential to have ANY chance to get near .500).

Tyrod
Gordon
Garrett
Duke/Landry
Ward

Those are the big playmakers on the team. I have Duke and Landry at a tie for value on offense because the roles they will play will be equally important. I can't leave off Ward though because as he goes so will our secondary IMHO.

I also think the O-line will play a huge part in how this season works out but I am out of players ^^

the thing I like about it is the balance. We have experience, youth, in-the-box style, out-of-the-backfield style, good in short yardage style, play making style, good blocking, etc.

Taylor
Whoever plays LT
Garrett
Gordon
Zane

This year?

Defensive Tackle
Defensive End
Outside Linebacker
“Free” Safety
Cornerback



In other words, Defense.

Oh…You want names? Fill-in the blanks.

LT Coleman
SS Peppers
PK Gonzalez
DE Ogbah
LB Collins

Oh Yea QB Taylor

Usually this kind of list is for the superstars, or plus level veterans who need to play the entire season.

For example:

Green Bay:
Aaron Rodgers
Clay Matthews Jr
Ha Ha Clinton Dix
Jimmy Graham
David Bhaktari

I don't know if we have that. We have a lot of quality players, but I don't know if we have the superstars/game changers other teams do.

I would look at guys like Jarvis, Gordon, Ward, Garrett, and Russell, as vitally important .... but also Taylor, the RB corps, Njoku, the whole OL, Ogbah, the LB corps .... many, the list just goes on. We need the team to come together. Everyone needs to contribute.

Tyrod
Gordon
Myles
Ward
Peppers

Obvious reason TT. I put Gordon on the list, because we know we got a great one in Jarvis now, but if Gordon can produce like the past, watch out!

Myles because that pass rush is the most important part of a defense.

Ward and peppers because the secondary is the second most important part of the defense.

IMO

I see the question differently than superstars stepping up. Taylor has established a baseline. As long as he at least matches that, he's done his job. Same with Landry. Garrett needs to keep his promise (of talent, not a verbal statement.) The guys that I see who have to step up to make the team a 500 team are more the guys on the 2nd tier of talent.

Ogbah has to justify passing on Chubb
Peppers, playing in his natural position, has to show why he as a first round pick
Ogunjobi needs to make us ask, "Who was that Samoian guy? The one who picked up the commissioner?"
Randall has to show moving him back to FS was a smart move.
And most of all, Gordon has to reward our patience by being who he always had the potential to be.

Ogbah was our best Defensive player last year, I tend to think Chubb has to prove we shouldn't have passed on him, not the other way around. Ogbah has already proved he can play in the league.

j/c:

Tyrod Taylor
Myles Garrett
Emmanuel Ogbah
Josh Gordon
Zane Gonzales

Tyrod Taylor
Larry Ogunjobi
Denzel Ward
Corey Coleman/3rd WR
EJ Gaines
Ogbah

I don't buy into that line of thinking.

I believe that it would have to be proven that our team would be better with Chubb than the combination of Ogbah and Ward. Negating the fact that we decided to add Ward in the process is overlooking the obvious to me.

People seem to fail to realize that the secondary is just as important as the pass rush. They compliment each other to reach success.

I think you are misinterpreting me. I was never on the Chubb bandwagon. I am on record saying drafting Chubb, when DE is already one of the strengths of the team, would not be a good use of the draft pick (#1410506). I am also one of the few on here who called the pick of Ward at 4 (#1441826).

That said, there were alot of people, both here and in the media. who saw passing on Chubb as a mistake. If Ogbah doesn't perform well, then those same people, both here and in the media, will be talking about how we should have drafted Chubb.

I really wasn't referring to anything you may have said involving the draft. Or what fans and the media may or may not say.

The fact remains that if one is trying to be accurate, you have to take two things into account.

First would be, as you mentioned, how does the DL perform without the addition of Chubb.

Second would be, how does Chubb compare to Ward.

I mean Ward is exactly the resource we acquired rather than Chubb. If Ward falters and our DL doesn't perform, then people would have a point. But you simply can't exclude Ward from the discussion.

No offensive concerns any huh? Maybe just me, but I've always been more concerned about the offense than defense these most recent years.

Maybe it's just my personal preference, but over the years I've found that I have enjoyed good defense over good offense.

If you can't have both. And as of right now, the Browns have neither. Let's not fool ourselves. Over the past two years the Browns were the worst non-expansion team in the history of the NFL.

Anyway, I just loved watching Browns games and when the offense sputtered, it was time for a decent defense to take the field.

One of our club chants during games used to be "FIELD POSITION!"

Yeah, me too ... our offense has been historically inept

Wake up and smell the coffee dawg ...

HISTORY does not have a damm thing to do with this years team ...

ZERO ... ZILCH ... NADA ... NOTHING ...

As Timon said ... “put the past behind u” ... or was that Pumbba ...

I think history does have an influence. When you have a team that has experienced a ton of winning, it is easier to get them to buy into the sacrifices that must be made to win.

Contrarily, when you have a team that has lost in such epic proportions, it is much harder to develop a winning culture. It is much harder to overcome the "here we go again" downer of thinking you are going to lose a game at the end rather than win it.

This is one of the major reasons you and I disagreed w/the "plan" that Sashi implemented. I believe that winning breeds winning and losing breeds losing. You apparently disagree.

Thats not what i meant ... they were talking specifically about the O ... i was reffering to

TT > DK

Jarvis & Josh > Kenny and Coleman

TT > DK

Njoku yr 2 > rookie version Njoku

TT > DK

Thats what i meant by HISTORY meaning SQUADOOSH ... our talent level is NIGHT and DAY ...

Our talent is better, but I still think that the team has to learn how to win. That's easier said than done.

That's as good a list as I can think of.