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Our talent is better, but I still think that the team has to learn how to win. That's easier said than done. I definitely agree with you that this team needs to learn how to win. We have brought in quality players in the past, and no winning. It's time to start winning, and the only thing that creates winning ..... is winning.
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Our talent is better, but I still think that the team has to learn how to win. That's easier said than done.
btw, did I miss it, who are your 5 Players?
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Our talent is better, but I still think that the team has to learn how to win. That's easier said than done. I most certainly agree with this. And while I am one who supports giving Hue this year because I do not believe he was given the talent to win during the complete tear down the team underwent, I believe if Hue alone was in charge of the O it would be an even bigger obstacle. It would be, IMO, very hard to get players to believe in a HC who is 1-31 during the past two seasons. While they might like him and get along with him, believing he can make them winners would be difficult IMO. Bringing in Todd Haley I believe helps that situation. While we all know Haley has had an abundance of talent with which to produce wins, having all of those wins under his belt I believe will make it much easier for the players to buy in. Now don't get me wrong, I do not believe that means that we are automatically going to win games because Haley's here. But what I am saying is we certainly aren't going to win games if the players don't buy into the system and fully believe the one teaching them can be a winner. I do believe with the influx of talent and the hiring of Haley our odds are significantly better than in seasons past.
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Josh Gordon
Denzel Ward
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I'll be more vague and use position instead of players names.
The quarterback position is most important. Whether it's tyrod, baker, or drew playing, if we are going to win any games this position is going to need to play well.
I think the WR are next in line. Gordon, Landry, and Coleman. If they are playing well we will win.
Left tackle is important. I believe it'll be Coleman there, but how he or whomever is there plays as "replacement" to Joe will be important.
Whomever is covering the opposing team's TE will need to play well. The rule in fantasy was to play whatever TE was playing the browns. That needs to stop.
Eh, and probably important but less critical is the punter. I think this position is often overlooked in this regard. And although it's not necessary, but this sure would help this team this season. Don't want any 15 yd shank punts.
These 5 positions play well and we are going to win some games.
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Whomever is covering the opposing team's TE will need to play well. The rule in fantasy was to play whatever TE was playing the browns. That needs to stop. This is a great observation.
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Whomever is covering the opposing team's TE will need to play well. The rule in fantasy was to play whatever TE was playing the browns. That needs to stop. This is a great observation. Not having a Safety with one foot in Lake Erie, and DBs getting beat like a drum, should help.
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Tyrod Taylor
Myles Garrett
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Josh Gordon
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I like this observation about DB play. Laughed reading the headline on the Browns site saying the DBs would try to make more plays on the ball this season. That bill is way overdue and it sounds like a swell idea. It was crazy watching first guy miss regularly. Can't call it a tackler actually.
Play on the ball would cross 'em up.
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For a .500 season, I think we'd only need 3 guys to step it up.
1. Tyrod
2. Garrett
3. Denzel Ward
The Lion's share would belong to Tyrod. However I think there are 5 guys whose play will determine if we're a playoff team or not.
1. Ogbah
If he and Garrett can create havoc on the outside, then our secondary doesn't have to be great. I hope that playing against RT's for a full season will do him wonders.
2. Kirksey
What hurt the worst about Collins getting hurt, was that our defenses were never properly aligned. Kirksey did a great job at commanding the middle, but he needs to have more presnap awareness this year.
3. Josh Gordon
I really don't think a WR is ever that valuable to a team's success, but not many WRs can play like Josh Gordon. If he plays like an all-pro, the rest of our team will become so much deadlier.
4. Damarious Randle
We will be playing some great WR corps this year, and we need someone to not give up the long ball. If he can do it well, then we should be in great shape.
5. Duke Johnson
Arguably our best playmaker last year, but after a slew of off-season moves, he's now floating on our depth chart. If he can beat out Chubb, Hyde, Coleman and Calloway for more touches, I think our offense will be a force to be reckoned with.
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Tyrod Taylor
Myles Garrett
Jarvis Landry
Denzel Ward
Baker Mayfield
I understand the plan of starting Taylor and that he's the guy. In theory, him being on the list should preclude Mayfield from being on it as well...... but when is the last time a Browns QB started all 16 games? QB is by far the most important position on the team and injuries/ineffectiveness/impatience happen. Mayfield makes my list as well.
Garrett being on this list shouldn't need much explanation.
I chose Landry as the 'offensive weapon' because he's been so reliable throughout his career whereas someone like Gordon may be a beast but has really only had one great year in his career.
I was hesitant to put Ward on the list because it's a lot to ask of a rookie CB (or any position really) but when you take a CB #4 overall at least in part due to need.. well you kind of need him to deliver. Hope he's up for the task.
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In order of relevance:
1) Tyrod Taylor
2) Josh Gordon
3) Duke Johnson
4) Myles Garrett
5) Denzel Ward
Ogbah is the honorable mention. Garrett's gonna get his and draw attention for it. Someone needs to be that second guy.
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QB (TT)
LT
Myles G
Ward
Peppers (+ MLB shoring up the middle)
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Tyrod Taylor
Myles Garrett
Jarvis Landry
Denzel Ward
Baker Mayfield
I understand the plan of starting Taylor and that he's the guy. In theory, him being on the list should preclude Mayfield from being on it as well...... but when is the last time a Browns QB started all 16 games? QB is by far the most important position on the team and injuries/ineffectiveness/impatience happen. Mayfield makes my list as well.
Garrett being on this list shouldn't need much explanation.
I chose Landry as the 'offensive weapon' because he's been so reliable throughout his career whereas someone like Gordon may be a beast but has really only had one great year in his career.
I was hesitant to put Ward on the list because it's a lot to ask of a rookie CB (or any position really) but when you take a CB #4 overall at least in part due to need.. well you kind of need him to deliver. Hope he's up for the task. The reason Kizer did not start all 16 games last year was not due to injury, it was due to how badly Kizer played. Unlike previous years, our QBs stayed healthy all year. It's ironic, after so many years of blaming poor performance on QB injury, 2017 must be blamed on poor QB play.
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yeah, let's remember last year: Kessler was HORRID, then Brock O was worse, then Kizer was worse, then Kessler was even more horrid, then Kizer was even worse, etc. It was just a nightmare.
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Myles Garrett
Emmanuel Ogbah
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My Cleveland 5, my quintet. Its been posted already but I'm going with:
Tyrod Taylor
Josh Gordon
Jarvis Landry
Myles Garrett
Denzel Ward
Three catalyst for the offense and two for the defense.
I wanted to name a impact player in the running game but as I thought about it, our incompetence in our passing game has really stopped us from having a balance offense. If the three offensive players get it going the running game will have room to flourish.
Garrett should be the most dangerous player in our front. That should give the whole D-line more opportunities to make plays. That should lead to some takeaways. Ward gives us a chance to hold down opposing teams' best receiving weapon.
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1. Taylor
2. Ward
3. Gordon
4. Landry
5. Ogbah
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If Taylor is imperative for a .5 season, then I guess we will never be a .5 team, in the sense that he has to manage the game,not carry the team.
1-Landry
1-Gordon
1-MG
2-Ward
2-Njoku
Taylor and Hyde are players who can help by playing to their standards, but cannot be expected to turn the franchise.
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If Taylor is imperative for a .5 season, then I guess we will never be a .5 team, in the sense that he has to manage the game,not carry the team. Is it necessary to carry the team to go .500? Immediate history suggests that you do not have to carry a team to reach .500. In 2017 only one team actually finished at .500, that was the Cardinals. Carson Palmer was under center for the first 7 weeks until he was injured. With him in the line up they went 3-4. After their bye Arizona went 5-4 with Drew Stanton and Blaine Gabbert, Fitzgerald threw one pass.
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To further illustrate my point,in the AFC, Buffalo, Baltimore, Tennessee and Oakland went 9-7. Cinci went 7-9. In the NFC Dallas, Detroit and Seattle all finished 9-7. Green Bay and Washington finished 7-9.
So two former Superbowl winners finished one game above .500. Two up and coming QBs, Mariota, Carr, plus Tyrod ( who for the sake of this thread I won't classify as "up and coming) finished above .500 and Kirk Cousin, now the league's first fully guaranteed contract player and Aaron Rogers arguably the best QB in the league finished below .500.
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Bro, what is your point? I'm not trying to be confrontational but it's been a long day of eating, swimming, and drinking. Rodgers was hurt most of the year. They weren't very good w/out him. What point are you trying to make?
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It's pretty simple really. Rastanplan says we're not likely to go .500 because of Taylor's deficiencies. I point out that multiple QB's that many consider better than Taylor also had results of about .500. So if he's less capable than these other QBs and they, including Talyor, were at or near .500 what prevents him from producing that result here? If as you suggests things like injury to Rogers matter then other team variables matter. If other team variables matter then team record is not exclusively on the QBs shoulders as his post suggests.
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It's pretty simple really. Rastanplan says we're not likely to go .500 because of Taylor's deficiencies. I point out that multiple QB's that many consider better than Taylor also had results of about .500. So if he's less capable than these other QBs and they, including Talyor, were at or near .500 what prevents him from producing that result here? If as you suggests things like injury to Rogers matter then other team variables matter. If other team variables matter then team record is not exclusively on the QBs shoulders as his post suggests.
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Anyone who put Gordon on their list of 5 players just jinxed us for the whole year.....Josh Gordon can't be counted on....it is sad our number one pick is infatuated with him, so is everyone else cuz he looks so good - hope is all we've got with that guy and he's returned our hope with UNAVAILABILITY. Because he isn't available- my 5 are Taylor, Garrett, Landry, Ward, and Njoku...we need to score points to win, thus 3 on O, 2 on D....GO Browns!!!
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Is that true...read the first page and it didn't sound like a suspension. Has it been confirmed. SEASON I didn't think included pre-season as long as he has no suspensions and is ready to go the first game...fine with me.
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Is that true...read the first page and it didn't sound like a suspension. Has it been confirmed. SEASON I didn't think included pre-season as long as he has no suspensions and is ready to go the first game...fine with me. Because meathead doesn't need to practice. He's above that. New offense, new teammates, new offensive coordinator but he'll be GREAT as a starter game one without any practice. Since practice and camp is so unimportant why have it? Send all the boys home and they can just show up game one against the Steelers refreshed and ready to play. Fine with me. *snicker*
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Whoever plays LT is gonna be pretty damn important
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I think I'll say "Whoever plays outside WR" instead of Gordon ... whether that's Coleman, Callaway, or Gordon himself
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 Man you've just been waiting for something to happen...lol  so you can do your woah is us BS...smh
As the news comes out this is nothing. He has failed nothing...He is getting his support mentally needed so he does not fall back. He will be practicing with the team just not at the beginning. Which is fine, gives the other QBs fighting for a spot more reps.
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I think I'll say "Whoever plays outside WR" instead of Gordon ... whether that's Coleman, Callaway, or Gordon himself
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I think I'll say "Whoever plays outside WR" instead of Gordon ... whether that's Coleman, Callaway, or Gordon himself well, that would be something
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Sure hope you're right....BUT I know I over reacted, the guy has all the talent in world, yet has SCREWED himself, us, etc because he's human and has addictions/plural. I hope he plays IF he knows the route tree, is a team player like his issued statement indicates, and can help the team. Bottomline, he can't be counted on because of his issues.....hoping for the best...GO Browns!!!!
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Tyrod
Whoever plays LT
Landry
Garrett
Ward
I would say JG, but it's questionable so. A lot of other notable mentions like RT, Kirksey, Chubb/Duke/Hyde combo and Njoku. All those guys can blossom and help us.
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hitt....Gordon makes our WR group into an NFL ELITE WR group.
But although I believe he is doing this right and is OK and will be a weapon for us. I do not count on him...he truly is UNACCOUNTABLE due to his history, he can relapse (although this is not a relapse) at anytime.
YOU DO NOT NEED AN ELITE WR GROUP to win a CHAMPIONSHIP!!!
You need 5 solid and possibly more in depth.
Without Gordon we got the 5.
Landry, Njoku, Duke, Devalve and Calloway (a rookie but he's got stud actually written all over him)
5 solid. With Coleman, Janis, Board, Ratley, Higgins and Louis as possible depth.
We have a good enough WR group to win a Championship.
QB and Defense is more important than trying to have an elite WR group.
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Tyrod Taylor
Myles Garrett
Jarvis Landry
Denzel Ward
Baker Mayfield
I understand the plan of starting Taylor and that he's the guy. In theory, him being on the list should preclude Mayfield from being on it as well...... but when is the last time a Browns QB started all 16 games? QB is by far the most important position on the team and injuries/ineffectiveness/impatience happen. Mayfield makes my list as well.
Garrett being on this list shouldn't need much explanation.
I chose Landry as the 'offensive weapon' because he's been so reliable throughout his career whereas someone like Gordon may be a beast but has really only had one great year in his career.
I was hesitant to put Ward on the list because it's a lot to ask of a rookie CB (or any position really) but when you take a CB #4 overall at least in part due to need.. well you kind of need him to deliver. Hope he's up for the task. I feel pretty good about this. https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pr...ne-in-clevelandBrowns’ rookie Denzel Ward piloting a ‘No Fly Zone’ in Cleveland
Thursday night was all about Baker Mayfield, but the man picked just three spots after the superstar signal-caller isn’t playing like an afterthought. Cleveland Browns rookie cornerback Denzel Ward, a local Ohio State product, is leading a revolution on the defensive side of the ball, turning the doormat that was the team’s secondary into a formidable unit – a No Fly Zone.
Matching Mayfield’s heroics stride for stride, Ward allowed New York Jets rookie quarterback Sam Darnold to complete just two-of-four targets for eight yards into his coverage in Thursday’s contest. He also logged four combined tackles and one defensive stop, all coming together to form his team-high 90.9 overall grade and 91.4 coverage grade.
Jets wide receiver Robby Anderson did beat Ward for a 17-yard gain in the game, but Ward’s tackle of tight end Chris Herndon eight yards behind the line of scrimmage bit back at his yards allowed and counted as his lone defensive stop on the night. Darnold’s other two targets into Ward’s coverage, which fell incomplete, were intended for wide receiver Jermaine Kearse and tight end Jordan Leggett.
Now three games, 202 defensive snaps into his NFL career, Ward has earned an overall grade of 81.9, which currently ranks eighth among cornerbacks, and a coverage grade of 86.3, which is good for sixth. He has allowed receptions on 15-of-21 targets for 130 yards, two touchdowns, and six first downs while logging two interceptions across 117 coverage snaps. He ranks 31st in passer rating allowed (79.6) and 22nd in yards allowed per reception (8.7).
Ward’s 81.9 overall grade ranks second on Cleveland’s defense coming off their win on Thursday night, as edge defender Myles Garrett (86.0) leads the team at first. Garrett’s and Genard Avery‘s play up front has played into Ward, and the rest of the Browns’ secondary in coverage, as Garrett (7) and Avery (6) have combined for 13 total pressures in three games. Also feeding off the attention drawn to the Browns’ edge tandem, second-year interior defensive lineman Larry Ogunjobi leads the team in total pressures with 11. Cleveland’s defense had just 18 pressures through Week 3 in 2017; three games into the 2018 season, the Browns have totaled a whopping 41 pressures.
Behind Ward, veterans T.J. Carrie and Terrance Mitchell, who were both signed as free agents this offseason, have not been disappointments either, as the duo has allowed just 182 receiving yards and one touchdown between them. Also, Mitchell came down with what went on to be the game-clinching interception against the Jets on Thursday. Factor in athletic third-year linebacker Joe Schobert, who has recorded an 84.3 coverage grade in three games, and the Browns’ ability to defend the pass – from pass-rush to coverage – is marching toward being one of the best in the league. Very impressive. Looks like Dorsey is getting us some players.
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