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Dave Rubin is a really skilled orator, but he kills me when he calls himself a former liberal. Maybe if he was alive in the 1830's his brand of classical liberalism, would barely be liberal in the 1820's.

I think it is fair to say that he is moving further right. Still, he believe in things the right would never touch. People just get pissed because he calls out leftist BS, which he should. He also calls out right-winged religious nut jobs, which he should.

Yeah it's hard to say completely where he lands as Cons have a hard time understanding that gay people or transgendered are human beings, detecting the same rights as other humans beings, to where it's now become a liberal/conservative issue. Issues regarding race are harder to classify as America is really the only country to really deal with past issues of racism.

Sarcasm?

No? That's not saying we are dealing with it well, but just that we've actually had to deal with it, unlike the Europeans.

I watched the First one and enjoyed it. They were pretty dismissive of the left, which I don't agree with because there are reasonable minds on the "radical left" too. I could sit and talk with these guys, I actually have a good friend that reminds me of Shapiro. He's a hardcore libertarian.

These are the kinds of conversations I wish we had in here. But since I'm radical left and despise all things Trump that will likely never happen.

BS. You have never listened to what Conservatives and Religious folks say so you have learned nothing.

You continue in ignorance, year after year.

Yep, I agree with 40 on this one. He loves him some Milo Yiannopoulos.

"He kinda lost me on the gay stuff, but when I heard him talk about Nazism, I thought to myself, now there's a man I can get behind."

Then I'm curious as to how you explain Rubin's own comments about how he receives standing ovations from conservatives when he speaks at conservative organized events (Turning Point USA). Or in a slightly broader context how many of the liberals part of the IDW have expressed similar experiences of being generally accepted and treated civilly by those from the Right? And these aren't the kind of people who sanitize or tone down their beliefs for the audience.

It just seems like such a stark contrast from the claim that Cons don't see certain people as human.

As for Rubin, I like the guy, I think he's really good at what he does. For as much as he claims to be a Classical Liberal (he does come down on the side of not baking cakes), I noticed he keeps dipping his toes in the extreme Libertarian model of things where "The market will sort it out" is the singular answer to all societal ills. He went round and round with Rogan about the need for regulations in the construction industry. Rubin kept saying the markets would purge the bad actor, and Rogan kept trying to explain to him that even with current regulations, you still have a problem with bad actors in construction.

For as much as I believe free markets with minimal regulation is the cure all (As a rough construct of an idea I believe that economic empowerment is the fastest way to achieve equality), the singular "the markets will sort it out" answer to everything shows me someone who is not a particularly serious person, at least politically.

I cant' wait for the discussions between Jordan Peterson and Sam Harris moderated by Brett Weinstein to come out that the just did last week or so.

PETERSON: (tearing up) It's the lack of individualism...(sobbing)...and the inclusion of homosexuality that is... excuse me, I'm sorry (wipes away tears) that is ruining Disney movies and causing young men not to clean their rooms

HARRIS: Logic and reason tell us that Islam is evil

Sarcasm? PDF fact? LINK!

The guy who yesterday asked for a "LINK!" proving that Kim Jong-Un is delusional, is now asking for a "LINK!" because he has trouble detecting sarcasm.

(Though to be fair, that does more or less sum up Harris & Peterson, so I can see the potential for error).

Yes, I question your Medical assessment of Kim. He is a brutal dictator, that is a fact but your medical assessment of delusional leaves folks to wonder about your qualifications to make such a diagnosis.

Again, nice change of subject.

I love Dave, been a longtime viewer of his channel since the days when he left The Young Turks. I too believe myself to be a classical liberal, I have a lot more liberal policy agreements than I do conservative. I grew up with the, "as long as you're not bothering me, do what you like" which WAS a liberal viewpoint, now it's Libertarian viewpoint aka Conservtard to leftist.

KIM JONG-UN: I shot an 18 in golf today. Another 18 straight hole-in-ones, can you believe it? Then I had my uncle shot in the head because he yawned. I am more powerful than the sun, the moon, and God

40: Can anyone show me proof that this man is delusional? Because, frankly, I'm not buying it

You continue to hijack thread after thread by posting false information which I feel needs to be replied to, only adding to your hijacking.

SHAME!

No more. I will keep my replies brief as everyone has already seen what you do.

I love that you've fallen so far into the MAGA rabbit hole that "Kim Jong-Un is delusional" has now been branded as "false information" that you "feel needs to be replied to".

Also, I wouldn't worry too much about "hijacking" a low-traffic thread about a failed stand-up comic who's been reduced to going on Joe Rogan podcasts and getting clowned for saying things like "we shouldn't have construction regulations, the free market will make builders build safe buildings".

Memphis took pride in starting this thread so just who the heck are you to poo poo his thread?

Do you need a safe space?

[quote}Yes, I question your Medical assessment of Kim. He is a brutal dictator, that is a fact but your medical assessment of delusional leaves folks to wonder about your qualifications to make such a diagnosis.
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You agree that Kim is a brutal dictator yet you are ok with Trump calling a good man? or was it "a decent guy" that he trusts.. Really?

You agree that Kim is a brutal dictator yet you are ok with Trump calling a good man? or was it "a decent guy" that he trusts.. Really? [/quote]

Not part of this thread but I will answer.

I understand Trump playing nice as he works to prevent Nukes from raining down on us and tries to prevent 10's of Millions of people in both N and S Korea from being killed in a war.

I'm not arguing UN isn't delusional, ok?

But, can you link to Un saying he shot an 18? I can't find it.

All I can find about golf in Korea is about his dad, Il - shooting a 34, with 5 holes in one, which later became 11 somehow. (and yes, we all know it's not real) - and he shot a 34 for the round. And again, we all know that's not true. (although 2 articles I just read said the round of 34 was scored in a 'relative to par' manner. I.e. a par was scored as a 0, a bogey as a 1, etc.

But, it's about Un's dad. I haven't found anything about Un golfing. Maybe I just missed it?

Well, that's entirely my point. Standing up for transgendered people and gay people is somehow a "liberal" position in today's world. Why is this today? Because "liberals" thought that trans people should exist and that gay people can marry. Or maybe it's because the Right has allowed corporations to practice their own religion, and start banning gay customers. Again, there is nothing left or right about thinking gay people should have equal rights. But here we are, making this a left vs. right issue. As a result, my comment was a complete joke about how sexual identity or sexual attraction is somehow a leftist issue, even though it has nothing to do with the economics or philosophy of socialists or communists.

Word on the street is that the IDW chases left wingers off of youtube. They flag their videos as hate speech and allows the youtube algorithm to ban their content. They did it to Three Arrows the other month. While I don't think that's primarily why the left doesn't have a good youtube market, it's part of the reason why.

I think we'd all be better if we read some Adam Smith, especially Conservatives who call themselves classical liberals.

"Classical liberal" is the easiest giveaway for "this really stupid guy sounds smart to to me".

You'll hear it anytime someone tries to prop up Dave Rubin or Jordan Peterson or whatever latest con artist YouTube hero is trying to feign being intellectual.

"Nukes from raining down on us"

I agree that those issues shouldn't be viewed as a right/left type of issue. But it's gotten that way as over the last 20yrs (at least) social issues had been pushed in to the realm of politics in order to seek resolution. Part of it is because in theory you can effect change much more rapidly than trying to build a social consensus and with the weight of Law behind you, you also have the threat of Force in order to gain compliance. The other part is there's a lot of political power to be gained via the exploitation of disenfranchised groups. One of the criticisms of the Trump era and I'll even add the warhawks post 9/11 was that they continually played up this spectre of danger, a boogey man that could gt us at any time. Basically using fear as a political tool.

Well, when you peel back just a little bit, pick any "social justice" related issue, you'll see the rhetoric of fear aimed at the people they claim to protect.

Unfortunately making anything and everything a political issue is automatic.

As far as the IDW chasing left wingers off, I'm not familiar with what you are referencing to be honest. The IDW to my knowledge is made up of particular personalities, not the actual movement, r following for lack of a better term. For example I've been hitting the IDW podcasts fairly regularly, but I wouldn't consider myself a member of the IDW (at least not until I end up on Rubin or Rogan and stumble on to saying something seemingly profound lol).

YouTube is simply a mess. I know last year or so Conservative content creators were running in to the same issues. I think it may have been the what ultimately led up to all this demonetizing that's running rampant. T be honest I'm not too familiar with the whole concept of demonetization, but I do know it's bled over in to some of the non-political content I follow.

Man, if we collectively can get the practice of civil discourse back as a part of standard operating procedure, I think it would be awesome to go back and re-constitute the philosophical, ideological, and legal debated of the Founders. I think there's a lot there that could hep restore a level of sanity to the national consciousness, I think there are a lot of answers for today's issues beneath the dust.

"I'm a classical liberal now. But I'm not too proud to say that I would've been an ultraroyalist during revolutionary France. Yep, I would've totally seen the scaffold. That's the problem with men today, they have no conviction."

Oh yeah, politically it's gone further back than 20+ years. I still think of Oscar Wilde being put in a hard labor camp at the age of 50 because he was gay. This is a cultural war that's been going on for centuries, for it to get caught up in the left vs. right debate is dumb as history has shown us. Shep Smith, Milo, Rubin and others are wildly accepted and celebrated in the right wing community. I hope that we're finally getting over the hump of the majority of it. It seems like the Trans community is pretty much the last thing to get past.

I also think they aren't getting involved in politics, but have been entrenched in politics for their entire life. Their life has become politicized, their actions have been punishable by crime, or not protected under the law. I do not think sodomy laws were the worst thing to come from the legislation for gay people. I think not offering them marriage, and the benefits of marriage, was completely abhorrent. You used to hear stories of a gay couple being together for 60+ years, who were never allowed to wed, and when one of them died the other could not continue to receive their benefits. When you saw their eventual pushback, politically, I don't believe it was because they wanted to persecute others, but because they were seeking liberation from persecution. Similar to black people in the 1800's, whether or not they were political, their existence was political.

I'm not exactly sure what SJWs or concepts your referring to, but I don't doubt it. I think my biggest problem with SJWs is how quick they want to ban and restrict things like speech. That's the biggest red flag in my mind.

Well, my problem with not knowing how to classify the IDW, because as much as I don't want to say it, part of it, I don't know how much, which is why I'm reluctant to say, is the alt-right. I don't know where those boundaries are. I don't want to call their entire audience alt-right, because I know they aren't. I even get the draw of these guys for modern man.

Yeah, youtube took the axe to everyone in terms of ad revenue. It was funny to watch them freak out that it was a political thing, when Gen Z youtube stars, were freaking out about if they could still afford LA. The Youtube shooter shot up the office because of the demonetization, she was a vegan leftist.

I would love to do this, but def not in the PP forum. It'd have to go into the general discussion. I also wouldn't know where to start. Plato? Kant? Adam Smith?

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Governor John Kasich: 2016 Craziness to 2020 Prospects (Full Interview)

Good interview, but one of my problems with Rubin is that he doesn't know his guest enough to challenge them. Kasich joined a National Weed Company's Board of Directors, but says he only wants medical marijuana? Why not ask more about that?

Kasich is great as always. He is my Republican crush.

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