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Boogie in GS? Ha ha ha...what's the point? This makes me feel even better about winning in 2016.

Imagine if Lebron had stayed and then this news hit. We could have added Rajon Rondo, they add Boogie. Unreal.

I dont believe in tanking.

Because if we have a tanked young team, no all star will want to come here.

No all-star is going to want to come here anyway. We're going to have to take the Golden State/Boston/Philly model of building things up unfortunately.

I absolutely think Dan is happy that LeBron came back and won a championship for him and for Cleveland. To think otherwise is asinine.

The question is - what does Dan feel that LBJ owes him? What do fans feel LBJ owes them .... personally I am happy that he came back and happy he won us a championship. I hated the way he left to go to Miami - but that was just a bad error of judgement. One of the GOAT doesn't owe the city or the fans a damn thing.

Bron doesn't owe us anything.

His mission was to get us a ring.

He spent 11 seasons trying to accomplish this mission.

That's a lot of seasons. That's the majority of his career.

Finally it happened.

Go do what ya want Bron.

Sure, we'll always wish you stayed with us.

But we have our Title. That's what matters. <3

Doesn't mean I'll root for you in LA. (haha)

All-Stars are not coming to Cleveland. That's precisely why teams like the Cavs need to tank.

Once we get pieces in place, they will leave to go join super teams.

Exactly. Have to hope this Sexton kid pans out and a couple of our next lottery picks (which we should have) will turn out to be legit superstars, then once you have that for a couple years... then either they will leave or they will attract other superstars here... it's one or the other...

RIP Lakers bandwagon.
7/1/2018 - 7/2/2018

Well ....

Boogie to GS is just ridiculous. I know Lebron was after him to join him in LA, but that didn't happen.

I think that GS win another, barring major injuries.

I suspect that the Cavaliers will trade Love, and any other player with a big contract. I wonder if we stretch Smith. Maybe we find a team that needs a shooter willing to take a chance on him on (essentially) a one year deal. We'll see. He's at $14 million, but his 2019-2020 is non guaranteed.

While maybe no tanking, it makes sense for the Cavaliers to make sure they stay in the 1-10 draft slot, so they don't lose their 1st round pick.in 2019 or 2020. It's a lot more tolerable to give up a 2nd in the Korver trade.

Korver and Love might have some trade value. I doubt that Hill does, at least not with his contract, although he is in the final year of his deal. (2019-2020 is non-guaranteed). Thompson is the other bad contract, but I can't see a big market for him. He is a decent player for the Cavaliers, so maybe he stays.

I see the guys who are likely to come back as:

Clarkson
Hill
Hood
Nance
Osman
Sexton
Thompson
Zizic

We'll see what happens with Preston.

That's a lottery team.

There was talk that the Cavaliers want to re-sign Green, but I just can't see it.

Next year will be very, very different.

So Paul George didn't want to go to LA because LeBron gets all of the attention.. now he's in OKC, Bron is in LA.. and both are first or second round outs in the playoffs more than likely.

Who knows, together they might have been clearly the 3rd best team in the west at least..

Nobody is going to touch GSW this year.. they might not win the most games in the regular season because, like last year, they realized that's not all that important as Houston went out and gave 100% and GSW rested Curry about 3 weeks longer than they needed to because they didn't care about the regular season..

The only thing that could derail GSW next year is injuries..

The Lakers signed Lance Stephenson? I guess we will see if all that bad blood between him and LeBron is real or if that was a little more "manufactured"... they have Rondo too.. then of course you have Lonzo (and his dad)...

That entire roster could implode quickly..

GSW was almost out against Houston, and Houston was a better team, just like the Celtics were better than the Cavs.

GSW has lots of problems in the locker room.... and by the way, Curry was a non-factor this last two titles...

Interesting take.

One would think that with 5 starters, the draft would be a quick way to being good. That isn't to say going the FA route is bad, and I can agree with you.

In football you have 22 starters and teams want to build through the draft. IN BB you have 5 starters and you want to build with free agents. Seems it should be the opposite.

When I say you, I don't mean you. I am talking more about teams and team GM's.

Short version: teams can go over the cap when re-signing their own players (Bird rights) and there are also various exceptions for free agency.

Long version: How much time do you have? Enjoy. http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm

Don't worry if you don't want to read that mess. Very few fans, and surprisingly few NBA media types know the rules either.

What the heck are the Lakers doing? Their free agency has underwhelmed (after signing Lebron, of course). He's at his best when surrounded by shooters. Maybe they have other deals lined up but right now it just looks like they have no idea what they're doing.

Dynasties are only fun when they're rare. These orchestrated super-team "dynasties" aren't the same thing. If GS more or less stayed put with their core and developed them from there into a super-team, that would be a little different. But they won a gajillion games, and then went out and signed the 2nd best player in the league to an already stacked team.

Wow, apparently, according to Mark Stein, the reason Boogie went to GSW is because nobody else gave him an offer. "Zero offers" was the quote he gave. Then again, maybe he was asking everyone for a max deal, and everyone balked because he's coming off an Achilles injury, but still.

I honestly think Lebron will have a tougher time attracting younger guys to play with him ... he's older, it's clearly all about him, and maybe the chance to get to the finals (or win) just isn't there anymore.

Maybe he couldn't attract guys to come to Cleveland because of him, not because of Cleveland.

I think because if you look at the roster he left compared to the roster he's on, not a single thing makes an up and coming or established player believe its a better situation or that Lebron has proven he can beat GSW yet...so now you move to a harder conference with much better competition and who's to say you even get to the second round... This can't be about basketball at all...He's there for life after bball. IF he was about bball with the move, I would think that he would have had other stars lined up ala miami in 2010

No doubt that plays a part. Kyrie left because he didn't want to be 2nd to James.

Man, that's great!

There have been reports out there recently (and at the end of his time in Miami) of "Lebron fatigue". Others here have tried to nail it down with various explanations, like getting barked at for miscues on the court, preferential treatment on and off the court for Lebron and his crew, etc.

Yeah, Chris Bosh said this 5 years ago ... and that was when Lebron was still "young"

NBA draftees are getting better and better every year. I think that we could turn this team around with 4 top 5 picks in the next 4 years. I mean, LaMelo has been a better player than Lonzo for years. Lavar will even tell you. American Basketball might rival European Soccer when it comes to development. The best players play year around in either HS or AAU ball while being constantly trained by professionals. Basketball players are only becoming more skilled. All of the 4 & 5's who were drafted in the top 10 this year all were working hard on their 3 point game. The stretch big and playmaking wing will become the norms of the NBA soon instead of the exceptions.

BTW, if you look at the top recruits over the next year (and previous years), most of them are either sons of NBA players or nephews of NBA players. So far, it looks like kids of NBA players are pretty damn good.

good point CHS ... the AAU game has made players BETTER individually. Skill level, shooting ability, athleticism, etc. are at an all time high.

there are also some major drawbacks to the AAU culture: selfish attitudes, super teams, and lack of competitiveness.

So GSW might only four or five peat before they blow it up ?

By then, Lebron will have opted out of his Laker deal and signed with them for a vet minimum.

It's gonna be classic when LBJ and Balls old man get into it!

but he can't opt out until what? after year 3?

Back in the day I used to have this exact same argument with Yankee fans..

they would always want to point out that 4 or 5 of the best players on the Yankees were homegrown, that it wasn't all about buying the best talent.. so why did I hate them... so I would point out 2 things at the time...

1. The Yankees had by far the biggest payroll in baseball. They didn't have to make the same decisions other teams did, at no point did they ever have to look at 2 or 3 rising stars and think, "We can only afford to keep one".. they kept all of them and paid all of them.. one of the big things that made them different than almost every other team.

2. Once they had a stacked line-up, then they would go out and add one or two pieces from the cream of the crop free agents or at the trade deadline.. literally, nobody else could afford to do that.

I always respected the Yankees organization because for a long time they did draft and develop talent very well.... they would have been very good anyway.... it's what they were able to do above and beyond that with all of their money that caused people to hate them.

in my opinion, this decision had many different driving forces:

1. Lebron's ego to be the King in LA
2. Lebron's future movie/production career
3. Lebron Jr's high school athletic career
4. The NBA's desire to have the Lakers be relevant
5. Nike's financial motives
6. Lebron's disconnect with Dan Gilbert
7. Lebron's wife wanting to live in LA permanently
8. Lebron's realization that the Cavs' roster will never be better
9. The media's desire to have the Lakers be relevant
10. The opportunity to attract other NBA stars

I acknowledge that what I'm about to say could be turned on its head with a single ESPN tweet... but when are we going to start scrutinizing this popular argument? So far, Lebron and/or LA doesn't appear to be this unstoppable superstar magnet people are making them out to be. Look who they have brought in so far. Look who they have missed out on during this FA period. Who else is left out of this FA pool? Can't count Kawhi, he's not a FA.

I think you're absolutely correct. I think Lebron's ability to pull in Free Agents is drastically over-rated. Throughout his entire career, who exactly has he recruited? Bosh and Wade were both in Miami when he decided to join. I guess Ray Allen joined after the fact, but how much of that was due to Lebron as opposed to Miami just being an easy ticket to the Finals? In Cleveland, he never really recruited anybody, outside of guys way past their prime like Mike Miller and James Jones. LA is in the same boat, like you mentioned. Lebron is the first big Free Agent they've landed since Dwight Howard. Everyone else was "supposed" to sign there, and ultimately didn't.

j/c:

It's definitely time to tank. Lebron, Calderon, Green are all gone. Trade Love, Korver, etc. Hell, just cut Thompson and move on.

We can't lose that top 10 protected pick. We'll need it.

Nah, Keep Thompson and tell him to be a stretch 5. That should assure us a top 10.

Just let Ty Lue do his thing and rest assured we will get one of the first picks.

Of course the downside is all the media idiots that will say, "See! Look how bad the Cavs are without Lebron!" Even if we have like 2 players remaining from the roster where Lebron played.

That's probably why we've kept him. I just hope it doesn't stunt Sexton's growth.