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Quinn experiencing a little of everything
Zac Jackson, Staff Writer
08.09.2007
An insider evaluation of Brady Quinn's first two days of NFL training camp practice might look like this.

Plenty to learn. Plenty of arm. Pretty good, though far from perfect, with his accuracy. Needs a lot of work -- on his singing.

The newest rookie in camp took his shot at the time-honored NFL ritual of serenading his teammates on his first full day Wednesday. Quinn chose "Walking in Memphis" as his tune, even taking time to scribble the lyrics in a notebook so he wouldn't stumble.

He was booed out of the cafeteria.

Quinn then resorted to a more familiar hymn, the Notre Dame fight song, though that drew another round of boos.

"I have a horrible singing voice," Quinn said. "With the fight song, we have a few haters -- some USC guys, some Michigan guys -- and it didn't go over well."

Quinn took it in stride though, knowing the ribbing comes with being a rookie -- especially one who missed the first 12 days of camp.

"Everyone is busting my chops right now," he said. "It's coming from all angles -- the coaches, Bernie (Kosar), the older guys. It's coming from everywhere."

Kosar was at practice Thursday in preparation for the color commentary work he'll do for the broadcast of Saturday's preseason opener. He and Quinn spoke before practice, and Quinn -- who grew up rooting for the Browns -- is certainly aware that Kosar was once a promising young quarterback who helped the Browns turn things around.

"You'd like to come in and turn things around quickly," Quinn said. "But again, you have to wait your time. You have to wait for your time to get in there to go ahead, perform and excel."

Quinn doesn't really have time to think more than a few minutes ahead. In addition to practice and a daily set of meetings, he's been watching film of every practice he missed (he's up to August 2nd) as well as picking the brains of the Browns' other quarterbacks, especially Ken Dorsey.

"All the guys have been great," he said. "We have a great group. They've been extremely helpful with me

"Ken is the first quarterback I met after the draft. Just talking with him, we kind of hit it off having a rapport and he's been a big mentor to me, helping me to understand things and giving me his thoughts or his take. As a player it is always a little different when a coach is telling you than from a player

"We stay in late, we'll come in early. I'll call him and ask him something even though we're one room away in the hotel -- I think he's across the hall -- I'll just call his cell phone and ask him."

After missing 16 practices before he signed, Quinn's first work came in the Browns' closed practice session Wednesday. Rain and storms forced the Browns inside and kept the public away from Quinn again Thursday.

Fans can get at least a glimpse of Quinn Saturday night at Cleveland Browns Stadium, but coach Romeo Crennel said he still believes Quinn might only be ready for "two plays" of game action.

Quinn said he hopes his chance comes, but he'll understand if it doesn't. In the meantime, he can be found in the quarterbacks room cramming, watching film and learning from his mistakes. Crennel said he was the first player on the practice field Wednesday; he was one of the last to leave Thursday after taking some extra reps with receivers Braylon Edwards and Maurice Mann.

His reps during Thursday's practice came mostly with the scout team, reading off a card and trying to give the Browns defense some looks they'll see from Kansas City Saturday. They all count for Quinn, though, and he said he expects to continue to feel more comfortable with each day, each practice.

"I think more than anything else that when you get out on the field you have to kind of try and find your flow, how things are moving, how things are going out there," Quinn said. "Again, this is a different speed. And even OTAs, to minicamp, to now, it is even faster. Guys turn it on an extra notch."

I'm curious to see him in the coming days/weeks of training camp and preseason.

That Mary Kay article from today that's posted somewhere around here made my eyes pop, he threw 5 INT's the first two or 3 days of OTA's but then for the remaining 17 sessions he only threw one.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp07/news/story?id=2967876

Quinn concedes he's rusty after two-hour practice
By Len Pasquarelli
ESPN.com
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Updated: August 9, 2007, 6:32 PM ET
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BEREA, Ohio -- In assessing his performance in the second practice of his career and the initial workout in front of the scrutinizing eyes of the local media, Cleveland Browns quarterback Brady Quinn was much more on-target than he was with most of his pass attempts in the Thursday afternoon two-hour session.


"You're seeing a guy who hasn't been in camp for 2

Oh man, I forgot about Kosar doing the preseason games. He always sounds drunk on air.

I get the feeling that Quinn is one of those slow starters who really turns the corner once the light goes on.

I've known a lot of people like that and to an extent, I'm one of those people myself.

Sometimes you're going along and things are overwhelming, then you wake up one day and it all just clicks. You can begin to break things down into pieces instead of seeing them as some garbled whole.

I have a feeling we will be very happy with him in about a year or so.

...but we know that Bernie is NOT drunk.
I like him doing the games. He's very insightfull about the play of the game at hand. I will never forget last year when he said "This play has zero chance of success." just as the team was lining up. Sure enough, the run up the gut was stuffed for no gain, perhaps a loss.
He's no dope up there in the booth.

How fast do they really want to move this kid through the whole process?

Take the time to learn absorbing all you can from whatever sources you have
and practice "perfectly" in order to climb.

Certainly Quinn is not a guarantee, (who is?) but with our investment in him we need to really make sure he's prepared to succeed. Why ruin another high pick QB by rushing him onto the field and ultimately needing to use another high pick in a year or two for another "project".

RAC,, just bring him along.. Hopefully out of the guys we have, there is at least one that can get the job done...If we're lucky, we'll have two.

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Quinn ‘sings’ way to workout
Friday, August 10, 2007
By Steve Doerschuk
Repository sports writer

BEREA Brady Quinn butchered “Walking in Memphis” during the first leg of his post-holdout rookie hazing.

Whereas Elvis has permanently left the building, Quinn is in for the long haul.

After a 12-day holdout, the 22-year-old quarterback was forced to entertain the team.

“I have a horrible singing voice,” he said.

The worse the merrier in these sessions.

Quinn’s nod to Memphis, more monotonal mumble than music, drew an interception-quality boo.

His next selection was Notre Dame’s fight song.

“We obviously have a few haters in there. Some USC guys. Some Michigan guys,” Quinn said. “That didn’t go over well.”

It’s unclear whether fans were ready to cheer Quinn, but they were dying to see him.

Team officials said there were indications Thursday’s practice — Quinn’s first that was supposed to be open to the public — would have drawn a record training camp crowd.

It was a rainy day, though, and practice was moved indoors. When that happens, attendants head off fans at the gates, saying the session is closed.

Head Coach Romeo Crennel said it wasn’t worth risking more injuries (see Browns Report) to practice outside.

At times, it seemed obvious the team was giving Quinn extra work to catch him up, even though it meant guys were standing around more than usual.

Quinn might play briefly late in Saturday’s preseason opener against the Chiefs, Crennel said. The coach said he’ll flip a coin to determine whether Charlie Frye or Derek Anderson starts. Those two will split time in the first half, with both getting at least one series with the Nos. 1 and 2 offenses.

Crennel indicated Ken Dorsey will play most of the second half.

Quinn “kind of” rationalized away some of the damage of his 12-day holdout. He missed major phases of installing a new offense.

“It’s actually funny,” Quinn said, “because everything you kind of put in gets, not necessarily thrown out, but you kind of focus on what you kind of want to do to attack this next defense. Everything is kind of cut down, and it is probably actually a little easier to jump in at this time of camp than earlier or on time.”

Both Frye and Anderson looked crisp Thursday.

“Coach let us take the pads off today,” Frye said. “Guys showed they could practice hard with just helmets on. That will help us throughout the season if we can continue to do that.”

Quinn didn’t make a strong impression one way or the other. He did seem rather confident.

“I’ve never felt stronger or better coming into something,” he said. “Everything feels alive.”

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At times, it seemed obvious the team was giving Quinn extra work to catch him up, even though it meant guys were standing around more than usual.

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So now we have guys standing around while BQ is caught up to speed?

Practice time is limited as it is, and we need the players that have been in camp the entire time, the players that will be attempting to execute these plays in less than 30 days to be getting their reps.

My apologies for breaking these up, but the board keeps timing out on me even though they aren't lengthy posts.........anyway....

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What the hell......

Try again:

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€œIt’s actually funny,” Quinn said, “because everything you kind of put in gets, not necessarily thrown out, but you kind of focus on what you kind of want to do to attack this next defense. Everything is kind of cut down, and it is probably actually a little easier to jump in at this time of camp than earlier or on time.

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It's not funny Brady......and I don't see how it could possibly be easier.

Reps.....the more time and the more reps ya get the better off ya are.



And now the crazy characters are there in the article, which they weren't when I first posted it.........arrrrgggggghhhhhhhh

A coupla things stood out to me.
Bernie doing doing the broadcast.I enjoy listening to him,he's way too honest to ever be a big time announcer.That's probably why I like him.
And this;
"as well as picking the brains of the Browns' other quarterbacks, especially Ken Dorsey."
That's why Dorsey will make the team as the 3rd QB.

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That's why Dorsey will make the team as the 3rd QB.

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Or the Browns will just hire him on as a QB coach Asst. or some fancy title, Dorsey had expressed before coming to cleveland intrest in going back into coaching if the trade to cleveland didnt work out. Maybe he see's a oppurtunity to jump start his next career

Clay,I don't know if Dorsey would be willing to do that,but I've mentioned that before and think it's a great idea.

Camp tour: How long until Browns' Quinn starts?
August 10, 2007
Steve Greenberg
sportingnews.com


BEREA, Ohio -- Jim Brown was in the house. Bernie Kosar came to get a look. Outside, it was storming, but in the Browns' indoor practice facility, it was all about the cloudless skies ahead for Brady Quinn.


In the Browns' first open practice since their quarterback of the future ended his holdout Tuesday night, Quinn missed receivers left, right, high and higher. He threw the ball too hard, clearly unable to relax. He's nowhere near ready to play in a game -- Romeo Crennel plans to play Quinn for one series, at most, in the preseason opener Saturday against the Chiefs -- but in one sense, it just doesn't matter.

Whether it happens in four weeks or in three months, Brady Quinn will be the Browns' starter.

"People are excited," says the Hall-of-Famer Brown, "and we don't want to lose this excitement because this kid is the future. He's going to be great for the city."

Meanwhile, if Quinn's teammates and coaches are angry with him for holding out 11 days, it doesn't appear to be a big issue. "I'll call him Brady now," says Crennel, who referred to him only as "the quarterback" until Quinn signed.

HOT TOPIC

Somebody has to take the snaps until Quinn is ready to start, but will it be Charlie Frye or Derek Anderson?

There's a buzz around training camp that general manager Phil Savage likes Anderson more than Crennel does, and that might tip the scales ever so slightly in favor of Frye, last year's primary starter. Crennel, however, won't publicly give Frye any edge whatsoever, leaving this as perhaps the most unpredictable quarterback battle in the NFL.

Anderson clearly has the stronger arm -- I think it's stronger than Quinn's, too -- but Frye made better decisions in games last season.

I like Anderson's competitiveness. Most quarterbacks who are long shots get conservative in camp; Anderson has brought out the big gun in both the shots he's taking downfield and the attitude he's bringing to this alleged competition between himself, Frye and Quinn.

Does Anderson think it's pre-ordained that Quinn will get the job at some point this season? "No way," he says.

Does he think he'll be the starter when the Browns open the regular season at home Sept. 9 against the Steelers? "Oh, yeah," he says.

I think he's wrong, but so what?

Prediction: Frye or Anderson will be released or traded before the end of camp. Why? Because Quinn has developed a strong bond with Ken Dorsey, the fourth quarterback on the camp roster. I can see the Browns picking their starter, holding back Quinn until he's ready and keeping Dorsey around as a mentor.

PLAYER ON THE SPOT

Third-year wide receiver Braylon Edwards has to get it in gear. Watching him in one practice is all it takes to realize he's one of the most gifted players in the league, which only makes his 61-catch, six-touchdown 2006 season that much less impressive. Yeah, the Browns' offensive line was terrible, their quarterback play was disappointing, and they had a ton of injuries. Even considering those factors, Edwards was merely so-so.

Edwards, who was picked No. 3 overall in 2005, has dropped passes throughout this year's camp -- an absolutely awful sign and the last thing Frye, Anderson and Quinn need. The Browns desperately need a star to step forward, and it's foolish to think Quinn will be that guy as a rookie.

PLAYER ON THE RISE

It's not official, but veterans Kenny Wright and Daven Holly are pretty much battling with rookie Eric Wright for the starting right cornerback job. Fifth-year pro Leigh Bodden has put the clamps on the left cornerback job. Bodden, who missed almost half of last season because of ankle injuries, is the only player of the four who was an undrafted free agent, but Crennel loves his speed and steadiness.

FREE-AGENT FOCUS

Jim Brown says running back Jamal Lewis "looks good, looks quick," and I'm not about to argue with the best ever. Lewis reported to camp at 239 pounds; the Browns wanted him no higher than 240, so they were happy.

The former All-Pro is pleased with new coordinator Rob Chudzinski's offense, which uses lots of formations to confuse defenses and is designed to attack mismatches wherever they exist -- even in the running game.

That's very different from what Lewis grew accustomed to in Baltimore, where he felt little was done to discourage defenses from putting eight men in the box and, basically, kicking his behind. "This offense has a lot more going on," Lewis says. "It's not as simple as it was in Baltimore, where it was pretty much plain Jane."

Eric Steinbach and Seth McKinney were brought in as starters to block for Lewis and, eventually, to protect Quinn -- very wise investments on the part of the Browns, whose O-line was ... well, I already said it was terrible. Steinbach is out with a sprained knee, but he should be back in action by the third preseason game.

I may end up being wrong here, but I don't think that there is as much of a competition as everyone seems to think.

I really believe that Frye will start the season, Anderson will be cut or traded, Quinn will be the primary back up and Dorsey will be the 3rd guy in the mix.

As to how long Frye is the starter,, who knows,, maybe a week, maybe 8 weeks, maybe all year. I have no idea. On that, I think it's safe to say neither does RAC or Savage.

I really believe that when he's ready, they'll play Quinn.. That is unless Charlie is lighting it up.. In that case, you don't mess with what works.

All of the above is JMO!

This is a little scary, but...I pretty much agree with that whole post.

Just as you stated though Daman, it's just my hunch/opinion and nothing more than that.

I'm sure that makes you feel better doesn't it Daman, that I agree with you

I am with you 100%, I think Savage is crossing his fingers Anderson looks good enough against the Chiefs that his trade value rises, but poor enough relative to Charlie that the fanbase supports the trade. Any team that wants to trade for a QB wants him soon so he can get acclimated to their system.

Well Damon,as much as I like to disagree,I can't disagree with your opinion here.

It is scary that you agree with me,,, Now I'm really thinking of changing my opinoin,,,,,,

Yea, it really is just an opinion and I really don't have anything that can back it up,, NOTHING at all.

But this is how I have arrived at this conclusion (feel free to just shoot me).

I get the feeling that this whole idea of a Frye/Anderson competition is a hoax to get Frye working harder. He seems to respond to adversity so why not give him some.. Real or imagined, the effect is the same right.

As for why I feel Dorsey will stay, well, look at everything that Quinn says about him being a good mentor. Now think back to everything we've heard over the years about Dorsey being smart.. Couple that with his knowledge of Chud and it's an easy conclusion to come to. Doesn't make it real or right, but easy to believe as being possible.

So, if I'm right about all of that, then yeah, Frye starts, Dorsey is probably 2nd for a while with Quinn bringing up the rear but growing into the starters role at some point in time.

Fairly easy conclusions,, but in no way are they gospel.. I could and may end up being totally wrong.. wouldn't be the first time either

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Quinn has developed a strong bond with Ken Dorsey, the fourth quarterback on the camp roster. I can see the Browns picking their starter, holding back Quinn until he's ready and keeping Dorsey around as a mentor.

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How young are the Browns at QB?...

The QB mentor is entering his 5th year in the NFL.

I'm not so sure it's best for the Browns to keep Dorsey around just because he has a relationship with Quinn.

Dorsey must be able to perform in addition to helping the other QBs.

If Anderson or Frye were dealt to another team it would move Quinn up the depth chart to #2 (likely) and eliminate some of his competition.

My main concern would be getting something in return for the odd man out.

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My main concern would be getting something in return for the odd man out.

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I'm sorry, I apologize in advance BUT:

It's none of your business what the Browns get in trade for the odd man out!



I just couldn't resist... to all other posters,, I'm sorry

Damon.....

oh no he didnt

That's harsh man.....just plan harsh.....

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Don't apologize. Mac brought this on himself.

Good stuff!!

Yep.....good stuff.

5 posts in a row that have diddly to do with football.

7....now......

Or you could chill out and let your blood pressure drop a little.

Last time I checked if you didn't like the content you're free to move along to another more palatable option. Perhaps you should consider that option. Either that or re-apply for your Refs job and close as many threads as your little heart desires. JMHO

Or people could talk football realizing it is a message board and not a chat room....has nothing to do with me being a mod, my blood pressure, or anything of the sort.

If a guy doesn't practice well, what measuring stick is used to determine he gets in games??